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markgreyam posted:People pay no attention to anything and then bitch and moan like all of this was completely hidden from them. Unfortunately the TV news is too busy reporting on vital stories like house fires and car accidents and their only other source of news which is what celebrities are currently doing doesn't cover actual important poo poo. Also something something reality TV I'm too tired. Well yeah, my only point was that I'm looking forward to the moaning after the fact purely because it is such a shift from the norm that your salt of the earth types will be completely caught off guard by it. It will be delicious. Disclosure: I rarely watch TV or movies except on FTA, have never used a torrent system and wouldn't even know where to begin.
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Les Affaires posted:Also w/r/t asylum seeker policy v marriage equality policy, we could have a long boring rear end talk about Same vs Other but we don't really need to. It's as silly a comparison as marriage equality and internet firewalls, though. The idea that Australians need to have bad poo poo done to them so they wake up and change their attitudes falls apart when you realise they just have a tantrum and keep on voting against their interests anyway. e; but if you're arguing it'll be good simply as an act of schadenfreude then I agree completely
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:44 |
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norp posted:Or even just iMessage, it encrypts the session and doesn't run through AU servers. Does this hold true for things like Google Hangouts and Steam chat? It's just interesting to see the amount of poo poo this legislation will miss.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:46 |
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Nice one GetUp
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:48 |
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In other news, guess who got a juicy promotion because of his wonderful work in Operation Sovereign Borders? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-26/abbott-announces-new-chiefs-of-army-and-air-force/6349336
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:48 |
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Was becoming a corporate shill GetUp's intention all along?
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:49 |
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CrazyTolradi posted:Does this hold true for things like Google Hangouts and Steam chat? It's just interesting to see the amount of poo poo this legislation will miss. It'll probably miss everything outside of typing "torrent chappie please" into google.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:49 |
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markgreyam posted:People pay no attention to anything and then bitch and moan like all of this was completely hidden from them. Unfortunately the TV news is too busy reporting on vital stories like house fires and car accidents and their only other source of news which is what celebrities are currently doing doesn't cover actual important poo poo. Also something something reality TV I'm too tired. It's almost as if the media is quite deliberately keeping this information from them for some reason.
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CrazyTolradi posted:In other news, guess who got a juicy promotion because of his wonderful work in Operation Sovereign Borders? Mr Abbott also recognised the contribution of David Morrison, who will leave the Defence Force after a 36-year career. "No-one who saw his famous talk to the Defence Forces, 'the standard you walk past is the standard you accept' will ever doubt his commitment to making our Army a modern as well as effective fighting force."
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:53 |
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cpaf posted:It's as silly a comparison as marriage equality and internet firewalls, though. The idea that Australians need to have bad poo poo done to them so they wake up and change their attitudes falls apart when you realise they just have a tantrum and keep on voting against their interests anyway. You know very well it's the latter. It might prompt people to talk about copyright cartels but what's more likely is a conversation about wage levels because your average family will kick up a stink about not being able to afford premium Foxtel.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 03:59 |
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Splode posted:Go look up "Steel" fruity you doofus. Go look up biochar m8
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:02 |
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endman
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Les Affaires posted:Well yeah, my only point was that I'm looking forward to the moaning after the fact purely because it is such a shift from the norm that your salt of the earth types will be completely caught off guard by it. I set up/fix home media setups for "salt of the earth types" 2-3 times a week and they are not ignorant about the government/ISPs moving to stamp out torrenting but they aren't incensed by it and they aren't making any attempts to stop it or even get around it; some of them complain about it but they're still resigned to the fact that it's gonna happen and they don't feel like they can or should fight against it (or they simply expect other people to do it for them).
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:05 |
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Splode posted:Go look up "Steel" fruity you doofus. We did electric arc furnace steel making in last month's thread I think, no coking coal required.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:09 |
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Stoca Zola posted:We did electric arc furnace steel making in last month's thread I think, no coking coal required. A little bit of googling shows that this uses scrap steel, so it can't really entirely eliminate the need for coking coal. Steel has carbon in it, and that's unavoidable, but this This is cool as poo poo. The industry partnership with Bluescope is important too, those guys are surprisingly keen on being as environmentally friendly as possible because it ends up saving them money (iron ore being blown into the local river is bad for the river and also bad for yield rates) and also getting a lot of heat off their backs.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:25 |
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Avshalom posted:endman end..who?
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:28 |
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QUACKTASTIC posted:end..who? You'll find that this is Avshalom admitting that the gynocracy is real and it wants all men to be killed.
