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Xibanya posted:What I've always wondered about DBZ is "why now"? Why in all the earth's history is it only in "the present" that you suddenly have all these insanely strong humans (Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, et al). Their strength appears to be unprecedented in human history and all of them live in the same age. Eh. Krillen would have been the champion of the turtle school and Tien of the Crane school. Other than those two, there wasn't really anyone hugely special (better than Roshi) out there at all. The next tier is Yamcha and Chauzu, and, well. The only thing that screwed it up was the Monkey King/alien showing up that could use his natural genes to jump ahead of everyone. The devil was always around, and that accounts for the other person.
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Covok posted:Did the person who made Dragonball Who Wants To Be A Superhero? ever finish it? Just read it today and it was pretty fun. I remember it being said that you can't sense God ki...not that you can't touch them at all. Vegeta, with no god ki in him whatsoever landed a few solid hits on Beerus.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:09
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jivjov posted:I remember it being said that you can't sense God ki...not that you can't touch them at all. Vegeta, with no god ki in him whatsoever landed a few solid hits on Beerus. Yeah he could punch Beerus and stuff but any Ki blasts he fired did squat.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:17
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They use ki for punches, though. That's their whole power.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:20
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I can't help but wonder how they increase their power levels by doing body training. For that matter, how have their muscles not ruptured yet?
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Mar 24, 2015 03:25
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They're cartoons.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:27
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Is Cell ever referred to as #21 in series or is Dragon Ball Wiki talking out of its rear end? (I mean it's logical, but I just want to be pedantic.)
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Mar 24, 2015 03:31
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mycot posted:Is Cell ever referred to as #21 in series or is Dragon Ball Wiki talking out of its rear end? (I mean it's logical, but I just want to be pedantic.) No.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:32
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BattleCattle posted:They're cartoons. Oh yeah.  mycot posted:Is Cell ever referred to as #21 in series or is Dragon Ball Wiki talking out of its rear end? (I mean it's logical, but I just want to be pedantic.) I've only seen him called that on fan websites.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:44
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jivjov posted:I remember it being said that you can't sense God ki...not that you can't touch them at all. Vegeta, with no god ki in him whatsoever landed a few solid hits on Beerus. Yeah, I don't really know where the whole idea of Beerus being magically immune to normal ki came from. It seemed like he was saying that no one with normal ki would ever be strong enough to hurt him. The same way Superman could say no human could hurt him. Doesn't mean that Superman is immune to people; just that no person has hit Superman hard enough to prove him wrong yet.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:46
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Besides, Vegetto could pound Beerus into the ground with his bare hands anyway.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:48
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jivjov posted:I remember it being said that you can't sense God ki...not that you can't touch them at all. Vegeta, with no god ki in him whatsoever landed a few solid hits on Beerus. Blasting someone with ki and punching them in the face with your ki-enhanced muscles are not the same thing. Just because you use it to make your physical attacks stronger doesn't mean they're like, bathed in it or something. That's more of a Hunter x Hunter thing.
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Mar 24, 2015 03:52
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mycot posted:Is Cell ever referred to as #21 in series or is Dragon Ball Wiki talking out of its rear end? (I mean it's logical, but I just want to be pedantic.) Obviously he'd be Number 12 or 11, because the lesser numbered Androids are all stronger than 19 and 20, except for 8. The Android naming scheme is hosed.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:05
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I thought it was specifically the entire line peaked at 16, who was a full Android, then went down in power after him until you got to Cell
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Mar 24, 2015 04:19
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RaspberryCommie posted:To be fair to Gohan, I seem to remember him wanting to jump in to save Videl in the manga nearly immediately, but he was stopped by the Supreme Kai. Yeah he wanted to jump in immediately but Piccolo and Supreme Kai are like NO! YOU GOTTA LET HER GET BEAT UP! I'M TOO INCOMPETENT TO FIND OUT WHERE BABIDI IS!
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Mar 24, 2015 04:19
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Stallion Cabana posted:I thought it was specifically the entire line peaked at 16, who was a full Android, then went down in power after him until you got to Cell Not if you count Android 13, where 13, 14, and 15 are all around or above 17 and 18, and 13 can absorb the other two ala Cell.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:22
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Kild posted:Yeah he wanted to jump in immediately but Piccolo and Supreme Kai are like NO! YOU GOTTA LET HER GET BEAT UP! I'M TOO INCOMPETENT TO FIND OUT WHERE BABIDI IS! The fact gohan didn't immediately punch the supreme kai's clocks out proves him to be a weaker human being than Yamcha.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:39
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Stairmaster posted:The fact gohan didn't immediately punch the supreme kai's clocks out proves him to be a weaker human being than Yamcha. Self control is a strength.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:43
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WickedHate posted:Not if you count Android 13, where 13, 14, and 15 are all around or above 17 and 18, and 13 can absorb the other two ala Cell. You shouldn't count them though.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:43
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Stairmaster posted:The fact gohan didn't immediately punch the supreme kai's clocks out proves him to be a weaker human being than Yamcha. The fact that Kibito and Supreme Kai made him get his energy drained (and brought Majin Buu halfway to revival all by his lonesome) is also never brought up again. Supreme Kai sucks at everything.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:45
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If the Grand Kai were in charge, But would have been turned good and hanging out in otherworld as a DJ ages ago.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:48
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I like how Dr. Gero doesn't even recognize Androids 13 - 15 in Raging Blast 2. Does he just tell his computer to make Androids and not even look into what they look like or can do?
