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Poque posted:I love how terrible Dan is. "I'm sorry I made you feel like poo poo, but let's be honest, you are poo poo" lol, the dude couldn't be more perfect of a goat if he had horns and hooves. I think he'd be constitutionally incapable of getting through final tribal and all the jury's questions without blowing up and pissing people off even more.
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Met posted:...and his voice. This is me, with Jenn  savinhill posted:lol, the dude couldn't be more perfect of a goat if he had horns and hooves. I think he'd be constitutionally incapable of getting through final tribal and all the jury's questions without blowing up and pissing people off even more. Well, he's already got the beard.
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Mar 20, 2015 22:29
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Dan reminds me of the 47 year-old man who used to play D&D with me and my (in our 20's) college friends. He would constantly pull that "I've been around more years than you, so I know how to talk to the ladies...." and we would all share the same glance while none of us had the heart to point out that he was still single in his late 40's.
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Listening to Lindsey's exit interview on RHAP she sticks up for Dan. Says he's a "gentleman, great husband, and great guy" and that she thinks he's just insecure and is always playing to the camera and trying to fit in, so around Rodney and Mike he just started feeding into the anti-woman stuff for the cameras and the guys. The heart of her whole interview is basically "Yeah, I should have kept my mouth shut but that's not me and at least I went home without anything I had to explain to my family because i was just me." Dan, she says, was a completely different person to be around than what she and her family are seeing on TV. Says he was annoying but overall really a pleasant and nice guy who actually helped make life around camp easier and more pleasant. She just thinks he's doing it all for the cameras and its exactly what she didn't want to have to do, to have to explain to her family why she was acting like someone else on TV. Overall she came off really pleasant, kind of self aware, and reasonable. I think if she hadn't been on a small tribe with Rodney and Mike she might have survived a lot longer. Then again someone like Max, Vince, Sirin, or Joaquin might have pissed her off and made her blow so who knows? The Max interview was less enjoyable. Rob always likes these "know it all" players and sticked up a lot for him so he pretty much let Max just give a Survivor 101 lecture justifying his game. - Max claims he knew he was going home by watching "the number of pen strokes Carolyn made voting." - Says he didn't really pick up on Carolyn's disdain because she has "RBF". Says Carolyn didn't trust him because she "didn't understand" him using her as a pawn in the first vote. - Says he played low key on the merged tribe and let Sirin take the wheel because as the tall, white, male he didn't want to "be the man ordering everyone around." - Doesn't know if the naked stuff actually bothered anyone because he never got anything but "chuckles." Also claims the nudity thing started because he was "taking an aquadump" and when he got out of the water the producers asked him to do it again so they could get a helicopter shot. So then he decided to play up the nude thing to play to the producers and camera time. - Does basically admit that he's arrogant and when the producers ask him to do something for the camera or gave Jeff a long, eloquent answer, or made a snarky comment to the other tribes he was loving up his game by trying to get camera time. Despite that he basically tries to defend that he wasn't "a screentime whore" but was just having fun. - He ends up going on a bunch of shalinguaa=s so Rob runs out of time before he can get to all his questions. - Then he asks Rob if this was a "1" in his interviews. I don't like Max.
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Mar 21, 2015 01:34
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Yeah Max is terrible. I was really surprised at how much I dislike him, and like you were saying his exit interview with Rob was really annoying. One thing I like a lot about this season is how people who are playing up for the camera are blatantly getting called out in the edit.
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Mar 21, 2015 01:53
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STAC Goat posted:Listening to Lindsey's exit interview on RHAP she sticks up for Dan. Says he's a "gentleman, great husband, and great guy" and that she thinks he's just insecure and is always playing to the camera and trying to fit in, so around Rodney and Mike he just started feeding into the anti-woman stuff for the cameras and the guys. The heart of her whole interview is basically "Yeah, I should have kept my mouth shut but that's not me and at least I went home without anything I had to explain to my family because i was just me." Dan, she says, was a completely different person to be around than what she and her family are seeing on TV. Says he was annoying but overall really a pleasant and nice guy who actually helped make life around camp easier and more pleasant. She just thinks he's doing it all for the cameras and its exactly what she didn't want to have to do, to have to explain to her family why she was acting like someone else on TV. Eh. Every early exit interview feels like it's just a bunch of excuses and a revision of events to make it seem like they were doing better than they were. I was rolling my eyes at Lindsey doing the same thing. That being said, he did wear on me and I'm pleased to be getting a break from him for the rest of the season.
