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22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Helith posted:

If you want to be free of Starbucks making you use stupid names (and lovely coffee) come to Australia the land where Starbucks failed.
The weird thing is that in my town (college town, ~120k people), I haven't found a place with better coffee than starbucks. There are some that are equal, but most are worse in some way. And most of the non-starbucks shops have really lovely customer service.

I just wish I could get coffee as good at any shop as I can with a cheap french press and Safeway's island blend at my house.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Was this a Xbone-Kinect thing?

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

I like to think that is a diagram of a really well blended joint above every frame and the illustration is some experiment to test it's potency.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Note that no one has actually tried to use this technique (probably because Microsoft or Google would be the only ones stupid enough to try it, and that's a Sony patent).

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.

YeahTubaMike posted:

cheesesteaks










cheez whiz

:barf:

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Huntersoninski posted:

...is "i'm lovin it" a size of thing now?

e: I've never heard anybody have a problem with the sizes "like it" "love it" and "i forget the third one" at Coldstone, maybe people are less uptight about ice cream than coffee.

No matter how dumb it feels to say the sizes and flavors on Cold Stone's menu, you can walk away glad that you aren't saying/doing the stupid poo poo that the employees have to say/do all day.

Psychedelicatessen
Feb 17, 2012

Helith posted:

If you want to be free of Starbucks making you use stupid names (and lovely coffee) come to Australia the land where Starbucks failed. I think there are only a few Starbucks still operating here, mainly in tourist areas, despite the fact that Australians drink a lot of coffee.
Starbucks fell flat on their face here and there are quite a few case studies detailing why.

How the local competition defeated a global brand: The case of Starbucks

tl:dr
Starbucks barged into the Australian market thinking they could treat it exactly like the American market and got told to gtfo by Aussies who are self proclaimed and proud coffee snobs.

Anyone for a flat white?

Holy poo poo this is a good read.

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Henchman of Santa posted:

No matter how dumb it feels to say the sizes and flavors on Cold Stone's menu, you can walk away glad that you aren't saying/doing the stupid poo poo that the employees have to say/do all day.

I'm pretty sure that there is a song that they HAVE to sing on request. Service work is the most demeaning poo poo ever, but cold stone takes it to an art

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005

Helith posted:

If you want to be free of Starbucks making you use stupid names (and lovely coffee) come to Australia the land where Starbucks failed. I think there are only a few Starbucks still operating here, mainly in tourist areas, despite the fact that Australians drink a lot of coffee.
Starbucks fell flat on their face here and there are quite a few case studies detailing why.

How the local competition defeated a global brand: The case of Starbucks

tl:dr
Starbucks barged into the Australian market thinking they could treat it exactly like the American market and got told to gtfo by Aussies who are self proclaimed and proud coffee snobs.

Anyone for a flat white?

I find it weird that the paper keeps saying that America didn't have a coffee culture. We do, it's called a diner. People in the US have been going to small restaurants, hanging out and drinking coffee since God knows how long. You go, order a cup of coffee, sit and drink it. Usually you get free refills, it doesn't cost $5, and there aren't any goofy naming conventions.

Also thought it weird when the paper stated that Starbucks sought to create a social place for people outside of work and home. Again, this is something that already exists, they're called bars.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

The Oath Breaker's about to hit warphead nine Kaptain!
I find it hard to believe that Starbucks is meant to be a social place since every one is literally a room full of people with earbuds plugged into their heads while they tap away at their Macbooks.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

They're probably on social networks.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Armyman25 posted:

I find it weird that the paper keeps saying that America didn't have a coffee culture. We do, it's called a diner. People in the US have been going to small restaurants, hanging out and drinking coffee since God knows how long. You go, order a cup of coffee, sit and drink it. Usually you get free refills, it doesn't cost $5, and there aren't any goofy naming conventions.


Given that the Author is Australian he's almost certainly using coffee and espresso interchangeably. The idea of charging people for coffee out a jug on a hotplate is unthinkable in Australia, though hot drip brewers are popular to have at home.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Given that the Author is Australian he's almost certainly using coffee and espresso interchangeably. The idea of charging people for coffee out a jug on a hotplate is unthinkable in Australia, though hot drip brewers are popular to have at home.

Some cafes do have filter brewed coffee for sale, but it's always by far the cheapest thing on the menu.

