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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:I wonder if we should listen to a human rights lobby group about human rights issues. I wonder if we should question the motives of a lobby group that announces the results of a survey as part of a launch of an anti-spying campaign. I guess thinking critically about stuff isn't worth doing when it supports your worldview.
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A lot of that has to do with the complexity of the the issue and the immediate impact of it. Snapper Quotas are easy to understand with it boiling down to a small handful of numbers and has quite immediate effects. Spying doesn't have that luxury of understanding nor is it announced or educated about nor are its effects fully understood. Key took two extremes, compared to to make one "Valid" in a extremely poor use of statistics and context. If you swallowed that line Key feed you then you weren't thinking critically.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:15
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Butt Wizard posted:I wonder if we should question the motives of a lobby group that announces the results of a survey as part of a launch of an anti-spying campaign.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:18
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Butt Wizard posted:I wonder if we should question the motives of a lobby group that announces the results of a survey as part of a launch of an anti-spying campaign. Keep unironically supporting spying, I'm sure that's a cool and popular opinion to have.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:19
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Up next he brings out "well I don't have anything to hide!" And we all laugh.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:20
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WarpedNaba posted:A job with GCSB would be pretty rocking, though, free unlimited encrypted broadband! Haha yeah, "free" "encrypted" "broadband" Butt Wizard posted:I guess thinking critically about stuff isn't worth doing when it supports your worldview. pot, meet kettle?
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Mar 23, 2015 04:23
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bobbilljim posted:pot, meet kettle? Actually he's never met a kettle before, and even if he did it was a campaign of lies by the left to discredit him, also there's 1080 in milk and Hagar isn't a journalist.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:27
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I just want to point out that any poll showing what the public think of government policy that may or may not violate their rights or privacy is by definition meaningless, because people have no loving idea whether something the government does is good or bad for them. It follows that poll results will be skewed by whatever Campbell said last night or that thing they saw on stuff a little while ago or whatever the gently caress. People are ignorant idiots and polls of the public about whether x or y is a good idea are mostly pointless. My two cents. Put me in a survey.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:30
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Keep unironically supporting spying, I'm sure that's a cool and popular opinion to have. I don't support spying for reasons outside of threat prevention i.e. what the GCSB is meant to do according to the strictest interpretation of the law. bobbilljim posted:pot, meet kettle? gently caress, I'm doing that thing again where I don't froth at the mouth enough about loving NATIONAL or get so angry that John Key exists that my balls shrivel up to fit in with the thread. My bad.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:40
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Everything else aside, lol at posting anything written by the Herald as unbiased, quintuple lol at using a self proclaimed unscientific survey ("I asked the 6 other retarded herald workers within earshot") as evidential support for any argument beyond "the Herald is retarded".
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Mar 23, 2015 04:47
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Butt Wizard posted:what the GCSB is meant to do according to the strictest interpretation of the law. If you believe that's what they are doing, then I have some great products to sell you at low low prices
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Mar 23, 2015 04:48
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bobbilljim posted:If you believe that's what they are doing, then I have some great products to sell you at low low prices I don't think that's all they're doing and I never said I did.
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Mar 23, 2015 04:51
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Butt Wizard posted:
I wonder whether that same 50-ish% would say they trust a Labour Government to protect their right of privacy. Makes you think.
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Mar 23, 2015 05:35
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El Pollo Blanco posted:
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Mar 23, 2015 05:40
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Butt Wizard posted:Amnesty International 'survey' shows that people don't want to be spied on. In other news, the sky is blue and the grass is green.
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Mar 23, 2015 05:41
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Ghostlight posted:You know this article says that 75% of New Zealanders don't want to be spied on, right? It doesn't say they personally didn't want to be spied on, just that they had reservations about the GCSB doing so. quote:a total of 75.3 per cent were "very concerned'', "somewhat concerned'' or "a little concerned'' about plans to allow the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) to monitor New Zealanders as well as foreigners.
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Mar 23, 2015 05:44
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Butt Wizard posted:It doesn't say they personally didn't want to be spied on, just that they had reservations about the GCSB doing so. Yeah I don't want to be spied on by the GCSB; I bet they don't even get a proper mirrored sunglasses budget like the good and cool agencies.
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Mar 23, 2015 06:01
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Ah yes the semantics of "well they never said they didn't want another government agency, or anyone else, spying on them, just that they don't like it when it's specifically this one"
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Mar 23, 2015 06:02
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Butt Wizard posted:It doesn't say they personally didn't want to be spied on, just that they had reservations about the GCSB doing so.
