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How much you wanna bet that King is suddenly "super busy" tomorrow when Steve Israel comes by his office to take him up on that?
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It is good the rabid-insane Likud supporters in the Dem party are being humiliated and isolated out of the main reins of the party. Support for Israel should hinge on trying to make all Israelis safe, not pleasing the chickenhawk apartheid right in Israel by murdering Palestinians using collective punishment and the expecting Israel to remain a safe place. These lies must end. Steve King and other Republicans can probably be rabidly anti-Semitic and they'd still win their seat. gently caress these people. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Nonsense posted:It is good the rabid-insane Likud supporters in the Dem party are being humiliated and isolated out of the main reins of the party. Support for Israel should hinge on trying to make all Israelis safe, By "isolatrd and humiliated" you mean "reboubled in courting efforts" right? Policies that accept the need for a one-state solution until Palestinian institutions develop to the point where a two-state solution is possible are pragmatic, mainstream Democratic policies. Don't like them? Vote Republican, for your permanent one-state solution. Oh, and King's from Iowa, not Missouri. There's a difference.
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So uh, anyone read this story? http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidkushner/matt-dehart#.vqaZYAlg1 
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Mauser posted:Jews in the US aren't as supportive of Israel as the bible thumping Christians. And Jews know that the only reason those redneck evangelicals support them is because they want to either convert or kill all of them to bring about the second coming of their lord and savior Jesus Christ. Why would the Jewish people ever vote for people that want to destroy them?
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So how do jews fit in the Christian world anyway I can understand the support of Israel being misplaced faith in God giving them the land. But one hand the gap loves israel on the other the skin heads hate jews
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Mar 22, 2015 22:27
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They're a key component for the people who believe in Rapture.
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Mar 22, 2015 22:30
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radical meme posted:And Jews know that the only reason those redneck evangelicals support them is because they want to either convert or kill all of them to bring about the second coming of their lord and savior Jesus Christ. Why would the Jewish people ever vote for people that want to destroy them? Because they realize that the "End Times" are a bunch of goofy stories that conveniently secure them American support? Who cares if they're waiting for the Rapture, they'll be waiting forever because its not going to happen.
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It's pretty much an article of faith in D&D that US religious conservatives are obsessed with Israel specifically as a means of bringing about Revelation, but I just find it really difficult to believe that's on most peoples' radar. Is there some kind of source that suggests that belief is taken seriously by any number of people in power?
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Kellsterik posted:It's pretty much an article of faith in D&D that US religious conservatives are obsessed with Israel specifically as a means of bringing about Revelation, but I just find it really difficult to believe that's on most peoples' radar. Is there some kind of source that suggests that belief is taken seriously by any number of people in power? It's probably a thing for a subset of religious conservatives but it's mostly just a meme here.
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computer parts posted:It's probably a thing for a subset of religious conservatives but it's mostly just a meme here. I disagree. There are probably are a lot of everyday self identifying christians that don't know poo poo about dispensationalist beliefs but, the people that they listen to , the people in charge of the evangelical movements do and they are true believers who are working to bring about the rapture and the return. Those people don't care if the flock understands or not because they believe that the Jews will in fact, willing or unwillingly, either be converted or destroyed so that baby Jesus can come back. Even those religious leaders who don't believe in the conversion or death of all Jews still believe that they have to build the Third Temple on the Temple Mount which still brings about World War III and the loving of everyone alive. Oddly enough, the end times for many muslims has many of the same world ending components to it except Jesus returns and saves the remaining true faithful of Islam. Western religion is so hosed.
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radical meme posted:I disagree. There are probably are a lot of everyday self identifying christians that don't know poo poo about dispensationalist beliefs but, the people that they listen to , the people in charge of the evangelical movements do and they are true believers who are working to bring about the rapture and the return. Those people don't care if the flock understands or not because they believe that the Jews will in fact, willing or unwillingly, either be converted or destroyed so that baby Jesus can come back. Even those religious leaders who don't believe in the conversion or death of all Jews still believe that they have to build the Third Temple on the Temple Mount which still brings about World War III and the loving of everyone alive. Oddly enough, the end times for many muslims has many of the same world ending components to it except Jesus returns and saves the remaining true faithful of Islam. Western religion is so hosed. Evangelicals are a subset of religious conservatives.
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Aurubin posted:So uh, anyone read this story? Seems like crap to me. I cannot even begin to believe that the bush administration or the CIA kept around documents that talk about how they killed five americans with anthrax shortly after 9/11. Nor can I believe that this guy had documents that included that fact but didn't back them up in about eight million easily to recover methods. Seriously, that poo poo is your get out of jail free card. He could have hosed 100 little boys and he wouldn't be going to jail if he had proof that the bush administration tried to provoke a war by killing its own citizens with anthrax, or that a GMO company admits it is responsible for 17,000 deaths with its food (somehow). He is almost certainly a guy who got caught trying to seduce kids online who then concocted a ridiculous story to try and save his rear end.
