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Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

:iiam:

just trying to help out if you don't wanna spend 10 seconds sending a pm then heh

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hump day bitches!
Apr 3, 2011


After careful research and some venn diagrams I'm sure this is some gay muai thay porno shoot.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Do you squat though? Skinny Muay Thai thighs and old man butt need not apply. Please send mug shots

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Nostalgia4Dicks posted:

Do you squat though? Skinny Muay Thai thighs and old man butt need not apply. Please send mug shots

Skinny muay Thai thighs? From what I've seen at the gym, it looks like horse legs come with the package.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

TollTheHounds posted:

3 weeks off and my cardiovascular is poo poo - almost puked, also lost my knuckle calluses so now they're all raw. Good to be back!

Does anyone else get a poo poo sleep the night after training though? I eat and drink a ton when I get back and before bed, and always go to sleep right away but I also always:

Wake up a few hours later soaked in sweat

Have to piss

Have to eat - I'm talking handfuls of roast beef and spoonfuls of peanut butter in the dark

Can't get back to sleep for an hour or 2 because I'm going over the class in my head and trying to get comfortable on my sweat soaked side of the bed.

It's like my body is so hot post class - for hours and hours, that even with no sheets on I still sweat like a pig.

Tl;dr How the hell do I sleep through the night post training

That seems describe the aftermath of a night of heavy drinking.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Xguard86 posted:

Skinny muay Thai thighs? From what I've seen at the gym, it looks like horse legs come with the package.

If you incorporate weight lifting, yeah. Most don't though. Nice calves tho

TollTheHounds
Mar 23, 2006

He died for your sins...

Rabhadh posted:

Pissing at night is part of getting old, stop drinking 2 hours before bed and start watching/listening to something relaxing until you just fall asleep. I watch/listen/read something until my eyelids get heavy.

e: incidentally I boxed last night and now I have an 8k cross country to run this morning and I slept like poo poo because I didn't take my own advice

Well my problem isn't getting to sleep - I'm so loving exhausted that isn't an issue ( and if it were there's always melatonin or whatever ). It's the *staying* alseep/not waking up in a pool of sweat/not waking up hungry that I'm trying to aim for. I suppose it's a testament to how much energy I burn rolling around on the ground. I used to think I pushed myself hard at the gym before I started BJJ but it is comical how little I was really doing in comparison.

Thoguh posted:

That seems describe the aftermath of a night of heavy drinking.

That is...remarkably accurate. Nearly dying, hanging out with a group of people who want to kill you but you all get along anyway, can barely remember what you did/going over the night to see how badly you embarassed yourself, entire body hurts....

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
How long have you been doing bjj? Its possible you're getting really amped on adrenaline and the comedown is causing these problems. Eventually, you should even out and maybe the disrupted sleep and night sweating will stop.


I mention this because I had my first sparring day at Muay Thai practice Saturday morning and got the adrenaline come down hard. Almost all of Saturday I had basically flu like symptoms, including some sweating some nausea, body aches combined with a weird unfocused yet antsy feeling. I would fall asleep and come to really erratically as well while trying to watch a movie.

Eventually when I realized what was happening, I drank a ton of water a glass of green tea and went to sleep for 20 minutes. Woke up as a normal person again.

Same symptoms as after a few hours from my first couple of bjj tournaments and their after effects. I assume after a few reps it will diminish.

EDIT: Was not a concussion, I am pretty sure, I only got hit hard a couple of times and never lost consciousness saw stars or any of that.

Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Mar 23, 2015

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

Nah, I'm wrecked after kendo tournaments as well and quite often I'll be dead the following day as well.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I've had a ton of friends (and myself) with issues waking up in the middle of the night all muscles tensed and sometimes also sweating profusely. One friend regularly wakes up on the floor after grappling with beadsheets (I've mentioned this before IIRC, since this topic comes up regularly). It's not unnatural or even rare.

It goes away.

