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Oh here's another one from that comments thread!quote:i'm not sure where you get your facts but I graduated high school in seventy seven and went to jr. College because I could not yet afford a 4 year college. I worked a minimum wage job plus commission and it was tough then. today, I am a business owner who has hired employees for the past seventeen years..... It is extremely difficult to find anyone who believes in working hard and being ethical. Also our Gov't makes it almost impossible to hire multiple employee's because they tax us so much. We payed two employees $1400 a piece and $1400 went to pay taxes and ins. for all that we had to pay out in taxes and insurance we could have hired a third person and helped the unemployment totals.
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1400...per month? I wonder how hard working and ethical he'd feel at 8.75 an hour. And it's telling he doesn't break down that "taxes and insurance." Oh, and think how much he'd help the unemployment stats if he stopped paying for insurance and an employee got injured to the point they couldn't work and was unable to afford treatment. Then you've got someone who isn't counted as unemployed because they're not looking for work, AND you've not only taken them out of the unemployment figures to begin with, you're also taking their replacement out. drat government!
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Mar 23, 2015 05:10
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Oh here's another one from that comments thread! Yeah I bet having 3 people with no health insurance or social security benefits at retirement age would loving suck rear end for them, but it would be good for business-  Also tell that selfish prick what else has changed since 1977:   "Why can't all these poor people today do what I did 30 years ago that's multiple times over more expensive and difficult today?" 
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poop device posted:It's always great to see these come up in the wild. At least, I suppose, they are incredulous.
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Mar 23, 2015 05:24
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Oh here's another one from that comments thread! Been in business for 17 years and he only has two employees? Sounds like someone's a slacker 
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Mar 23, 2015 05:34
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Shoving all her business' troubles on her employees' and the government's shoulders? Sounds like someone lacks personal responsibility.
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Mar 23, 2015 05:40
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The family insurance at my last employer would have cost 90 percent of my 11.35 an hour. Just me it would have been free; so also no subsidies for my wife and child if I'd stayed there. (Thanks Obama!)
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Mar 23, 2015 05:56
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 For reference, the "reclaim australia march" is some sort of retard march of people who don't like muslims protesting againt, uh, halal food.
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Mar 23, 2015 12:30
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Oh here's another one from that comments thread! Coming to think of it, something about this ever-present fixation on "hard work" in american discourse is actually pretty off-putting. It's like working yourself to death is considered pretty much a pre-requisite before you can even start to merely hope for something better. The idea that maybe somebody should be able to have a dignified and pleasant life by working competently but also comfortably, without breaking their back in the process, just doesn't seem to occur.
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duck monster posted:
"Musselwhite" is too apt in this context. What does he imagine the definition of racist is?
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Perestroika posted:Coming to think of it, something about this ever-present fixation on "hard work" in american discourse is actually pretty off-putting. It's like working yourself to death is considered pretty much a pre-requisite before you can even start to merely hope for something better. The idea that maybe somebody should be able to have a dignified and pleasant life by working competently but also comfortably, without breaking their back in the process, just doesn't seem to occur. Yeah I had an argument with someone like that over facebook. Friend of a friend in his mid-50s who had a fairly privileged upbringing (like getting a 3k inheritance in the 1980s and graduating college debt-free) who kept talking about how the problem with kids these days is that they don't want to work if they're not getting paid enough and back when he was younger he worked two jobs to support himself, etc, etc. My friend and I were telling him about the fact that it's just significantly harder get off the ground as a young adult these days considering the lack of jobs, and the average student loan debt of $30k. He kept talking about how we didn't know what we were talking about, that we just have to put in some effort and we'd be able to get jobs and make money, even after I told him that I already have a job and have been working 7 days a week for a while now. Just kept mentioning that kids have it so easy these days because we have stuff like monster.com and back then he had to actually look for a job. Like, drat, I can't imagine being more out of touch. The kicker is that he has two kids whose college tuition he completely paid off. One has worked odd jobs but is currently unemployed and the other has been in and out of trouble with law enforcement since high school, costing pops there over six figures in legal fees. Maybe he should have spent his time parenting instead of working 2-3 jobs his whole life?
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Brawnfire posted:"Musselwhite" is too apt in this context. Presumably that it's not racist to hate all members of a religion because see their religion really is savage and evil so it's okay to hate them...