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Mar 24, 2015 04:51
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BattleCattle posted:Self control is a strength. There are so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:53
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The Supreme Kai was such a fuckup, he ended up downplaying the threat of Buu because pffft how bad could something a wimp is afraid of be? And thus Vegeta decided to go Majin.
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Mar 24, 2015 04:53
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BlitzBlast posted:The Supreme Kai was such a fuckup, he ended up downplaying the threat of Buu because pffft how bad could something a wimp is afraid of be? The Kai who cried Buu. Pui pui so strong. Yakon so strong. Dabra so strong. Buu so strong.
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Mar 24, 2015 05:00
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Stairmaster posted:There are so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin. You disagree? That's neat.
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Mar 24, 2015 05:01
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Supreme Kai, like all mohawk infestees, is incompetent and untrustworthy.
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Mar 24, 2015 05:28
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Peak Dragonball to me is everyone gearing together to help Goku with the Red Ribbon/Piccolo and they finally arrive after he's finished up... actually that's how Raditz goes too. Goku's friends are the WORST.
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Mar 24, 2015 05:37
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Onmi posted:Peak Dragonball to me is everyone gearing together to help Goku with the Red Ribbon/Piccolo and they finally arrive after he's finished up... actually that's how Raditz goes too. What I'm getting out of this is Piccolo is Goku's truest friend.
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Mar 24, 2015 05:44
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TheKingofSprings posted:What I'm getting out of this is Piccolo is Goku's truest friend. He's also the only person not a Saiyan allowed to do anything of note in the movies.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:08
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Food for thought, Goku in the battle against Raditz is asked by Piccolo if he's developed any new techniques, and winds up admitting he's been slacking off and not been bothered. For the rest of the series, Goku is seen as a training maniac. Food for thought.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:14
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From then on until his death during the Cell Games there was constantly a reason to be training and fighting, and without a family in the afterlife he had nothing to bring him out of that behavior. After Dragon Ball, the four years of living a peaceful life out in the country with his wife and son just cooled him down. Raditz and the events that followed shocked him back into being a fighter.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:17
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TheKingofSprings posted:What I'm getting out of this is Piccolo is Goku's truest friend. What you're saying is that Goku's enemies become his friends later on.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:20
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Onmi posted:Food for thought, Goku in the battle against Raditz is asked by Piccolo if he's developed any new techniques, and winds up admitting he's been slacking off and not been bothered.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:20
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bowmore posted:Even Goku is worn out by the arrival of his first child like a normal parent I sort of saw it as complacency by being the strongest being on the planet.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:37
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Bushmaori posted:I sort of saw it as complacency by being the strongest being on the planet. Roshi made sure he knew there was always someone stronger by electrocuting the hell out of him. I figure he just meant he didn't have any new tricks but he could kamehameharder.
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Mar 24, 2015 06:40
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In It For The Tank posted:Besides, Vegetto could pound Beerus into the ground with his bare hands anyway. Everyone knows this is not true. Goku even said in the extended edition that it would do squat against Beerus.
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Mar 24, 2015 07:36
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MonsterEnvy posted:Everyone knows this is not true. Goku even said in the extended edition that it would do squat against Beerus. And then gohan managed to get him in a full nelson which is more than he could pull off against Buu with Gotenks absorbed. So I really doubt Beerus could do that well against Vegito.
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Mar 24, 2015 08:37
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Earth must be viewed has a near desert shithole if sending a baby with a powerlevel of like 6 is viewed as enough. Freeza was probably going to barely make a space-profit off of it.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Everyone knows this is not true. Goku even said in the extended edition that it would do squat against Beerus. I can't comment having not seen the extended edition but if an enraged Vegeta managed to draw blood from Beerus then a serious punch from Vegetto would reduce Beerus to ashes (and probably tear a hole in the fabric of reality). An obvious disclaimer is that this assumes Vegetto's power is consistent with how it portrayed in the Buu Saga where he was on a whole other cosmic level to any other fighter. I acknowledge that, because BoG had things like SSJ2 Vegeta being stronger than SSJ3 Goku, any logical power comparison is impossible anymore because AT does what he wants. It wouldn't surprise me if in AT's mind had the power ranking as Beerus > Enraged Vegeta > Vegetto > Goku > Vegeta > Gohan (because AT hates Gohan). I'm just saying that "real" Vegetto would obliterate Beerus.
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