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People talking about the Cruz thing have to remember: politics is all about optics. and the average voter, aka the one you have to convince, doesn't give half a poo poo about why Cruz has to enroll in Obamacare - just that He Said Thing Was Bad and now He's Enrolling In Thing
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FAUXTON posted:His base, who'd applaud him for "principals." (I feel I need to explain I'm aware of the spelling issue there because I put it there intentionally.) Keep in mind the class of filth you're dealing with here - these fucksticks filed suit claiming they were injured in some fashion by their eligibility for exchange subsidy. Literally "I was harmed by having cheaper insurance." That's maybe not the best characterization of the person bringing the legal challenge. If the subsidies weren't in effect it would put the cost of his insurance over the hardship threshold meaning he wouldn't have to purchase insurance at all, and according to him he doesn't want to have insurance. So technically he IS being financially harmed by the subsidy. Not saying I agree with the legal basis for his challenge or want him to succeed but I can at least see his perspective.
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Mar 25, 2015 03:23
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Drudge might be getting a bit too excited for the election...
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FAUXTON posted:His base, who'd applaud him for "principals." (I feel I need to explain I'm aware of the spelling issue there because I put it there intentionally.) Keep in mind the class of filth you're dealing with here - these fucksticks filed suit claiming they were injured in some fashion by their eligibility for exchange subsidy. Literally "I was harmed by having cheaper insurance." Jeff Flake can sue Obama for having to even look at him.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Primary candidates can also request and be granted protection if certain conditions are met. Romney, Gingrich and Santorum all had Secret Service details at some point during the 2012 primaries. Didn't Cain get it as well because there was some kind of threat against him?
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A human heart posted:Didn't Cain get it as well because there was some kind of threat against him? I don't think being a danger to yourself or getting cancer for the fifth time qualifies as a threat needing the secret service.
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Mar 25, 2015 04:08
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Oh, here it is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/herman-cain-gets-secret-s_n_1100541.html
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Mar 25, 2015 04:14
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It seems like a pretty good idea to provide SS protection to any of the major candidates. Not saying Cain was major but he was big enough to justify it 
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Joementum posted:I've said a number of times that the VP choice really doesn't matter in a Presidential campaign, but Andre Ventura might just prove that wrong. The VP slot has never mattered and this won't even move the needle in the Bible Belt
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Mar 25, 2015 04:29
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Pinterest Mom posted:So he should, what, refuse to buy health care and eat the penalty? No, he should buy health insurance through the ACA marketplace because it's the best option for his family. And he should be loving honest and admit that he's doing this because it's a better option than getting his own insurance on the private market or going without, and then stop campaigning to take that option away from millions of people. This is different from Rand Paul or Warren Buffet. Cruz claims that Obamacare is bad, but he obviously knows that is not true because he is choosing it over the options he claims are better. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mar 25, 2015 04:39
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A human heart posted:Didn't Cain get it as well because there was some kind of threat against him? 
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Mar 25, 2015 08:13
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Cruz using the ACA has to have some kind of ulterior purpose. There's no way you run as the tea party candidate and just go along with Obamacare.
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Mar 25, 2015 08:21
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He's going to make one of his children face the Death Panels, isn't he.
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Mar 25, 2015 08:34
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So Cruz is loving completely insane, right? We've established that.
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shadow puppet of a posted:He's going to make one of his children face the Death Panels, isn't he.
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President Signs Order Making Ted Cruz Ineligible for Obamacare
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Real Name Grover posted:Wait, hold on. How did "rock music" respond to 9/11 anyway? Well, Dave Mustaine went crazy. Er.
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Mar 25, 2015 11:03
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Has Andy Borowitz ever written anything remotely funny in his life?
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Cruz using the ACA has to have some kind of ulterior purpose. There's no way you run as the tea party candidate and just go along with Obamacare. Yeah I think Ted has been watching too much House of Cards and thinks if he gets on Obamacare and complains the entire time it will help him push forward his agenda. I think he is just the right amount of crazy to think this isn't transparent at all.
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Big news!
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Mar 25, 2015 14:01
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Pinterest Mom posted:Big news! I can see why everyone hates Halperin. That's a mess to read. Biden buzz big: Bush blusters at base's bleak bow-out blather!
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Mar 25, 2015 14:29
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Captain Log posted:So Cruz is loving completely insane, right? We've established that. I don't think he's insane. I do think he's a cynical psychopath who's wanted to be president from his 2nd birthday. Even when you ask him a question on what kind of music he likes he churns out bloody red meat. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mar 25, 2015 14:57
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Cruz using the ACA has to have some kind of ulterior purpose. There's no way you run as the tea party candidate and just go along with Obamacare. He's going to sign up and some how gently caress it up. Which state would he sign up under any way?