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Mar 21, 2015 03:31
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See that's my read on Dan and why I have been defending him. He just seems to be a dork that's trying really hard but is also a bit clueless. I know a million people like that, whereas a lot of people on reality TV are kind of cartoon characters. I'm having the most total fun watching Jenn, though. I imagine most of it is being saved for talks with the producers since otherwise people would probably dislike her already but the harsh-but-true way she's approaching things so far is entertaining.
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Mar 21, 2015 03:51
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Met posted:Eh. Every early exit interview feels like it's just a bunch of excuses and a revision of events to make it seem like they were doing better than they were. I was rolling my eyes at Lindsey doing the same thing. Eh, I'm always super skeptic and critical of the players who pile on excuses and claim their games were much better than it looked on TV but I didn't get that from Lindsey at all. I mean, her whole game basically came down to "getting into fights with misogynistic jerks and pissing them off" and it's not like she denied it or anything. She said she probably should have shut up and that her mouth and personality cost her the game, but she was just at peace with it because it would have annoyed her to not call them out or defend herself (or her gender or whatever). I don't see that as an excuse, just acceptance. She also more or less admitted that she and Sierra made Kelly a third wheel and let Mike get in her head about splitting them up. I thought it was a more or less honest and self aware take. As opposed to Max who did the usual thing where he had justifications for why all the things we think he did wrong really weren't as wrong as we think. That's the usual deal to me.
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Mar 21, 2015 04:17
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^^ yeah that Lindsey really impressed me in her Exit Interview with her composure and how well-spoken she was. Met posted:Eh. Every early exit interview feels like it's just a bunch of excuses and a revision of events to make it seem like they were doing better than they were. I was rolling my eyes at Lindsey doing the same thing. I didn't hear it as making any excuses. She knew what her downfall was, and accepted it. I might be biased though. STAC Goat posted:I wouldn't even go that far but its that same basic thought process I imagine. There's just a right and a wrong way to navigate that situation. The proper reaction from Max would have been "Man, I'm so sorry for this. Thank you all for being so understanding. I'll refill the water pot and tend it while it boils. I'm really sorry." I'm saying it was like a tiny, outside chance. Like 2% possible. He's already tried to be Richard Hatch by running around naked, tried to be Malcolm with his Hold Up Bro. I wouldn't put it past him that he's trying to be John Carroll and get someone to piss on him too.
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Mar 21, 2015 04:21
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Dan is fun. He knows what he should be doing for the social game then bungles it every time alongside his smug confessional.
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Mar 21, 2015 04:22
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Dan is awful, but at least he's fun to hate. Max was just boring and nerdy. They both remind me of different kinds of MRAs.
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Mar 21, 2015 04:35
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Lone Goat posted:Max is such a fuckin ham that him getting stung on purpose is within the realm of possibility. The scorpion-eating was the best moment from the premiere, for one. And then the shouting match between him and his tribe actually ended up in Rodney and Lindsey looking meaner than him. And then both episodes four and five showed him to have some strategic depth and awareness. Also, against so many people playing for the camera, Mike seems more real. Last, yeah I love his position in the game, too. I believe the editing's set him up for the long haul.
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Mar 21, 2015 08:28
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Last season, often when someone was 'obviously' getting a winner's edit they would be the next one voted off. Josh, Jeremy, and Jon in particular. And while starting fire, setting up shelter and functioning on low-calorie diet are important, people should train for Survivor by getting insulted and yelled at without freaking out or reacting poorly, and saving their responses for Confessionals.
