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Yeah that's about as comical as Jen Psaki starting that the US has a long standing policy of not supporting non-constitutional refine change 
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Franks Happy Place posted:That line might work better if you weren't simultaneously lobbying for the return of a spy you used to spy on the United States, there, guy. It's even funnier because it would actually have been irresponsible of the Israeli government not to spy on the Iran talks in some way, given the implications for their national security and foreign policy. It's why the State Department started out voluntarily giving Netanyahu updates about what was going on. They eventually stopped because the Israelis were selectively leaking information to try to damage the USA's efforts. The issue isn't that they were spying, it's that they used the information to interfere with the negotiations.
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Mar 24, 2015 16:11
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Mar 24, 2015 16:18
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German second strike nuclear subs say yes.
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Mar 24, 2015 16:22
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Europe generally follows America's lead on Israel, if less enthusiastically.
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Mar 24, 2015 16:29
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Peel posted:Europe generally follows America's lead on Israel, if less enthusiastically. Bibi's popularity in Europe is non-existent, the final nail in that coffin was put in when he demanded that all Jews leave europe.
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Mar 24, 2015 16:31
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Venom Snake posted:Bibi's popularity in Europe is non-existent, the final nail in that coffin was put in when he demanded that all Jews leave europe. The list of things where Hitler and Bibi agree just keeps growing, its the one piece of dark humour I can wring out of this whole mess. GOOD NIGHT LEFT SIDE!
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Mar 24, 2015 16:32
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Peel posted:Europe generally follows America's lead on Israel, if less enthusiastically. It's worth pointing out that this is true specifically for the politicians in Europe. The European population overwhelmingly sides with Palestine.
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Mar 24, 2015 16:41
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Franks Happy Place posted:Uuuh. Because the US backs Israel no matter what, though that might be changing soon. Why would their diplomats even have to try when the diplomats could literally walk completely nude into a meeting, poo poo all over the desk, and roll around in it and if someone said it was disgusting the US would side with Israel saying it clearly isn't
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Mar 24, 2015 16:48
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botany posted:It's worth pointing out that this is true specifically for the politicians in Europe. The European population overwhelmingly sides with Palestine. Not only Europe, but Canada, Australia, Japan, pretty much every country considered to be "West" except the US has an opinion about Israel on par with such luminaries like Iran and North Korea. http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Poll-Israel-viewed-negatively-around-the-world http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4020114,00.html http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-one-worlds-most-unpopular-countries-and-its-getting-worse-bbc-survey And that's just the next step from US and (weirdly) some African countries, after that its India, Russia, China and countries where politicians routinely compare Israel with Satan and call Jews rats and pigs on national TV. That's why I keep saying that Israel won't have anyone turn to if US washes its hands of the whole affair and what Bibi is doing seems pretty suicidal in many ways. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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Mar 24, 2015 16:55
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DarkCrawler posted:And that's just the next step from US and (weirdly) some African countries... Israelis vacation in Africa quite a bit.
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Mar 24, 2015 17:20
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Fizzil posted:Also how long before the PA collapses? and what would be the consequences of that? will Israel police the territory themselves? Hard to say - this depends almost entirely on the PA's popularity and stability. The PA will almost certainly be totally out of money within a month, if they aren't already, but Gaza has been more or less stable despite the fact that Hamas basically ran out of money maybe eight months ago now. Of course, the PA's circumstances are somewhat different - in particular, if the PA can't pay their security forces because of Israeli scheming then it'll be hard to get the PA security forces to go out and risk their lives stopping anti-Israel violent groups! If the PA collapses, who knows what'll happen? I think Israel will probably seek out another Abbas-style stooge and help him establish a new faction, though. They'll happily police the West Bank, with or without Palestinian permission, but they don't want to be officially responsible for it, just like the PA is staying out of Gaza and sowing chaos there instead because it doesn't want to be responsible for Gaza.
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Mar 24, 2015 17:43
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Extra! Extra! Wall Street Journal revealed as disreputable rag:quote:Boehner 'shocked' and 'baffled' by report Israel spied on US talks with Iran And two pieces of positive news: quote:House establishes bipartisan task force to combat anti-Semitism quote:Yahad can’t pay campaign staff, Yishai says
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Mar 24, 2015 18:56
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DarkCrawler posted:Not only Europe, but Canada, Australia, Japan, pretty much every country considered to be "West" except the US has an opinion about Israel on par with such luminaries like Iran and North Korea. drat, what did Israel ever do to Japan?