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BexGu posted:He's going to sign up and some how gently caress it up. Which state would he sign up under any way? Alberta.
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Bob James posted:Alberta.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Big news! Mark Halperin is the Slurms McKenzie of political reporting. Wimmy wham wham wazzle!
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Mar 25, 2015 15:38
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Do you guys think Cruz's papa is going to be an issue?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Do you guys think Cruz's papa is going to be an issue? An issue for who? He'll never face an electorate for whom it's an issue. Edit: This polling shows why Walker is the candidate to beat as i've been saying: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/25/breaking-down-the-lanes-theory-of-the-2016-republican-field/ 
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Mar 25, 2015 15:49
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Walker is a flavor of the month. Last month. He's likely already peaked.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Walker is a flavor of the month. Last month. He's likely already peaked. I hope your right but I think you're wrong.
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Conservative theories work best as nebulous ideas that sound like common sense. Walker pushed too many of them upon the insistence of his backers and the result is obviously disastrous. He has failed conservatism and I doubt he will be able to make much of it once his actually shows he face to the country instead of just being a generic guy that beat some democrats and stood up to unions. I think a Walker presidency is a nightmare scenario but I'm fairly confident he won't get the nomination and will be the first to flare out once it gets going. He's the dream president for Republicans but as a candidate I think he leaves a lot to be desired, especially once he starts going against real opponents that know how to fight dirty. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Do you guys think Cruz's papa is going to be an issue? Someone will try to bring up that Cruz's father fought for Castro at one point, which is why Ted has spent so much time establishing his father's regret and how he later got oppressed by Communism. It won't be one of the credible candidates hammering Cruz on it, because it obviously sets up Cruz for a great pre-written soundbite. The people who really hate communists love Ted Cruz, so this won't be nearly as much of a problem as Obama's father, who once wrote a paper with SOCIALISM in the name1. But if a news organization like Drudge Report decides that Cruz is not their man, they'll be sure to run a story on Cruz's communist father just like they ran on Obama's socialist father. 1 Obama, Barack, Sr. "Problems facing our socialism". East Africa Journal (Nairobi) 2 (4): 26–33. July 1965 mcmagic posted:An issue for who? He'll never face an electorate for whom it's an issue. The primary is the only electorate for which it might be an issue. But your edit is right, Walker and Cruz are both fighting to be the Tea Party CandidateTM and Walker is in a better position to win that fight.
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mcmagic posted:I hope your right but I think you're wrong. The longer Walker stays in the better, the national spotlight will just keep highlighting how terrible he is and it might even burn him in Wisconsin, along with just how terrible the state is doing of course.
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At this point I'm voting in the GOP primary, probably for Bush since best case scenario he's a weak general candidate and in the worst case he sets us back to 2004 and not 1804.
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Problems for Walker: -Wisconsin is not doing as well as its neighbors economically. The job growth he promised isn't there at all -The Wisconsin budget is a shitheap. He is Sam Brownback with better damage control on this for now, but once a presidential campaign spotlight hits it, he's done. -He has a campaign finance scandal that nobody really knows about yet. All three of those things can be used by other Republicans. At the same time he'll continue to be hammered as a Koch puppet. Also he has no charisma and he can't open his eyes all the way.
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I think the outrageously and obviously bad job Walker is doing is one of the reasons why the party heads are going to want to sink him. People like the Kochs want him as President so he can rubber stamp everything with their hands up his rear end, but realistically he makes the concepts of conservatism look really bad as his tenure has been disastrous and he's made a big show of being Reagan II. You want him doing his best to gently caress over people in Wisconsin without the rest of the country paying much attention while similar stuff is being quietly pushed elsewhere rather than put it in the national spotlight for everyone to inspect. He also looks like a doofus so that doesn't really help his image.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:The longer Walker stays in the better, the national spotlight will just keep highlighting how terrible he is and it might even burn him in Wisconsin, along with just how terrible the state is doing of course. It was pretty clear how terrible he was when he got reelected and then reelected again. In a blue state.
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mcmagic posted:It was pretty clear how terrible he was when he got reelected and then reelected again. In a blue state. Rick Snyder definitely has a chance then.
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mcmagic posted:It was pretty clear how terrible he was when he got reelected and then reelected again. In a blue state. He got elected in off year elections with a goddamn treasure chest of outside money. He has never had to do much fending for himself. Wisconsin is a blue state, but it's not California. Flipping 3-5% of the vote wins you an election as a Republican. Ron Johnson is a world class dunce and got elected there. It's nothing special for a Republican to win in Wisconsin. Tommy Thompson won twice. He's not a completely unskilled politician. But he's no magic worker either just because he won a state that voted for Obama twice.
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computer parts posted:Rick Snyder definitely has a chance then. If Rick Scott, Walker, Brownback and Paul Lapage can get reelected then ANYONE can.
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