I think it mostly happens when you start stressing your mind and body with some new skill/thing like full contact sparring or rolling at high gee, or doing exercises that completely wreck you physically because they are something your nervous system isn't accustomed to... quite yet. One friend who started kickboxing 5 times a week compared to 2 times a week described waking up at 05:00, shaking and pouring sweat, almost after every practice. People who are new to grappling wake up in the early morning thinking about rolling and suffering contracting muscles meanwhile.

That said, what do I know, but I wouldn't be worried and suggest this is very temporary.

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



So the Americans at the most recent HEMA tournament in Texas got crushed by the Swedes and other Euros. Conditioning is a big problem in American HEMA, and I'm wondering if anyone knows any stamina drills or exercises we could do as a group to help fix that issue. If anyone has any suggestions, whether it's for individuals or groups, I would greatly appreciate your help. We're already the best cutting school in the country, and we want to at least put a dent in the image that American HEMAists are terrible athletes.

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007
Start running 3 times a week, 1x sprints, 1x intervals and a distance run. It's not glamorous but it gets results, knights had to be able to run in full armour after all.

E: also start skipping

Rabhadh fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Mar 24, 2015

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

So, I'd like to do an amateur Muay Thai fight at some point. I'm in an MMA hot spot, that's for sure. I just switched to a new gym and the coach is pretty great. I haven't been there long but I believe some others have fought MT

So do I just ask the coach if he'll sponsor me or support me or what? Does the gym look for a fight for me? Am I supposed to pay the coach cash for one and one time I guess? No idea how all his works.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Nostalgia4Dicks posted:

So, I'd like to do an amateur Muay Thai fight at some point. I'm in an MMA hot spot, that's for sure. I just switched to a new gym and the coach is pretty great. I haven't been there long but I believe some others have fought MT

So do I just ask the coach if he'll sponsor me or support me or what? Does the gym look for a fight for me? Am I supposed to pay the coach cash for one and one time I guess? No idea how all his works.

Just tell your coach that you want to compete and he'll tell you what you need to do

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

Verisimilidude posted:

So the Americans at the most recent HEMA tournament in Texas got crushed by the Swedes and other Euros. Conditioning is a big problem in American HEMA, and I'm wondering if anyone knows any stamina drills or exercises we could do as a group to help fix that issue. If anyone has any suggestions, whether it's for individuals or groups, I would greatly appreciate your help. We're already the best cutting school in the country, and we want to at least put a dent in the image that American HEMAists are terrible athletes.

How long are the round times and how many are there?

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
And what cardio were you doing before that? How's everyone's diet?

Goffer
Apr 4, 2007
"..."
http://www.thearma.org/essays/fit/RennFit.htm#.VRC9b_mSx8E

Good stuff here from the historical perspective:

quote:

Another form of strength training called Strebkatze consisted of various forms of "tug-of-war" games using rope or cloth. According to Wassmannsdorff this training was good for fencing with longswords or two-handed weapons because it strengthened the muscles used in descending cuts. Finally, playful forms of milder non-combat grappling or wrestling were also conducted. (Turnen und Fechten, p. 11-18).

Most of the readings say that knights used to lift, run, dance and wrestle a lot, so go join a bjj class to get some extra endurance training there?

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



02-6611-0142-1 posted:

How long are the round times and how many are there?

They vary anywhere from a minute and a half to three minutes, usually with quick breaks to judge.

1st AD posted:

And what cardio were you doing before that? How's everyone's diet?

I was doing none, but I also wasn't competing. Started running today, and once I find my jump rope (or buy another one) I'll be doing runs + jump rope every day at minimum.

Goffer posted:

http://www.thearma.org/essays/fit/RennFit.htm#.VRC9b_mSx8E

Good stuff here from the historical perspective:

Most of the readings say that knights used to lift, run, dance and wrestle a lot, so go join a bjj class to get some extra endurance training there?

This is pretty neat, thanks! We also desperately need to wrestle, but our space doesn't have mats to fall on.

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007

Verisimilidude posted:

I was doing none, but I also wasn't competing. Started running today, and once I find my jump rope (or buy another one) I'll be doing runs + jump rope every day at minimum.

