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KKKLIP ART posted:couldn't this be like any college student, especially any college football fan? Maybe for like one day a week (Saturday). The rest of the time I was busy writing magnum opus 70 page papers about game theory for a dude named Berejekian who would give me C's I think if you're a legit alcoholic college drums you out or sends you off to a community college. HOTLANTA MAN fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Thoguh posted:ISU hasn't won 8 games in two season. How do you get out of the bed every morning? I'm familiar with the symptoms of Fan of a Bad Team Disease. Many of my family members were infected by the Pirates and I work with a lot of Redskins fans.
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:Maybe for like one day a week (Saturday). The rest of the time I was busy writing magnum opus 70 page papers about game theory for a dude named Berejekian who would give me C's If you can get to the point where you can legally buy alcohol you're usually past the worst of college. Speaking of which, there's half a bottle in my fridge I need to finish.
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KKKLIP ART posted:couldn't this be like any college student, especially any college football fan? He got a DUI and almost killed his girlfriend. Little bit extreme for a college student, par for course when you have to live in Ames  TEAMCATLAB REMOVED HIS AMES VIDEO WHY
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Mar 23, 2015 05:19
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Former Nebraska (and Iowa before that) DL coach Rick Kaczenski was arrested Saturday night for third degree domestic assault and is still in jail awaiting arraignment today. AFAIK he hasn't gotten a new gig yet
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Top Hats Monthly posted:TEAMCATLAB REMOVED HIS AMES VIDEO WHY As long as there's always this. I should save it in case it gets pulled https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO-QTJer3vU
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Mar 23, 2015 15:53
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Sash! posted:How do you get out of the bed every morning? Rooting for a lovely football team is almost easier. After watching ISU's good basketball team fuckup and it ruining my day, I never really have to care what ISU football does because they suck and always will suck. Some years, other teams will outsuck them enough that we make a bowl game, which makes things interesting though.
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Mar 23, 2015 15:55
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Clemson's spring game is April 11, gonna drive up and go watch per usual. I've been searching the news feeds to see if they've decided if Watson will participate or not, I really kind of hope he doesn't considering his ACL surgery... :\
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Mar 23, 2015 17:10
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So who's going to schedule Kwansei Gakuen first? My bet's on Marshall or Clanga.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:22
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Boo, hissquote:COLLEGE PARK, Md. -- President Barack Obama is coming out against compensation for college athletes.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:11
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Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaa  e: For real though, the "bidding war" counter-argument against player compensation is the dumbest loving strawman.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:19
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VDay posted:
I don't agree with that. Granted there would need to be all sorts of stipulation involved with paying players, but there are schools who will be able out-spend other schools and would.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:23
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The NCAA is probably a pretty formidable lobbying force. As are the conferences and their universities.
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Regnevelc posted:Granted there would need to be all sorts of stipulation involved with paying players, but there are schools who will be able out-spend other schools and would. Spoiler alert: schools already out-spend other schools. The idea that Alabama or Florida or Texas or Oregon don't have a huge, arguably insurmountable advantage over most of the Div 1 schools is laughable. Look at the list of the last 30 or 40 national champions and tell me how much of an equal playing field college football is. The idea that paying players a reasonable amount would create some kind of horrible dystopian future where the same 10 teams win everything is a joke because that already happens. The overwhelming majority of the top high school athletes already go almost exclusively to powerhouse programs. Programs like Alabama or Texas or Florida wouldn't need to buy players because those players already want to go there due to the advantages those programs already provide. The idea that poor little Southeastern Wyoming State A&M wouldn't be able to compete with Alabama if players were paid is a bad argument because it implies that the smaller school totally has a chance with Alabama in today's environment. And just to be clear because this also gets brought up a lot: no one is actually arguing for some kind of open market bidding system where schools are allowed to offer high school kids hundreds of thousands of dollars to come to them. If anything, being able to offer the same reasonable amount to a potential player would give those smaller schools that everyone's concerned about a better shot at landing them. But, again, a top-ranked kid coming out of high school has no reason to go anywhere but a top-tier program so the idea that mid and bottom-tier programs would completely miss out on those 4 and 5 star recruits that they already don't get isn't a good argument for not paying players. There are plenty of concerns and things that would have to be carefully planned out if players ever got compensated. But some kind of made-up nightmare scenario based on something that no one is suggesting is not a valid argument to stop the entire process from even starting.
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VDay posted:Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaa No it isn't. The richest programs get the best players and run the rest out of league. Then the entire establishment collapses because nobody likes rooting for the Washington Generals.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:48
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Can't wait for Texas to pay every college player a million dollars and then lose every game because they gave college kids a million dollars so now every day is spring break
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Deteriorata posted:No it isn't. The richest programs get the best players and run the rest out of league A truly dramatic change
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Deteriorata posted:No it isn't. The richest programs get the best players and run the rest out of league. Then the entire establishment collapses because nobody likes rooting for the Washington Generals. You could come up with max payment amounts to keep bidding down, but I fail to see how it makes the issue of haves and have nots any worse than it is now in the climate of unlimited budgets for facilities/athlete dorms, etc.
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If players are paid we're never going to be able to get any good players because they'll all go to Ohio State
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Mar 23, 2015 20:56
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Detroit_Dogg posted:If players are paid we're never going to be able to get any good players because they'll all go to Ohio State Why? Roster size, scholarship limits and time to making it into starting rotations won't change just because players are now payed.
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Mar 23, 2015 20:59
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Neil Armbong posted:You could come up with max payment amounts to keep bidding down, but I fail to see how it makes the issue of haves and have nots any worse than it is now in the climate of unlimited budgets for facilities/athlete dorms, etc. The issue of haves and have nots used to be a whole lot worse than it is now. I'm in favor of solutions that reduce that imbalance even further, and oppose those that exacerbate it.