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computer parts posted:Evangelicals are a subset of religious conservatives. But you don't have to be in some Pentecostal Snake Handlers church to hear this being preached. Main stream Baptists preach and believe this poo poo. So I don't know what your considering as a subset because that subset is the majority of the Southern religious block. edit: your are right that I shouldn't have used the term "evangelical" so loosely when it does invoke a specific religious group; I should have said far right religious conservatives instead. radical meme fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Kellsterik posted:It's pretty much an article of faith in D&D that US religious conservatives are obsessed with Israel specifically as a means of bringing about Revelation, but I just find it really difficult to believe that's on most peoples' radar. Is there some kind of source that suggests that belief is taken seriously by any number of people in power? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush
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computer parts posted:It's probably a thing for a subset of religious conservatives but it's mostly just a meme here. In the 20th C in the States the most famous right-wing warmongering evangelists preached from the pulpit the same interpretation of the book of Revelations, which included as a key component jews having to bow before Jesus and admit they were wrong at the end times. It's also a perpetuation of the ancient myth of 'the wandering jew,' that the Jewish diaspora was a result of their unwillingness to accept Jesus as the messiah and they won't have a real home until they do. This stuff is so deeply embedded in the American collective unconscious that it's impossible to say just how much of it influences anybody. But that collective unconscious is where most of the Republican party gets their motivation for things they do. So there's that, too.
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Are there any known cases where a politician, after retiring, explicitly stated that they didn't believe in the ideas/policies they were pushing when in office?
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Eschatos posted:Are there any known cases where a politician, after retiring, explicitly stated that they didn't believe in the ideas/policies they were pushing when in office? The closest you'll probably hear is something along the lines of "I personally didn't agree with [idea] but the political climate at the time didn't allow me to be forceful on the issue", like Obama with gay marriage (or maybe he was saying that about one of the Clintons). No one's going to say "oh yeah I'm just in this for the money".
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radical meme posted:I disagree. There are probably are a lot of everyday self identifying christians that don't know poo poo about dispensationalist beliefs but, the people that they listen to , the people in charge of the evangelical movements do and they are true believers who are working to bring about the rapture and the return. Those people don't care if the flock understands or not because they believe that the Jews will in fact, willing or unwillingly, either be converted or destroyed so that baby Jesus can come back. Even those religious leaders who don't believe in the conversion or death of all Jews still believe that they have to build the Third Temple on the Temple Mount which still brings about World War III and the loving of everyone alive. Oddly enough, the end times for many muslims has many of the same world ending components to it except Jesus returns and saves the remaining true faithful of Islam. Western religion is so hosed. You're gonna have to post some polling to convince me this is true. The thing your explanation about the Jesus trap doesn't explain is why it has been such a non-partisan issue with a wide base of support. Are there also a poo poo ton End Times Evangelicals in the Democratic party too? Most religious people in the United States aren't actually fantasizing about the end times. The support for Israel is very simple, and it has nothing to do with people understanding bizarre conspiracy theory minutiae about the Jesus trap. I will give you a break down of why there is broad support for Israel in the US: 1) Hitler made being anti-Jewish pretty uncool. 2) Jews became to be considered white people at some point after WW2, and Americans like white people. 3) People don't know poo poo about Judaism. They don't know any Jews. They don't care to know any Jews. 4) #3 is kind of a problem, but support for Israel is a handy proxy for fending off criticisms of being anti-Jewish and a way to appear to be pro-Jewish while burning zero calories. 5) Israel's enemies are Muslim, and American Christians feel closer to Judaism than Islam for religious reasons that should be obvious. 6) Muslims are perceived to be middle-eastern or black people, and White Americans generally feel iffy about those groups. 7) People don't know poo poo about Judaism, and have been convinced that Israel is synonymous with Judaism due to Israeli rhetoric. computer parts posted:No one's going to say "oh yeah I'm just in this for the money". They come pretty close, though. They just code it by talking about how they felt a duty to represent their constituency. ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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ErIog posted:6) Muslims are perceived to be middle-eastern or black people, and White Americans generally feel iffy about those groups. Literally they need to go to Israel and start showing everyone who is a Jew and who is a Muslim and be laughed at for failing. It's not "light skinned people" vs. "dark skinned people", it's more separating those two are massive walls,
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Sir Tonk posted:That powerpoint presentation that got leaked was amazing. Link?