Heres a video to help you on your way with the skipping, at home I'll do this for around 20 mins then do bag work or shadow boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpyBFZV8Kg

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Anyone have a good recommendation for videos of muay thai style kicks? It would be helpful to have something I can watch a few times or maybe with some slow motion breakdowns because learning at the gym its sometimes hard to catch details.

TollTheHounds
Mar 23, 2006

He died for your sins...

Xguard86 posted:

How long have you been doing bjj? Its possible you're getting really amped on adrenaline and the comedown is causing these problems. Eventually, you should even out and maybe the disrupted sleep and night sweating will stop.

Not long, maybe 5 months now so I'm still very green. I mean I roll until I can barely stand, so it could just be that i'm pushing my body so hard that this is what happens. I also only go twice a week because reasons, so it could also be I'm not getting enough regular training for my body to get more used to it.

Good to know it's a common thing though. I guess I was hoping for that one funny goon trick that makes doctors hate them - drinking a bottle of refrigerated Castor oil while doing a handstand and watching anime.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Xguard86 posted:

Anyone have a good recommendation for videos of muay thai style kicks? It would be helpful to have something I can watch a few times or maybe with some slow motion breakdowns because learning at the gym its sometimes hard to catch details.

http://youtu.be/9iWTFG4oy3o

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



For those interested (and in the New York/New Jersey area), the Martinez Academy, along with the Raven Arts Institute, will be hosting the Spanish Martial Arts Weekend on May 29-31.

Here's a video preview of the event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrrNKTnZhs4

You can register here: http://www.martinez-destreza.com/calendar/spanish-martial-arts-weekend-2015

edit:

Also thanks everyone for your suggestions! I've been steadily conditioning since I first posted, and it feels pretty great. I've also established a Facebook group for our school's students to condition together, and to log their personal growth and activity. So far it seems to be a hit!

Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Mar 26, 2015

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Thanks thats useful. I think its not turning my hip over effectively thats hindering my power but i do that because I think I am always kicking from too close and cant develop the kick. Maybe I should step back after a combination with the hands? I will ask my coach next class for tips.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
I think that's generally a hip flexibility thing and it's not something you can quickly correct. I'm saying that because I started with like zero hip flexibility and after like 3 years of stretching I'm still a few cm away from touching my knees to the ground in lotus pose :smith:

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

1st AD posted:

I think that's generally a hip flexibility thing and it's not something you can quickly correct. I'm saying that because I started with like zero hip flexibility and after like 3 years of stretching I'm still a few cm away from touching my knees to the ground in lotus pose :smith:

Cant be that because my hip flexibility is very good Thanks to whatever combo of TKD BJJ and genetics. If I take my time vs a heavy bag I can turn my hip over correctly for leg and body still working on head but if I'm doing pads or sparring I can't turn my hips because I run out of space like I need to stand farther away or at a better angle. However in a combination or during sparring I can't just setup like on the bag so I'm trying to figure out if I need to kick different stand differently or what.

I think its coordinating power position and range. So probably just summarized as "be good".

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
Oh gotcha, I guess you just need a ton more pad work.

hump day bitches!
Apr 3, 2011


Xguard86 posted:

Cant be that because my hip flexibility is very good Thanks to whatever combo of TKD BJJ and genetics. If I take my time vs a heavy bag I can turn my hip over correctly for leg and body still working on head but if I'm doing pads or sparring I can't turn my hips because I run out of space like I need to stand farther away or at a better angle. However in a combination or during sparring I can't just setup like on the bag so I'm trying to figure out if I need to kick different stand differently or what.

I think its coordinating power position and range. So probably just summarized as "be good".

You can work the hip drive with less space that usual.Instead of opening the kick forward following the forward momentum of the punches, you kind of go sideways and create a little more of space.It feels and looks weird but whatever at long as it hits the dude, and usually people don't expect low kick out of an apparent botched combo.

Also you can go full dutch and just move your hips backwards and your torso and head forward and just blast kicks from close distance.

hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Mar 26, 2015

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Xguard86 posted:

Thanks thats useful. I think its not turning my hip over effectively thats hindering my power but i do that because I think I am always kicking from too close and cant develop the kick. Maybe I should step back after a combination with the hands? I will ask my coach next class for tips.