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VitalSigns posted:Presumably that it's not racist to hate all members of a religion because see their religion really is savage and evil so it's okay to hate them... He didn't even know the definition of a racist. He was just defending his Muslim friends.
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VitalSigns posted:Presumably that it's not racist to hate all members of a religion because see their religion really is savage and evil so it's okay to hate them... Also, it's not actually a religion, it's an ideology.
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VitalSigns posted:Presumably that it's not racist to hate all members of a religion because see their religion really is savage and evil so it's okay to hate them... Yeah, given I grew up under similar conditions to PJ, less psychosis, same amount of voodoo 'medicine is bad, mental illnesses arent reel' same ACE utter horseshit, same angry outbursts when you say you hear something otherwise to their bubble views. I DO kind of intrinsically hate Christians and distrust them.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I pointed out to the tea bagger who posted this on Facebook that this graphic is bullshit because it doesn't take into account that African Americans only account for 13% of the American population. He replied back ranting about Ferguson. Yeah, according to these numbers a higher percentage of black people will be the victims of white on black crime than the percentage of white people who are victims of black on white crime.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Also, it's not actually a religion, it's an ideology. Thanks Bill StealthArcher posted:Yeah, given I grew up under similar conditions to PJ, less psychosis, same amount of voodoo 'medicine is bad, mental illnesses arent reel' same ACE utter horseshit, same angry outbursts when you say you hear something otherwise to their bubble views. I DO kind of intrinsically hate Christians and distrust them. I don't really know that a specific cult denomination of maybe a few hundred thousand people at most is a good comparison to a loose and theologically varied category of over a billion people 
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Mar 23, 2015 14:58
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VitalSigns posted:I don't really know that a specific cult denomination of maybe a few hundred thousand people at most is a good comparison to a loose and theologically varied category of over a billion people
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duck monster posted:
By which he means they were virulently hateful and his son just got pissed off that his father is such a blatant bigot. Anyone who protests against halal food is probably a horrendous bigot. Of course, the real problem is that his son won't tolerate his intolerance!!!
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Mar 23, 2015 15:13
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Anyone who protests against halal food is probably a horrendous bigot. Then again some of those will then double down when challenged and say that stunning doesn't work anyway, so halal still needs to be banned, but just halal and not all meat. 
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Guavanaut posted:Some of them are just misguided animal rights activists who think that all halal meat is slaughtered without stunning. I know a TON of animal rights activists and I've never heard anyone say anything about halal food. Maybe none of them are misguided but I question whether this is anything beyond just a few people who probably end up using it as cover for bigotry.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I know a TON of animal rights activists and I've never heard anyone say anything about halal food. Maybe none of them are misguided but I question whether this is anything beyond just a few people who probably end up using it as cover for bigotry. Same here. I've never heard an animal rights argument against halal coming from an animal rights activist. It sounds to me like the "environmentalist" arguments from anti-immigration groups.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:They'd never say the same thing about kosher, though. It's been making its way around tumblr recently as those kids are starting to learn about new things.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:They'd never say the same thing about kosher, though. You say that now...
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:They'd never say the same thing about kosher, though. e: Which is true, but most halal slaughterhouses use the exact same slaughter method as normal, they just put any animal that dies from the stunning and not the bleeding in the non-halal pile. So any issues they have should be meat industry issues and not Islamic issues. I blame the press bringing up halal as if it's some kind of new scary issue. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Mar 23, 2015 |
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Real quick since this is on topic: I had heard once that many Jews and Muslims consider halal and kosher meats to be completely interchangeable. As in a Jew can eat halal meat and a Muslim can eat kosher meat and because the two practices are so similar that they both meet the spiritual requirements for one another. Is this true in any way or have I been misled?
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Who What Now posted:Real quick since this is on topic: I had heard once that many Jews and Muslims consider halal and kosher meats to be completely interchangeable. As in a Jew can eat halal meat and a Muslim can eat kosher meat and because the two practices are so similar that they both meet the spiritual requirements for one another. Is this true in any way or have I been misled?