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Mar 21, 2015 11:15
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I think casting intentionally picks volatile people (shocker).
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Mar 21, 2015 16:13
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A recap of my first reaction to Max:Met posted:Name (Age): Max Dawson, Ph.D., 37 notmakingthemerge.txt
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Mar 22, 2015 05:43
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Cochran posted:Cochran: Alright — as the Professor of Survivor, what grade would you give yourself for the game you played?
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Mar 22, 2015 12:50
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Honestly I'm not sure Max even went on Survivor to try to win, I think he just went on Survivor to be on Survivor.
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Mar 22, 2015 13:14
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Jesus he's insufferable
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Mar 22, 2015 13:16
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We all should have seen this coming when he was talking about KALE in his bio. What a fuckin dork.
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Mar 22, 2015 13:27
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Max went out to play the Survivor he saw on TV, and not the Survivor on the island. I think that was his fatal flaw.
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Mar 22, 2015 13:30
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Of course he went to Brown
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Poque posted:Of course he went to Brown What's the significance of that for us non Americans?
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Mar 22, 2015 14:15
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The Lord Bude posted:What's the significance of that for us non Americans? it's a member of the prestigious Ivy League of universities which is known for graduating pretentious people who love to bring it up at every possible moment. "Oh at BROWN I was ... " I'm honestly surprised he didn't say it on screen. Although it's possible I just don't remember it since I usually went catatonic when he spoke
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Mar 22, 2015 14:19
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Poque posted:it's a member of the prestigious Ivy League of universities... They should probably kick Brown out sometime soon.
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Mar 22, 2015 18:40
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Hot drat, he's the worst. I never want to see him on the show again. Anybody other than himself and the people that don't want to hurt his feelings (Cochran, the Know-it-alls, some of the dumber people on Reddit) would give him a hard fail. You don't play a Cult Leader game with only one follower. He doesn't respect the game as much as people like Carolyn and Jenn, who love the game but don't trumpet their love to the rooftops or rant obsessively about astrology signs of the winners and the game dynamics of One World. They played the game, he went and geeked out the entire time. It'd be funny, though, if Shirin actually took his boot to heart, and turned her game around. Dunno if she was self aware enough to do that.
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Mar 22, 2015 18:56
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Yeah, I take back saying I'd be ok with him returning. He's the worst. It's POSSIBLE that Shirins bad gameplay was exasperated by Max's obvious terribleness. If the two of them were as close as Max makes it sound and he clearly didn't see anything wrong with her behavior or gameplay than maybe she was just feeding off that. Maybe with him gone there's no one there to help her be deluded about her game position or encourage her acting crazy. Granted, I'm only suggesting this as a random theory. Because it's obvious Max was deluded and clueless to what was going on but utterly convinced he had things in control. So if he was feeding Shirin a steady stream of that maybe she can change her game with him gone and no longer misleading her. I agree with those who've said that Kelly should probably be the next one to go to weaken the Blue Collars post merge. So that might buy Shirin some time.
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Mar 22, 2015 19:30
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i frankly do not quite understand everyone's raging hatred for max. he definitely seems annoying, and i imagine he would have driven me nuts out there too, but i'd way rather see him again than a dozen other contestants. he's not even the worst thing on this season. that award goes to mr. 'women need to hold themselves to a higher standard than men'. what a complete douchebag. though joaquin is a close runner up.
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Mar 22, 2015 21:03
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Adus posted:i frankly do not quite understand everyone's raging hatred for max. he definitely seems annoying, and i imagine he would have driven me nuts out there too, but i'd way rather see him again than a dozen other contestants. Yeah, Max really wasn't that bad. Joaquin is a huge douche.
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Mar 22, 2015 22:06
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Rodney is a much worse person than Max. Definitely. And Joaquin probably is too but he hasn't gotten much TV time. Max isn't necessarily a bad person. He's just a super, super annoying and arrogant one.