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Mar 24, 2015 19:38
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Jack of Hearts posted:drat, what did Israel ever do to Japan? Cultural appropriation
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Mar 24, 2015 19:48
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Oh please, like the US hasn't done that a poo poo load to Japan over the last 20 years.
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Mar 24, 2015 19:50
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Jack of Hearts posted:drat, what did Israel ever do to Japan? They're really pissed about the Samurai Pizza Cats dub.
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Mar 24, 2015 19:51
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A Winner is Jew posted:Oh please, like the US hasn't done that a poo poo load to Japan over the last 20 years. It was a joke though.
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Mar 24, 2015 19:53
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Jack of Hearts posted:drat, what did Israel ever do to Japan? Haim Saban.
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Mar 24, 2015 19:54
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Jack of Hearts posted:drat, what did Israel ever do to Japan? The real question is why would India have bad opinions on Israel? What heinous poo poo did Israel do to one of the only parts of the world to happily accept Jewish migrants in history (ancient history to be exact)?
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Mar 24, 2015 20:14
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Radish posted:They're really pissed about the Samurai Pizza Cats dub. That dub was amazing and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. Ralepozozaxe posted:
India is a favorite traveling location for Israelis who finish their military service. Israeli tourist are notoriously lovely, now take that and add to it the dickishness of a kid in his early 20s who feels he's now entitled to do whatever the gently caress he want in order to blow off steam after being in the army for 3 years. Bear Retrieval Unit fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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Mar 24, 2015 20:16
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:That dub was amazing and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. I'm with you, it was a work of art.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:19
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Japan doesn't bring any baggage about historical Abrahamic disputes to the table so maybe they just see these rich guys stamping all over those poor guys. There's also a lot of people with no opinion since it's so far away. Korea has similar negatives but much higher positives, maybe because evangelical Christianity is a thing there and is producing a population of theological supporters. That's all just my guesswork though.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:20
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Ralepozozaxe posted:The real question is why would India have bad opinions on Israel? What heinous poo poo did Israel do to one of the only parts of the world to happily accept Jewish migrants in history (ancient history to be exact)? Turns out that Israel's actions towards the Palestinians are not really popular outside the US, who would have guessed?
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Mar 24, 2015 20:22
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Jack of Hearts posted:drat, what did Israel ever do to Japan? Ralepozozaxe posted:The real question is why would India have bad opinions on Israel? What heinous poo poo did Israel do to one of the only parts of the world to happily accept Jewish migrants in history (ancient history to be exact)? Because Israel is a colonialist apartheid state created by Europeans out of what used to be a European colonial regime? And also happens to be an undeclared nuclear state which has not signed any nuclear treaties, including the NPT or other nonproliferation treaties? There isn't a single thing in either of those sentences that Japan should like, and I imagine India isn't too fond of the first sentence either. Additionally, both countries have virtually no Jewish population and were far from the horrors of the Holocaust (and Japan committed quite a few human rights abuses of its own during the war), so they're not inclined to cut Israel some slack the way Europe does.
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Mar 24, 2015 20:27
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Main Paineframe posted:Because Israel is a colonialist apartheid state created by Europeans out of what used to be a European colonial regime? And also happens to be an undeclared nuclear state which has not signed any nuclear treaties, including the NPT or other nonproliferation treaties? There isn't a single thing in either of those sentences that Japan should like, and I imagine India isn't too fond of the first sentence either. Additionally, both countries have virtually no Jewish population and were far from the horrors of the Holocaust (and Japan committed quite a few human rights abuses of its own during the war), so they're not inclined to cut Israel some slack the way Europe does. If you look at the chart, India doesn't compare to Japan at all. Japan is a weird outlier, especially compared to the polling results from the other east Asian countries, but also in general. Pakistan likes Israel more than Japan.
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Jack of Hearts posted:If you look at the chart, India doesn't compare to Japan at all. Japan is a weird outlier, especially compared to the polling results from the other east Asian countries, but also in general. Pakistan likes Israel more than Japan. I wonder why Israel's uniquely cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons might be unusually unpopular in Japan 
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Jack of Hearts posted:If you look at the chart, India doesn't compare to Japan at all. Japan is a weird outlier, especially compared to the polling results from the other east Asian countries, but also in general. Pakistan likes Israel more than Japan. Look more carefully. While Pakistan likes Israel more than Japan, according to that survey, it also hates Israel more than Japan. The same is true of South Korea and Indonesia. The oddity in numbers is simply due to a very large number of people answering "depends", "neutral", or "don't know".