The answer to anything MT related is always "more hips"

Also don't stiffen/straighten your leg too much you want it to be limp to a point. And chop down or arch it like a rainbow depending on where you're hitting. Don't just kick up like karate or something

Throw a quick jab on a bag and that should roughly be how far away you want to be for a kick. Like the video says if you step don't just step towards the opponent/bag step at an angle. After a combo you're usually going to step into the kick and kick with the opposite leg you punched with, generally



I also saw a video of something like this but on a bag

http://youtu.be/rdSGE2H23Pk

And it helped me a lot. I never see anyone do it. But it's really simple and helpful and helps for a warmup. Just slowly kick the bag then push off once you make contact.

Also are you doing a good warmup and throwing in some dynamic stretching? Leg swings?

Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 27, 2015

General Emergency
Apr 2, 2009

Can we talk?
The answer to everything MA seems to be "more hips" :v:

Frog stretches are the bomb. I try to do the limber 11 before every session though I replace the elevated hip flexor stretch with the brettzel stech. Opens up the muscles real well.

I have more trouble with activating the muscles and keeping balance more than the ROM though and the thing we've been doing is pretty much what Dicks posted but we have the partner catch your leg when you'd normally extend it and push out. It's felt pretty helpful for me.

Decades
Apr 12, 2007

College Slice
Quick heads up that Rogan's recent podcast with Andrew Hill (a somewhat kooky neuroscientist) contains a pretty fun but easily missed dismantling of aikido from about 2:30 to 2:42. The guy mentions it a few times throughout the podcast and Joe starts polite, but at the 2:30 Hill starts to poo poo on Seagal and Joe trolls him a bit then puts him through the wringer, and 12 minutes later his basic understanding of human conflict is quietly shattered (at precisely the point Joe says he's not trying to shatter beliefs or anything.)

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Nostalgia4Dicks posted:

The answer to anything MT related is always "more hips"

Also don't stiffen/straighten your leg too much you want it to be limp to a point. And chop down or arch it like a rainbow depending on where you're hitting. Don't just kick up like karate or something

Throw a quick jab on a bag and that should roughly be how far away you want to be for a kick. Like the video says if you step don't just step towards the opponent/bag step at an angle. After a combo you're usually going to step into the kick and kick with the opposite leg you punched with, generally



I also saw a video of something like this but on a bag

http://youtu.be/rdSGE2H23Pk

And it helped me a lot. I never see anyone do it. But it's really simple and helpful and helps for a warmup. Just slowly kick the bag then push off once you make contact.

Also are you doing a good warmup and throwing in some dynamic stretching? Leg swings?

Hah funny because I was doing basically that drill with a bag this week before class because it felt like good practice. Nice to have validation.

Yes the coaches are pretty good about warm ups and when I get there early I do my own routine that I got from some dynamic stretch tutorial a million years ago. I did tkd from like 5-18 and used to be able to easily throw head kicks. Not the window makers you see in mt but leg to head is always strong.

Bjj has kept my hips almost as flexible but my range has diminished to about shoulder height at max. But I am hoping good practice will get me back to head kicking because drat is it nice to have a full range of strikes.

I think I'm often stepping forward on kicks instead of sideways I will watch that next class. Just a newb habit I think.

I also think my long buried tkd instincts are making me feel like I need more space but i am actually at an ok range. if I limp leg more and remember it's shin to rib and not like foot slap to head.

I have had some fun moments throwing a shuffle step slapping round house from way outside and seeing people kinda boggle that it connected, even if it's basically just a light touch. Maybe as i improve I can use it to cover ground and land some good hand or harder kicks versus now where I'm just kinda throwing it and flinching away.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Guyz. It's the foot to get your hips into it. Spin it 180 degrees to test it out. Don't believe it? Try!