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Deteriorata posted:The issue of haves and have nots used to be a whole lot worse than it is now. I'm in favor of solutions that reduce that imbalance even further, and oppose those that exacerbate it. You'd pretty much have to remove all commercialism from the sport. Don't think any AD or broadcaster in the country is going to let that happen on their watch.
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I'm just worried that if we start treating players like human beings it will make it hard for the smaller schools to succeed.
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Deteriorata posted:The issue of haves and have nots used to be a whole lot worse than it is now. I'm in favor of solutions that reduce that imbalance even further, and oppose those that exacerbate it. Then by all means feel free to actually explain how player compensation would exacerbate the have/have nots problem, because all I ever see is "Teams would buy players it would be unfair", which completely ignores both the reality of college football as it is today and the possibility of there being easy solutions (like scholarship limits that already exist).
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Right now we're all on an even playing field, if you start trying to be decent to 18 year old kids it'll throw the system all out of whack and the bigger programs will run rampant over the nation
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Mar 23, 2015 21:09
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I imagine any scenario where the NCAA accepts paying players it would have a standardized pay for all players in a division, maybe with some adjustments for differing costs of living. There's no way they'd let the Alabamas and Texases pay players whatever they wanted.
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I think the more legitimate concern is that we're already spending a bunch of money on athletics, why are we actively debating injecting more money into the system without any provable benefit? Why are were attempting a course that will inject more inequality? I definitely think we need to tip the scales back towards the athletes in terms of fairness, re: looser transfer rules and more security in a scholarship. I am not sure adding additional money to the system solves anything. I think if we set reasonable limits for what a stipend is and maybe chain to cost of living expenses, you can assure some measure of equity. And maybe the answer is that we do need to split the divisions again. If you can't afford to pay the stipend, you don't get to play in the highest league. Like you already have a large majority of programs that are basically huge money pits already, do you think they can really afford to throw a whole bunch more money in their money pits? Pakled posted:I imagine any scenario where the NCAA accepts paying players it would have a standardized pay for all players in a division, maybe with some adjustments for differing costs of living. There's no way they'd let the Alabamas and Texases pay players whatever they wanted. Except for the fact that these rules are essentially going to be written by those schools. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Guys can you imagine a world in which Auburn pays players, or maybe their parents, or even specifically their father
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Raku posted:Guys can you imagine a world in which Auburn pays players, or maybe their parents, or even specifically their father The difference would be it would be sanctioned, compared to all the dirty under the table poo poo that goes on at basically every school now.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I think the more legitimate concern is that we're already spending a bunch of money on athletics, why are we actively debating injecting more money into the system without any provable benefit? quote:Why are were attempting a course that will inject more inequality? BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The difference would be it would be sanctioned, compared to all the dirty under the table poo poo that goes on at basically every school now.
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I could see the result of the O'Bannon and other cases the formation of a licensing dept that pays all players an equal percentage, either yearly or as part of a trust upon graduation. That would solve the problem of an uneven playing field as well as prevent that money from coming out of school budgets (where even the full cost of attendance is controversial). Though I think cost of attendance is a necessity.
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Just do a simple salary cap and then see how it changes recruiting. No bonuses or counting against multiple years or whatever.
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JesustheDarkLord posted:Just do a simple salary cap and then see how it changes recruiting. No bonuses or counting against multiple years or whatever. Oregon seyz: Come play here for 5k, receive 50k/year in a trust to be paid when you leave the school. Oregon gets 200 people on roster, Phil Knight handles trusts. You have to keep the scholarship limit in effect, that's an absolute.
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Is it far enough into the offseason that I can rematch last season's games and pine for what could have been or do I need to wait till after our spring game before I get that desperate?
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One thing that's imminent if the NCAA allows a play-the-player model: Stealing-food-from-the-cafeteria arrests go down, DUI's/soliciting arrests go up.
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I'm just glad there aren't any bidding wars for top players because that would lead to an auction block atmosphere, maybe even a sort of cycle that several pay sites would chronicle and speculate on
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KKKLIP ART posted:Is it far enough into the offseason that I can rematch last season's games and pine for what could have been or do I need to wait till after our spring game before I get that desperate? The midpoint between UGA's last game of 2014 and their first game of 2015 is May 4th. That seems an appropriate time.
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Fraternities become agencies Which would make those really racist things they chant/write/do somehow more awkward
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Jesus. College players get free tuition, free housing, free food, access to the best fitness equipment on earth, athlete only faculties (lounge areas, Ipads in lockers, etc...)all the pussy they can handle, priceless networking opportunities (if you're a former athlete and can't get a job straight out of college simply because of your ex-athlete status u dumb) and the opportunity to play on national TV every week. And, depending on the school and their own motivation level, they don't even actually have to do the whole "student" part. I guess that seems like more than fair compensation to me? I don't know.
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limeincoke posted:Jesus. College players get free tuition, free housing, free food, access to the best fitness equipment on earth, athlete only faculties (lounge areas, Ipads in lockers, etc...)all the pussy they can handle, priceless networking opportunities (if you're a former athlete and can't get a job straight out of college simply because of your ex-athlete status u dumb) and the opportunity to play on national TV every week. And, depending on the school and their own motivation level, they don't even actually have to do the whole "student" part. On the face of it, this is the typical argument against paying players. However, there is a significant time investment that comes along with all of that; you can't really put a price on it or understand the devotion required to maintain student-athlete status. Also, the universities rake in millions yearly via sports, yet the players are often put in situations due to NCAA rules that leave them without the ability to sometimes even cover, financially, their basic needs.
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