Aristophanes
Aug 11, 2012

Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever!

Helith posted:

If you want to be free of Starbucks making you use stupid names (and lovely coffee) come to Australia the land where Starbucks failed. I think there are only a few Starbucks still operating here, mainly in tourist areas, despite the fact that Australians drink a lot of coffee.
Starbucks fell flat on their face here and there are quite a few case studies detailing why.

How the local competition defeated a global brand: The case of Starbucks

tl:dr
Starbucks barged into the Australian market thinking they could treat it exactly like the American market and got told to gtfo by Aussies who are self proclaimed and proud coffee snobs.

Anyone for a flat white?

What I find interesting is that Starbucks here in NZ (at least in Auckland where I live, where the vast majority of Starbucks are located) is pretty okay and is fairly successful. It seems to me that they've really embraced the "frappucino and other syrupy gimmick drinks" niche, which sets them apart here. I tend to go to Starbucks for a mint hot chocolate, or a strawberry cheesecake frappuccino or whatever rather than a real coffee.

Gerblyn
Apr 4, 2007

"TO BATTLE!"
Fun Shoe
The few times I've had Starbucks in the UK, it was bitter, overpriced garbage. I love coffee, and I could barely finish it. I'm not sure if it's me being snobby, or if it's just bad coffee (probably both!), but I genuinely can't understand how people like the stuff.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Aristophanes posted:

What I find interesting is that Starbucks here in NZ (at least in Auckland where I live, where the vast majority of Starbucks are located) is pretty okay and is fairly successful.
I recall Adelaide's Starbucks.
Adelaide is curiously devoid of many of the major franchises giving such emergence of international brand names a somewhat exotic feel. For instance Krispy Kremes were so highly regarded, people would return from interstate trips with large boxes of the stuff.
The report also states how over-saturated the market is; Melbourne definitely is one area that outshines the country in regards to coffee as you find one on any corner at almost any hour of the day pumped out of machines that cost more than your car.
Sydney just has far more real estate to cover so Starbucks has survived as the competition is more spread out.

Adelaide's challenge is that pretty tough to market in as just within the main shopping strip of Rundle Mall there's at least several dozen well established coffee chains and outlets that had rusted on clientele and much of their successes are strongly reliant on one on one engagement with their clients as Aussies have our set ways in coffee that we usually go for the atmosphere. As the report correctly states people only shopped at Starbucks because of the brand power (or the power plugs to charge a laptop) before quickly getting turned off by the prices and general in-out nature.
While you do have percolated coffee that sits cooking in a pot all day, that's usually reserved for McDonalds and tight arse servos. Or if you're feeling really masochistic; the coffee vending machine, which is a grade below instant coffee and only really keeps you awake on account of being scaling.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches





One of my favourite things about being on the internet is peoples' reactions when they find out what an actual philly cheesesteak is for the first time.

Kugyou no Tenshi
Nov 8, 2005

We can't keep the crowd waiting, can we?

RandomFerret posted:

One of my favourite things about being on the internet is peoples' reactions when they find out what an actual philly cheesesteak is for the first time.

Yeah, it's always so cute when you see someone who's used to the Subway-style strips of meat with a neat layer of cheese (and always onions and peppers because a real Philly has onions and peppers always) watch their first real Philly get made. The phrase "is that...meat dust?" has cropped up a few times.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

Life hack: go into a cold stone, walk directly to the tip jar. Put a dollar or two in the jar while telling them "please do not sing while I am here."

Enjoy being their favorite customer forever and ever.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Ignite Memories posted:

Life hack: go into a cold stone, walk directly to the tip jar. Put a dollar or two in the jar while telling them "please do not sing while I am here."

Enjoy being their favorite customer forever and ever.

Or, and this is just a suggestion, go to a place that serves actual, tasty ice cream?

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Go get some gelato from a local place and never look back

Not My Leg
Nov 6, 2002

AYN RAND AKBAR!

effervescible posted:

I think the third one is "gotta have it". If I'm wrong, don't tell me, I don't care. Anyway, I use the Starbucks terms when ordering their, but I say small/medium/large at Coldstone because I can't use their special terms without feeling incredibly stupid. No ice cream counter minion has ever objected.