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Job Truniht posted:Literally they need to go to Israel and start showing everyone who is a Jew and who is a Muslim and be laughed at for failing. It's not "light skinned people" vs. "dark skinned people", it's more separating those two are massive walls, Jew: Those friendly, social-justice minded individuals who live down the block. Muslims: The folks you see on the nightly news who hate us for our freedom. That's about the sum of it in American media, and all you need to know to inform your vote.
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Joementum posted:Brownback.jpg The audible boo was nice though.
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Milosh posted:The audible boo was nice though.
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Eschatos posted:Are there any known cases where a politician, after retiring, explicitly stated that they didn't believe in the ideas/policies they were pushing when in office? I think Clinton has done interviews where he talked about DADT as a compromise with Republicans to prevent worse legislation and he hated it, or something like that. But, he wasn't stumping for that policy.
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Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of the signing of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Ted Cruz is announcing his campaign on the same day. He probably won't even mention it. Likely slipped his mind.
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Eschatos posted:Are there any known cases where a politician, after retiring, explicitly stated that they didn't believe in the ideas/policies they were pushing when in office? this is why god gave politicians Federalism "X policy was appropriate/inappropriate for my constituency when I was a mayor/state leg/congressman/governor/senator, but now that I have retired/moved to a higher office I can definitely state that I think it is inappropriate/appropriate in the general case"
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This lovely thing just popped into my news feed. It's for sure not going to pass, but it's amazing to see it even exists in 2015 and it looks like it'll be legally required to waste a bunch of time and money before it dies.'Kill the Gays' Measure One Step Closer to California Ballot posted:California officials may be forced to allow a group pushing an initiative advocating execution for gays and lesbians to start gathering signatures put the measure on the ballot.
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Joementum posted:Tomorrow is the fifth anniversary of the signing of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Sacre blu, does ze Canadian wish to impose ze Canadian healthcare system upon America, eh? Is ze Cruz coming out in favor of CanadaCare, whereby all ze sick Americans are sent to Canada to receive free healthcare and drugs? Has the french-Canadian Cruz ever used his canadian citizenship to acquire socialist healthcare? I'm just asking questions here
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PDP-1 posted:This lovely thing just popped into my news feed. It's for sure not going to pass, but it's amazing to see it even exists in 2015 and it looks like it'll be legally required to waste a bunch of time and money before it dies. Just the time and money of the sponsoring group though. They're the ones who'll have to gather 365,000 signatures to get it on the ballot, which they likely won't be able to do. There are scads of these dumb proposals in CA every election and very few of them pass the signature gathering stage. Even Six Californias failed there.
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Joementum posted:Just the time and money of the sponsoring group though. They're the ones who'll have to gather 365,000 signatures to get it on the ballot, which they likely won't be able to do. A pity, draining hetch hetchy to spite the state of Los Angeles would have been worth it.
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Joementum posted:Just the time and money of the sponsoring group though. They're the ones who'll have to gather 365,000 signatures to get it on the ballot, which they likely won't be able to do. Good. Hopefully the attorney general's office just has to rubber stamp a few papers and not spend too much time on it otherwise. It's still an amazing thing to see offered up in this day and age, but I suppose the anti-gay groups have got to be feeling pretty dispirited and angry these days so this might just be a last desperate lash-out before the supreme court (hopefully) settles the issue forever in a few months.
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Yeah, but at least they're being very open and direct about their homicidal bigotry, unlike Scott Lively, who got 19,378 people to vote for him to be Governor of Massachusetts last year without mentioning his work helping the Ugandan government implement their own version of the "kill all the gays" law or all those books he'd written about how all the Nazis were only genocidal because they were not-so-secretly all gay.
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Joementum posted:Yeah, but at least they're being very open and direct about their homicidal bigotry, unlike Scott Lively, who got 19,378 people to vote for him to be Governor of Massachusetts last year without mentioning his work helping the Ugandan government implement their own version of the "kill all the gays" law or all those books he'd written about how all the Nazis were only genocidal because they were not-so-secretly all gay. He's not wrong
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PDP-1 posted:Good. Hopefully the attorney general's office just has to rubber stamp a few papers and not spend too much time on it otherwise. I don't think he's completely honest. He chose a pretty brutal topic but I have a feeling his ultimate goal is to get changes to the CA ballot measure process. He's a lawyer and has submitted other outrageous proposals before (initiative requiring the King James Bible be read in all schools) but he probably won't be disbarred for it and it's bringing a lot of spotlight on the lax initiative process.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:The polls I've seen have said that support is stable %wise, but that it is more polarized. Falling democratic support balanced by rising Republican support. On the whole I say the same % of support but more partisan is a loss for Israel. You really don't want to be a partisan issue in today's US. yes, but the specifics on that is that Democrat support has fallen all the way to... 60%. Israel becoming a partisan issue isn't really well born out by the latest polls
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