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Ola posted:poo poo. Germanwings A-320 from Barcelona to Düsseldorf with 148 passengers and crew down in the Alps. Reporting "landed" and zero altitude. Could have been a divert and flight radar isn't reporting the correct track?
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Linedance posted:Reporting "landed" and zero altitude. Could have been a divert and flight radar isn't reporting the correct track? Sadly, no: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/mar/24/germanwings-airbus-a320-crashes-in-french-alps-live-updates
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gimpfarfar posted:Sadly, no: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/mar/24/germanwings-airbus-a320-crashes-in-french-alps-live-updates Yeah, just saw this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32030270
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Mar 24, 2015 12:25
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It's an Airbus. Any guesses as to whether the automated systems helped the crash along, as they have in so many other Airbus flights?
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bobfather posted:It's an Airbus. Any guesses as to whether the automated systems helped the crash along, as they have in so many other Airbus flights? 
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The Alps this time of year is going to be a bitch for SAR. Not that there'll be much to R. 
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It's a 24 year old airframe so if we're going to do some baseless speculation I'm going with metal fatigue.
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hobbesmaster posted:It's a 24 year old airframe so if we're going to do some baseless speculation I'm going with metal fatigue. My turn! "Gawdamn square windows!" 
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While on the subject of slight morbidity... Found this while browsing, if you *really* want to show your love for the MD-11*  It's a coffin *By killing the builder and telling him to get the number of engines right next time.
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Mar 24, 2015 14:13
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Supposedly the plane had put out a "distress signal" before it disappeared.
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Found a bunch of cool stuff on the Starship. Brace for impact! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AzS0vXa6s     (that's a lot of CRTs)        
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slidebite posted:Supposedly the plane had put out a "distress signal" before it disappeared. Yeah, at 10:47 which would be at the very end of the FR24 screenshot I posted, at local time GMT+1. It maintained its usual course apart from the very straight descent. Perhaps cabin pressurization failure and unconscious pilots?
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Ola posted:Yeah, at 10:47 which would be at the very end of the FR24 screenshot I posted, at local time GMT+1. It maintained its usual course apart from the very straight descent. Perhaps cabin pressurization failure and unconscious pilots? Airline has just tweeted - apparently the last transmission received from the plane was "Jungs , ich bin besorgt!" What can it mean?!?!?!?!
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Now they are saying no distress call, but that ATC said the plane was in distress after not hearing from them after trying to make contact.
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Saga posted:Airline has just tweeted - apparently the last transmission received from the plane was "Jungs , ich bin besorgt!" Looks like some kind of cryptic WWII code! Reminder: 
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Ola posted:Yeah, at 10:47 which would be at the very end of the FR24 screenshot I posted, at local time GMT+1. It maintained its usual course apart from the very straight descent. Perhaps cabin pressurization failure and unconscious pilots? Nah, the auto pilot would just keep going in that case, unless the pilots just fell onto the side sticks. May as well guess that Lufthansa skipped out on using the correct lubricant on the horizontal stabilizer if you're going that direction. Saga posted:Airline has just tweeted - apparently the last transmission received from the plane was "Jungs , ich bin besorgt!" Punched into google translate, was not disappointed. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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Saga posted:Airline has just tweeted - apparently the last transmission received from the plane was "Jungs , ich bin besorgt!" hobbesmaster posted:Punched into google translate, was not disappointed. 
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Inacio posted:Found a bunch of cool stuff on the Starship. Brace for impact! Oh hey, I photographed N514RS landing at SNA last year. Well, I mean, there's only like nine of them flying to begin with, but still.
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hobbesmaster posted:Nah, the auto pilot would just keep going in that case, unless the pilots just fell onto the side sticks. May as well guess that Lufthansa skipped out on using the correct lubricant on the horizontal stabilizer if you're going that direction. I figured they had time to dial in a descent on the autopilot. But yeah, it's baseless internet speculation, hope we get some answers soon.
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Mar 24, 2015 16:11
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In times of baseless speculation, the answer is always "a miniature black hole."
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On pprune, I saw a suggestion that a fighter jet squawked 7700 in the general area at around the same time so it was likely that it collided with the Airbus. At which point I decided pprune was officially useless.
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What if a miniature black hole was squawking 7700?
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Mar 24, 2015 16:43
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hobbesmaster posted:What if a miniature black hole was squawking 7700? Eh, even if it did happen, its more likely that the fighter saw the crash and was squawking 7700 to give an approximate area and announce the incident.
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Advent Horizon posted:That's a Mallard. It i... poo poo, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking.
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Mar 24, 2015 17:23
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They've released a photo of the crash site: How the hell do you even start to investigate if the plane's broken up that much 
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That is really sad. Hard to imagine that there are any survivors.
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How the hell do you even begin to explain something like this. The descent profile and track looks like someone just disconnected the autopilot, closed the throttles and made no other inputs until the aircraft went in. Not even a decompression would adequately cover this. There was some talk about the crew communicating with ATC during its descent, even through they did not change the squawk. I'm just praying it's not another pilot suicide.
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So to play not-entirely-baseless speculation, is it reasonable to say there's no mechanical failure mode that would explain both loss of radio contact and the straight steady descent, and that the leading candidates at this time are incapacitation of the crew after setting an autopilot descent, or controlled flight into terrain?
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JingleBells posted:How the hell do you even start to investigate if the plane's broken up that much From my expertise watching episodes of Air Crash Investigation: they first try to find the four corners of the plane (wingtips, nose, tail). Their location will help to determine the heading of the plane on impact, and whether the plane broke up in the air or on the ground. And if you find three corners close together but the other wing is far away, there was probably a problem with that wing. That kind of stuff.
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Shim Howard posted:So to play not-entirely-baseless speculation, is it reasonable to say there's no mechanical failure mode that would explain both loss of radio contact and the straight steady descent, and that the leading candidates at this time are incapacitation of the crew after setting an autopilot descent, or controlled flight into terrain? Tsuru fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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JingleBells posted:They've released a photo of the crash site: I actually binged a bunch of "Air Disasters" (or Mayday) over the weekend and it's amazing what they can work with. One of the ones I watched was for Swissair Flight 111 and it was in tiny tiny pieces. They collected several million fragments of airplane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111 Yet they still managed to find the individual wire that likely started the fire that brought the flight down. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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bull3964 posted:I actually binged a bunch of "Air Disasters" (or Mayday) over the weekend and it's amazing what they can work with. Never underestimate the resources of a multinational effort in both the amount of money (near unlimited) and amount of people (near unlimited) that can be brought in to help.
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Or underestimate the benefit of having serial numbers on every drat part of the plane.
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dietcokefiend posted:Never underestimate the resources of a multinational effort in both the amount of money (near unlimited) and amount of people (near unlimited) that can be brought in to help. Yeah, usually these things have no limit to the money spent finding out the cause because the fallout could be loss in confidence of air travel which would basically tank the worldwide economy.
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Mar 24, 2015 18:02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1thbvBbKk Helicopter footage of the crash site.
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InAndOutBrennan posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1thbvBbKk It's like there was an aluminum hail storm.
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InAndOutBrennan posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1thbvBbKk Doesn't look like anything bigger than a large suitcase left. gently caress.
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smackfu posted:Or underestimate the benefit of having serial numbers on every drat part of the plane. Even with this, I'd still imagine a midair between 2 of the same plane under the same carrier would be a complete loving nightmare to piece back together.
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