Rexicon1 posted:

I'm pretty sure that there is a song that they HAVE to sing on request. Service work is the most demeaning poo poo ever, but cold stone takes it to an art

They really do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfcfsiDVXso

Kugyou no Tenshi
Nov 8, 2005

We can't keep the crowd waiting, can we?

That reminds me - is Joe's Crab Shack still doing the song and dance routine every so often? I haven't been in years, but I remember being pissed that our server (a then-buddy of mine) had been told by his manager that he had to drop everything - including actually putting food on our table - to go do a little dance. He even offered to bring the manager over so we could bitch about it because he was loving tired of it too.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Regional dumb move in marketing: Restaurants taking a stand against certain condiments. I don't actually care about how authentic a Chicago dog is, I don't want to read a bunch of weirdly passive-agressive signs about the evils of ketchup.

Joey Freshwater
Jun 20, 2004

Always playing with my meat
Grimey Drawer

Kugyou no Tenshi posted:

That reminds me - is Joe's Crab Shack still doing the song and dance routine every so often? I haven't been in years, but I remember being pissed that our server (a then-buddy of mine) had been told by his manager that he had to drop everything - including actually putting food on our table - to go do a little dance. He even offered to bring the manager over so we could bitch about it because he was loving tired of it too.

They were still doing it as of a couple years ago. To make it worse they used to have little jukeboxes on the table and if the "song of the day" got played by a customer, they had to do the dance.

It's ridiculous.

DONT TOUCH THE PC
Jul 15, 2001

You should try it, it's a real buzz.
..and to think the Postal Office was the place where people went on killing sprees.

Joey Freshwater
Jun 20, 2004

Always playing with my meat
Grimey Drawer
I remember going to drop a buddy off there one day for work and they had the staff outside by the dumpsters teaching them the choreographed dance moves.

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

theironjef posted:

Regional dumb move in marketing: Restaurants taking a stand against certain condiments. I don't actually care about how authentic a Chicago dog is, I don't want to read a bunch of weirdly passive-agressive signs about the evils of ketchup.

I ordered a hot dog in O'Hare airport once. I asked for some ketchup and they started talking poo poo. gently caress you. I payed for this poo poo I'm gonna eat it how I want.

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

Volume posted:

I ordered a hot dog in O'Hare airport once. I asked for some ketchup and they started talking poo poo. gently caress you. I payed for this poo poo I'm gonna eat it how I want.

Chicago people are so loving defensive about their regional food. If you think asking for ketchup is bad, try asking some pizza places if they have anything besides deep dish.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Chicago has this weird delusion that it's actually one of the greatest cities in America just because it's surrounded by a state that is so ungodly terrible that it really does seem tolerable by comparison. The only things they have left to hold onto to shield their pride are lovely bread-pizza and hot dogs, it's not worth arguing with them over.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Ryoshi posted:

Chicago has this weird delusion that it's actually one of the greatest cities in America just because it's surrounded by a state that is so ungodly terrible that it really does seem tolerable by comparison. The only things they have left to hold onto to shield their pride are lovely bread-pizza and hot dogs, it's not worth arguing with them over.

The pizza and hot dogs are so junked up, too. It's not a hot dog without poppyseeds, tomatoes, peppers, celery salt, onions, mustard, relish and a pickle? Man gently caress that that's a goddamn salad with a hot dog hiding in it. And then to say "well you can't add ketchup that ruins it" how would you even notice? It already tastes like you're making a hot dog by scraping all the free stuff for chips at 7-11 into a bun.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005
Edit: damnit

hyperhazard
Dec 4, 2011

I am the one lascivious
With magic potion niveous
Potbelly sandwich places are popping up like crazy where I live. No matter which one you go to, the guys behind the counter make fun of you of you don't want all of the extra toppings. No, I don't want to add pickles to my Mediterranean sub. Yes, I'm sure. No, I won't regret it. Yes, I'm boring for not mixing hummus and mustard. Please stop.

They're free condiments, so I don't get why they push them so hard. It's not like their sandwiches come completely plain to begin with.

I like the place, it's just this weird song and dance I have to go through every time.

Sponge Baathist
Jan 30, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Im from chicago area and I just had two chili cheese dogs for breakfast. The worst people are the ones who get all uppity about superdawg or gene and judes. Neither establishments are anything notable and both have really long lines and lovely lovely fries.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
The dancing at restaurants just makes no sense. I've never met anyone over age 7 who enjoyed it I actively avoid eating at places like Joe's Crab Shack or Texas roadhouse, even though the food is good, because of it. I can't be the only one.