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Mar 24, 2015 20:58
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Main Paineframe posted:And also happens to be an undeclared nuclear state which has not signed any nuclear treaties, including the NPT or other nonproliferation treaties?
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Mar 24, 2015 21:05
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Zeroisanumber posted:Israelis vacation in Africa quite a bit. They used to vacation in Turkey quite a bit too but that ended rather fast.
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Mar 24, 2015 21:42
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Radish posted:They're really pissed about the Samurai Pizza Cats dub. That dub owned. e: f, b: Bear Retrieval Unit posted:That dub was amazing and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. I got your back, BRUther!
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Was that the show where every dubber sounded like they were shouting their lines?:
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Mar 24, 2015 22:28
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Samurai Pizza Cats was my first anime.  Also enjoyed Ronin Warriors.Holy poo poo how the gently caress did I remember that? Is Obama really going to backpedal on the spying allegation?
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Mar 24, 2015 22:45
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Israel has NEVER spied on the US. Free Jonathan Pollard!
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Mar 24, 2015 23:17
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Ralepozozaxe posted:To be fair, India is in the same boat in regards to having nukes they're not supposed to. India is openly admitting having nukes, and they got sanctions for it. That said, India depends on Israel quite a bit; notably in the defense sector.
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Mar 24, 2015 23:31
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I don't think it's that Europeans like the Palestinians, I think it's that they don't like Israel because of who Israelis are.
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DarkCrawler posted:And that's just the next step from US and (weirdly) some African countries, after that its India, Russia, China and countries where politicians routinely compare Israel with Satan and call Jews rats and pigs on national TV. That's why I keep saying that Israel won't have anyone turn to if US washes its hands of the whole affair and what Bibi is doing seems pretty suicidal in many ways. Does Israel even need allies at this point? They have so many nuclear weapons that they could commence the Endlösung der Palestinenfrage tomorrow and no one would be able to stop them without tens of millions of that country's people being incinerated.
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hakimashou posted:I don't think it's that Europeans like the Palestinians, I think it's that they don't like Israel because of who Israelis are. Oh, good, we haven't had an 'all Europeans are anti-Semites' post recently. I was wondering where they'd got to.
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Darth Walrus posted:Oh, good, we haven't had an 'all Europeans are anti-Semites' post recently. I was wondering where they'd got to. They're too busy hating on the Roma and Muslim immigrants now.  In other news, Obama is not letting this one go: --- “Prime Minister Netanyahu in the election run-up stated that a Palestinian state would not occur while he was prime minister, and I took him at his word that that’s what he meant and I think that a lot of voters inside of Israel understood him to be saying that fairly unequivocally,” Obama said at the press conference with Afghani President Ashraf Ghani. “So even if you accepted the corrective of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s in subsequent days, there still does not appear to be a prospect of a meaningful framework established that would lead to a Palestinian state even if there were a whole range of conditions and security requirements that might be phased in over a long period of time, which was always the presumption,” Obama said. Obama stressed that the two-state solution would be a long-term process that would address Israel’s security concerns. “The issue has never been ‘do you create a Palestinian state overnight.’ The issue is ‘do you create a process and a framework that gives the Palestinians hope, the possibility that down the road they have a secure state of their own standing side by side with a secure and fully recognized Jewish state of Israel,’” he said. “It’s not just my estimation, but it’s hard to envision how that happens based on the prime minister’s statements,” he added. The president also cautioned that the lack of peace talks could deteriorate into violence. “That possibility [of peace] seems very dim, and that may trigger then reactions by the Palestinians that in turn elicits counter reactions by the Israelis and that could end up leading to a downward spiral for relations that will be dangerous for everybody and bad for everybody,” he said. Obama said he speaks with Netanyahu often, and chided the press for focusing on their relationship, which has reportedly grown exceedingly frosty, and not on the issues. “He is representing his country’s interests the way he thinks he needs to and I’m doing the same. The issue is not the relationship between leaders,” he said. “We believe two states is the best path forward for Israeli security, for Palestinian aspirations and regional stability. Netanyahu has a different approach and so this can’t be reduced to a matter of somehow let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.” (my bold --- AA)
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Kumbaya? That sounds like it could be Kenyan... In real things, I was wondering if y'all might be able to help me out: I recall reading years, maybe even a decade+, ago the biography or autobiography of an Israeli who was some high minister during the '67 war (maybe even Dayan, I honestly can't recall), who stated that even though they used fear of an attack from the build up of Arab troops on their border as the reason for launching a preemptive strike, internally, they at no point believed that any such attack was actually feared from said built up troops. Does anyone happen to know who/what I'm talking about off the top of their head?
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