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Mar 22, 2015 22:39
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A lot of people are hard on Max because he was a Student of the Game and by all rights should have done really well, but he made a lot of boneheaded mistakes because he was thinking about the game from the wrong angle. A lot of people are hard on Max because he's an annoying hipster doofus. I'm both of these people. Yeah, there's much shittier human beings on this season, but Max managed to play worse than many of them!
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Honestly, Max just presses certain buttons I have. I just don't like the smug, know it all type. Especially the kind that needs to rationalize their mistakes like Max is doing and argue away why he isn't a bad player who played a poo poo game. But that doesn't make him a bad person. Just someone who annoys me.
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Mar 22, 2015 23:18
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To be fair, if it weren't for the other contestants, Max would have won.
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Juanito posted:To be fair, if it weren't for the other contestants, Max would have won. Even if there were no other contestants Max would irritate Probst so much there'd be no winner.
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Lone Goat posted:We all should have seen this coming when he was talking about KALE in his bio.
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Also I have some speculation based on Lindsey's exit interview: sticks up for idiot Dan -> Dan is a fellow pre-jury boot
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Spatula City posted:Hot drat, he's the worst. I never want to see him on the show again. Anybody other than himself and the people that don't want to hurt his feelings (Cochran, the Know-it-alls, some of the dumber people on Reddit) would give him a hard fail. You don't play a Cult Leader game with only one follower. I don't think Cochran is able to express himself freely, considering he is doing the official CBS exit interviews. I suspect his private opinion would be harsher.
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xcore posted:Surely Max is one of the biggest disappointments in the shows history? The ratio of potential to performance is massive. Going gravedigging back a few pages for this, but I couldn't help but comment. You know goddamn well that a season of 16-18 people that are at Tocantins level Coach insanity would be the most entertaining season of any television show ever. Sadly there aren't that many people that are that unhinged at one time, so it's a bit pie in the sky, but man I would absolutely love that.
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Am I a bad person because I never realized Joaquin was pronounced Wakeen, and now I always call him The African Dream?
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I didn't get a chance to watch live while I was on vacation last week, but I finally caught up last night and have a few thoughts in no particular order: 1. I can't say that I am sad that Max got voted out, although I wouldn't have minded seeing him suffer a little bit more first. But seeing him get completely blindsided was pretty awesome. 2. Lindsey might not have been voted out if she had kept quiet, but I actually like/respect her a bit now because she did speak up. If she had gone farther I still don't think I'd be rooting for her, but I'd no longer be actively rooting against her. Although her speech during tribal seemed a bit too staged/scripted. 3. Rodney is just a terrible person. His whole attitude and the 'women should hold themselves to a higher standard' thinking is just absolutely awful. I know this article is a old and maybe it's been discussed but it really brings his douchebaggery into focus. Sorry Rodney you will never be a G.O.A.T. but you might end up being a goat. 4. I'm not sure if I'd be able to resist asking Rodney if his sister was holding herself to a higher standard when she OD'd on crack. Of course, I'd probably be trying to goad him into getting kicked off for punching me. It probably wouldn't be too hard since I'd also probably hammer on the mom jokes/comments, especially once he revealed that they bother him so much. I have a talent for pushing buttons.  5. It was hilarious watching Dan almost do/say something smart only to immediately veer off 90 degrees and crashed right into a wall. He was doing so well at first with his women listen with empathy thought and then he just jammed it straight into condescension by ending it with 'just smile and nod and agree'. Then his apology started a little rough but it could have been saved and instead he careens headlong into the 'well you did it first' bus. 6. There will never be a greater chicken killing than JT in Heroes vs Villians. This sums it up pretty well: http://funny115.com/v2/81.htm . Although I could have sworn that JT did it by grabbing the chicken by the head and then just spinning the body around, but maybe that was Tocantins?
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The smart move is to eat the rooster and keep the egg-layers around as long as possible.SweetJahasus posted:Going gravedigging back a few pages for this, but I couldn't help but comment. Not pie in the sky at all. To see 16-18 unhinged bigmouths with huge ego and overinflated sense of self-worth, watch Celebrity Big Brother .
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