Go to low heavy bag. Throw a circular kick while holding the supporting leg in place. If you didn't break your knee, you are welcome, but that was a lovely idea. Please don't do this, ever, unless you are doing Fedor -style low kicks to set up takedowns. Now throw the same kick while you turn the foot of your supporting knee or leg 180 degrees around. Magic! The hip will follow!

If you didn't get 5000% more power, you actually did the same the first time, or close to it, and just didn't know it.

edit: also stamp your heel on the the floor with whatever kick ever that connects, might sound funny but try it: stamp your supporting leg to the floor when the kick hits and tell me doesn't make a difference

Ligur fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Mar 28, 2015

Keg
Sep 22, 2014

Decades posted:

Quick heads up that Rogan's recent podcast with Andrew Hill (a somewhat kooky neuroscientist) contains a pretty fun but easily missed dismantling of aikido from about 2:30 to 2:42. The guy mentions it a few times throughout the podcast and Joe starts polite, but at the 2:30 Hill starts to poo poo on Seagal and Joe trolls him a bit then puts him through the wringer, and 12 minutes later his basic understanding of human conflict is quietly shattered (at precisely the point Joe says he's not trying to shatter beliefs or anything.)

This is pretty great, haha. Starts at 2:38 on the iTunes stream with ads.

hump day bitches!
Apr 3, 2011


Decades posted:

Quick heads up that Rogan's recent podcast with Andrew Hill (a somewhat kooky neuroscientist) contains a pretty fun but easily missed dismantling of aikido from about 2:30 to 2:42. The guy mentions it a few times throughout the podcast and Joe starts polite, but at the 2:30 Hill starts to poo poo on Seagal and Joe trolls him a bit then puts him through the wringer, and 12 minutes later his basic understanding of human conflict is quietly shattered (at precisely the point Joe says he's not trying to shatter beliefs or anything.)

Rogan smelled blood in the water and went for the kill but he was being really cuntish with his "If I had a DI wrestler".With a DI wrestler you can gently caress 3/4 of all the muay thai champions, including BJJ black belts and he goes in tirades about how amazing jiu-jitsu,how it keeps your ego in check and all that poo poo.His disdain for Aikido was palpable.

Decades
Apr 12, 2007

College Slice

Lamadrid posted:

Rogan smelled blood in the water and went for the kill but he was being really cuntish with his "If I had a DI wrestler".With a DI wrestler you can gently caress 3/4 of all the muay thai champions, including BJJ black belts and he goes in tirades about how amazing jiu-jitsu,how it keeps your ego in check and all that poo poo.His disdain for Aikido was palpable.

The delivery was harsh but I wouldn't disagree with anything he said, and I do think it's important to note that Joe waits for Hill to start criticizing someone else before he pounces. And he gave Hill every opportunity to produce something to verify his claim that Aikido has worked in competition-style settings against other arts, but he couldn't do it.

The average non-champion D1 wrestler matched up with a bjj blackbelt would probably be competitive, a Muay Thai champion less so but still potentially interesting based on the hypothetical ruleset at least. Based on what's covered in the podcast, Aikido would have nothing to offer.

And that would be fine, if Hill left it at Aikido being a helpful philosophy and exercise with maybe some basic self defense built in. But he pushed it and got blasted.

Novum
May 26, 2012

That's how we roll
My favorite is an aikidoka and a judoka having a friendly randori and the judoka effortlessly takes the guy down repeatedly and EVERY single time the aikidoka gets back up and begins to give some constructive feedback to the guy on how to better his technique.

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007
Having been boxing for a few months now, it's completely obvious to me that aikido is pretty useless in a real fight. However, those arm and wrist locks are deffo useful in certain situations, plus the weapon stuff we did in my old aikido club (jo especially) was really fun.

A Wry Smile
Jul 19, 2014

Well, at least now it's over.
When I was doing a lot of judo I'd occasionally do a style vs style with a friend who was an aikido blackbelt, generally I could just take him down with kosoto or whatever and sit on him but every once in a while he'd catch me with ude hishigi waki gatame vs my lapel grab and I'd be like whaaat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidHY-HcY9M

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Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

http://youtu.be/3Jji78uEW14

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