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Who What Now posted:Real quick since this is on topic: I had heard once that many Jews and Muslims consider halal and kosher meats to be completely interchangeable. As in a Jew can eat halal meat and a Muslim can eat kosher meat and because the two practices are so similar that they both meet the spiritual requirements for one another. Is this true in any way or have I been misled? This is just one of many articles on the matter I've found, and a pretty well-written one from my limited knowledge. In general, it seems like many Muslims can treat kosher meat as halal, but halal meat doesn't meet kosher standards. I, or this article, could be wrong, but I thought I'd at least share a source on the matter.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/truth-needle-is-15-wage-dooming-seattle-restaurants-owners-say-no/ A lot of people are saying that $15 / hour in Seattle has forced closure of restaurants despite the fact that we aren't even close to minimum wage yet. Oh hey, speaking of Starbucks!  
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seiferguy posted:http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/truth-needle-is-15-wage-dooming-seattle-restaurants-owners-say-no/ I am sure the irony of countering a discussion on racism with a load of conservative talking points is lost on this person.
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Some restaurants have closed in anticipation of the minimum wage hike. Apparently they are so convinced they'll go broke they'll cut their losses while they're ahead. Oh well, this is capitalism. A better run company would have taken its place anyway.
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We had to watch 'The Eternal Jew' (Nazi propaganda film made to justify repression against Jews) in a Political Propaganda class a few years back, and I remember there was a pretty big section of the movie talking about how cruel and barbaric kosher meat was (including a scene of a lamb being slaughtered) and how the Jews were cruel to animals and had no concern for animal rights and blahblahblah.
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VitalSigns posted:Presumably that it's not racist to hate all members of a religion because see their religion really is savage and evil so it's okay to hate them... Also Islam is not a race, so being anti-muslim cannot possibly be racism.
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Mister Bates posted:We had to watch 'The Eternal Jew' (Nazi propaganda film made to justify repression against Jews) in a Political Propaganda class a few years back, and I remember there was a pretty big section of the movie talking about how cruel and barbaric kosher meat was (including a scene of a lamb being slaughtered) and how the Jews were cruel to animals and had no concern for animal rights and blahblahblah.  . Of loving course.The next time I hear anti-halal nonsense I'll act like the conservatives that claim they'll eat MORE meat if someone's a vegetarian or waste gas if someone drives a hybrid: make special trips to the halal grocery and pick up the good poo poo. Seriously, my local halal grocery always has good stuff.
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Brawnfire posted:"Musselwhite" is too apt in this context. Probably just your standard case of "Racists are bad people, but I'm not a bad person, therefore I can't be racist."
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
Yeah, there's a great international market near me with some fantastic deals and good quality meat. My only complaint is that, for extremely obvious reasons, I cannot buy pork there. It's not a big deal though; there's a generic supermarket a couple blocks away that has me covered on that front. I will never understand people freaking out about halal or kosher meat. If you're not Jewish or Muslim, it means literally nothing whatsoever to you, other than that the meat might be slightly higher quality, maybe.
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Dirk the Average posted:I will never understand people freaking out about halal or kosher meat. If you're not Jewish or Muslim, it means literally nothing whatsoever to you, other than that the meat might be slightly higher quality, maybe. People you don't like probably don't bathe or stay hygienic. Or maybe they literally want to kill you and will sell you poisoned meat.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:
via Occupy Seattle: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-no-the-minimum-wage-isnt-20150316-column.html
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Mister Bates posted:We had to watch 'The Eternal Jew' (Nazi propaganda film made to justify repression against Jews) in a Political Propaganda class a few years back, and I remember there was a pretty big section of the movie talking about how cruel and barbaric kosher meat was (including a scene of a lamb being slaughtered) and how the Jews were cruel to animals and had no concern for animal rights and blahblahblah. That was a great propaganda piece. For those not in the know, what they did was show an animal thrashing after its throat was slit, to show how in pain it was. This was provided of course without context, so that the average moviegoers who don't know anything about farm practices or animal husbandry wouldn't pick up on things like "the throat was cut in a way as to prevent pain to the animal" and "the animal is not thrashing in pain, but out of confusion due to blood loss." They also called hoisting it up on a hook so the blood drained faster something like unnecessary cruelty despite the fact that every butcher does it.
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New developments in technology and culture require a conversation about how they mesh with previously established rights. We didn't decide that the First Amendment doesn't apply to means of communication developed after 1791, but we did have to actually think about how it would work. The Second Amendment was written when America didn't have a standing army and "arms" generally meant muskets. That doesn't inherently mean newer weapons don't fall under the 2nd Amendment, but we do need the conversation about it to evolve beyond "MUH GUNS!!!!! 
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