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer

hyperhazard posted:

Potbelly sandwich places are popping up like crazy where I live. No matter which one you go to, the guys behind the counter make fun of you of you don't want all of the extra toppings. No, I don't want to add pickles to my Mediterranean sub. Yes, I'm sure. No, I won't regret it. Yes, I'm boring for not mixing hummus and mustard. Please stop.

They're free condiments, so I don't get why they push them so hard. It's not like their sandwiches come completely plain to begin with.

I like the place, it's just this weird song and dance I have to go through every time.

This is why I always liked the five guys places around here, you walk up you say what you want and they move on. No one gives a poo poo if you want everything on the condiment list or nothing. It's nice sometimes to just say I want this with this and not have some one try to up sell you some mustard or something.

Also seriously gently caress dancing and poo poo at restaurants if I wanted that I would go to a dinner theater.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Jastiger posted:

The dancing at restaurants just makes no sense. I've never met anyone over age 7 who enjoyed it I actively avoid eating at places like Joe's Crab Shack or Texas roadhouse, even though the food is good, because of it. I can't be the only one.
The Texas Roadhouse one irritates me. I went there before a movie once (it was right next to the theater, so I'm assuming people eat there before movies all the time), and ALL the servers had to stop like every half an hour and do a stupid loving dance. How about focusing on getting your food out to the customers more quickly since it's obvious that many of them are on a set schedule? It's just foolish business. The place was always packed with a long wait as well, so wouldn't it make more sense as a GM to try to squeeze in as many tables as possible?

Arsonist Daria
Feb 27, 2011

Requiescat in pace.

Leon Einstein posted:

The Texas Roadhouse one irritates me. I went there before a movie once (it was right next to the theater, so I'm assuming people eat there before movies all the time), and ALL the servers had to stop like every half an hour and do a stupid loving dance. How about focusing on getting your food out to the customers more quickly since it's obvious that many of them are on a set schedule? It's just foolish business. The place was always packed with a long wait as well, so wouldn't it make more sense as a GM to try to squeeze in as many tables as possible?

Isn't that the place that gives you baskets of peanuts and encourages you to just toss the shells anywhere? I'm sure the employees really appreciate that policy.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Kugyou no Tenshi posted:

That reminds me - is Joe's Crab Shack still doing the song and dance routine every so often? I haven't been in years, but I remember being pissed that our server (a then-buddy of mine) had been told by his manager that he had to drop everything - including actually putting food on our table - to go do a little dance. He even offered to bring the manager over so we could bitch about it because he was loving tired of it too.

I went to Joe's with my parents for the first time in like 15 years last summer and yes, they still dance and try to be super goofy all the time. The only place I've been to that pulls off dancing well is Ed Debevic's in Chicago, because people dancing on a counter with a bored expression after you've paid them to be rude to you is really funny.

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bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Gerblyn posted:

The few times I've had Starbucks in the UK, it was bitter, overpriced garbage. I love coffee, and I could barely finish it. I'm not sure if it's me being snobby, or if it's just bad coffee (probably both!), but I genuinely can't understand how people like the stuff.

their brewed coffee and hot espresso drinks are poo poo, the water is always too hot, the espresso ends up burnt, or they steam the milk too long and ruin it.

Starbucks excels at their foofoo poo poo because it masks the taste of their drinks. The espresso doesn't taste bad because you can't taste the espresso. A barista that was hired straight to Starbucks, and not a different local store beforehand, will pretty much never make a good hot espresso drink because Starbucks trains them wrong. The temps used for everything are set too high and mandated by corporate, because people don't want their coffee getting cold on the way to work. For the most part I think their espresso machines are automatic too, which is a no-no if the settings are wrong or inconsistent.

Basically, order Frappucinos from Starbucks, or any other drink which doesn't directly involve their lovely espresso, and ask for it a little on the cooler side if they can. Then tip the gently caress out of them for it, because trying to get around that is like trying to cook steaks medium-rare with a house fire

Then, never buy espresso drinks unless you're at a café/coffee shop which offers the option of porcelain for your coffee

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