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Mar 23, 2015 06:03
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Ah yes the semantics of "well they never said they didn't want another government agency, or anyone else, spying on them, just that they don't like it when it's specifically this one" Well that wasn't what I said at all. "Are you OK with being spied on as part of GCSB mass-surveillance?" and "How comfortable are you with an agency having the power to do something?" are two completely different questions. Ghostlight posted:That's dissembling since that's the spying everyone is talking about. The same article also says that over half of the respondents largely trusted NZ authorities to respect their privacy so I don't know what the gently caress to make of it. 75% say it's a huge problem, but a portion of them are then going "Eh, whatever, it'll be fine"?
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Mar 23, 2015 06:08
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gently caress. Man. I really could have a beer right about now. Where's JK?
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Mar 23, 2015 06:11
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:gently caress. Man. I really could have a beer right about now. Where's JK? Curb-stomping some detestable human rights lobbyists
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Mar 23, 2015 06:12
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Butt Wizard posted:The same article also says that over half of the respondents largely trusted NZ authorities to respect their privacy so I don't know what the gently caress to make of it. 75% say it's a huge problem, but a portion of them are then going "Eh, whatever, it'll be fine"?
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Mar 23, 2015 06:24
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:gently caress. Man. I really could have a beer right about now. Where's JK? In Japan shilling beef and lamb. He's cutting his visit short so he can go campaign in northland
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Mar 23, 2015 06:31
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Good. We need a convention centre so we can serve up our own beef and lamb and slot jockeys
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Mar 23, 2015 07:09
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Butt Wizard posted:Amnesty International 'survey' shows that people don't want to be spied on. In other news, the sky is blue and the grass is green. Its Amnesty International, not some loving biased idealogical lobby group for fucks sake.
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Mar 23, 2015 09:37
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bobbilljim posted:Haha yeah, "free" "encrypted" "broadband" Never said you'd be working in New Zealand, did I? 
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Mar 23, 2015 09:44
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klen dool posted:Its Amnesty International, not some loving biased idealogical lobby group for fucks sake. Yes but why else would they try and discredit good Ol' John unless they were dirty nazi leftists????
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Mar 23, 2015 09:45
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To be fair, the idea that people have an inalienable human right to express non-violent opinions without violent suppression from their government is leftist.
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Mar 23, 2015 09:59
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Yes but why else would they try and discredit good Ol' John unless they were dirty nazi leftists???? lol Ghostlight posted:To be fair, the idea that people have an inalienable human right to express non-violent opinions without violent suppression from their government is leftist. Really? Am I that naive that I don't know this? Kinda-free speach is kinda in our kinda-constitution, is it only the left that wants one?
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Mar 23, 2015 10:07
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fong posted:In Japan shilling beef and lamb. He's cutting his visit short so he can go campaign in northland That's 2nd-best Korea you racist. 
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Mar 23, 2015 10:17
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dusty posted:That's 2nd-best Korea you racist. "Yeah mate that's the flag, it's choice aye?"
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Mar 23, 2015 10:20
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"That's Tim. Tim couldn't get the job even with us feeding him the other guys' notes lol"
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Mar 23, 2015 10:34
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klen dool posted:Really? Am I that naive that I don't know this? Kinda-free speach is kinda in our kinda-constitution, is it only the left that wants one? Freedom of expression is in our constitution but blasphemy is still technically illegal and we're under a government that is quite happy to pass legislation that violates the Bill of Rights anyway.
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Mar 23, 2015 10:37
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Ugh, that embarrassing poo poo in the NZ embassy in Seoul got me a good long ribbing last I was up there. Who brings Meat Jerky to something that's supposed to showcase our national cuisines and fine meat products?
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Mar 23, 2015 10:39
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:"Yeah mate that's the flag, it's choice aye?" 
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Mar 23, 2015 11:01
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dusty posted:That's 2nd-best Korea you racist. He was in Korea but he's in Japan now
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Mar 23, 2015 12:31
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Using my tax dollars  etc etc etc
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David Cunliffe's life is falling apart. He separated from his wife of 30 years just recently herald are also running it as their front page story which is pretty poo poo A friend of mine in Labour said that he's looking terrible, like you can tell he's trying really hard to seem happy but is not
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