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Splode posted:A little bit of googling shows that this uses scrap steel, so it can't really entirely eliminate the need for coking coal. Steel has carbon in it, and that's unavoidable, but this Yup, this is the kind of poo poo I wanted to do when I did chemistry at uni, before I spent days in labs and realised I loving hated being in labs
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CrazyTolradi posted:Does this hold true for things like Google Hangouts and Steam chat? It's just interesting to see the amount of poo poo this legislation will miss. It applies to any service that has an internationally-based relay server. The metadata notes that you made a connection at x time from y IP and z location to their servers, but without DPI they can't tell who you're talking to - just that you're communicating with Facebook or whatever. Keep in mind that a lot of the larger chat providers (gchat/hangouts, facebook, apple/imessage, etc) all log conversations internally, so they can still be subpoenad. All of that data sits outside the government's retention scheme and has to be accessed with a warrant, though. Stuff that falls under the scheme: - Emailing someone using an Australian mail server (ie. an ISP server is included, but Gmail's servers are not) - Accessing a website, regardless of the server's location (the requests are still going through your ISP) That's kinda it. They're supposedly not logging URLs but server IPs instead to get around "you're storing my porn history", which means that if you access an unrelated site on the same shared hosting as a Terrorism or CP site you could be wrongly implicated. This has happened before, such as when ASIC blocked an IP range on all ISPs and it took out a few hundred thousand unrelated websites because they were on shared hosting. Virtually all communications made on the internet today are through relay servers (due to NAT on home networks and some ISPs), so all they get from them is "you accessed skype at this time from this IP", but nothing else. I don't think it's been asked if communications services (ie. an Australian based XMPP server) have to store details of communications between users, but I don't think they do - if only because every random dude that runs an IRC server would have to retain metadata for 2 years and there's no way the government can integrate that poo poo into their own systems. Basically, they get nothing of use from internet communications except that IP address x was person y at a given time. What's important to them is more on the mobile side of things, such as your real-time location: if you're carrying a phone, agencies can now track your location in real-time (and access historical data for 2 years).
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Murodese posted:The metadata notes that you made a connection at x time from y IP and z location to their servers
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:51 |
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I've been using charcoal to make steel in dwarf fortress for a long time so maybe they need to ask me some questions. I can't guarantee they won't be brutally torn apart by a giant eagle while they descend the open air staircase though.
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Well, this happened.quote:Chief Justice Tim Carmody had privately referred to his judicial colleagues as "snakes" and "scum" while publicly calling for judges to "maintain civility and courtesy", a retiring Supreme Court Justice has said as the discontent between the judiciary and their leader The legacy of Campbell Newman.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 04:55 |
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Mr Chips posted:Is this actually mentioned explicitly anywhere, eg any advice in how the legislation is to be interpreted or what data retention plan submissions should look like? The legislation itself is horribly vague, and could mean just about anything (I've already had a whinge about this) Yeah, they went into a bit more detail in the final legislation: http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bills/r5375_first-reps/toc_pdf/14242b01.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf In 187A. quote:The kinds of information prescribed for the purposes of The explanatory memo gives a bit more info on each of these, INCLUDING THIS GEM: quote:Under paragraph 187A(4)(b), the retention obligation is explicitly expressed to So uh, if they're excluding the URL and IP address of destinations, I'm not sure what the gently caress they think they're using the describe the destination. what a clusterfuck
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QUACKTASTIC posted:It'll probably miss everything outside of typing "torrent chappie please" into google. Did you notice the https:// thing in your browser bar for google.com? Unless they pass a law asking google to store all search results as part of the law then once again - subpoena required.
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Murodese posted:So uh, if they're excluding the URL and IP address of destinations, I'm not sure what the gently caress they think they're using the describe the destination.
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Murodese posted:Yeah, they went into a bit more detail in the final legislation: http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bills/r5375_first-reps/toc_pdf/14242b01.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf so uh what is the destination?
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Mr Chips posted:I'm tempted to interpret the requirements as "$customer had an ADSL service at $location connecting them to the local DSLAM for these dates" They're keeping that too, but that's dealt with in the section before that. This is specifically for source/destination of a communication. e; ^^ maybe just the name of a person or (more realistically) the name of a service, ie. Facebook? I dunno what the gently caress.
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Lid posted:Well, this happened. An OMGUS from the chief justice ##vote tim carmody
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Murodese posted:They're keeping that too, but that's dealt with in the section before that. This is specifically for source/destination of a communication. Seems weird though "x account accessed...the internet...at this time?"
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 05:14 |
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I guess they want location data, but hosed if I know if that can be collected when location services are turned off
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 05:21 |
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Fruity Gordo posted:I guess they want location data, but hosed if I know if that can be collected when location services are turned off If you turn off location data, they can still trace what cell tower you're connected to. It doesn't completely disable them tracking your movements, it just makes it a lot more vague so they can only tell "X person was in this cell tower area at this time.".
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CrazyTolradi posted:If you turn off location data, they can still trace what cell tower you're connected to. It doesn't completely disable them tracking your movements, it just makes it a lot more vague so they can only tell "X person was in this cell tower area at this time.". Mobile phone companies know where you are to within 3 metres based on tower info. It's super creepy how much they know about where you are. ninja edit: If you use provider information services they even use this to spam you advertising based on your current location.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 05:23 |
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They probably just need the timestamp to cross reference with their mates at the NSA
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 05:36 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:If you have an edu.au email you can sign up for this and get 100$ of credit for a VPS which you can run a VPN on. Or you can just buy a prepaid Visa card anywhere and use it to sign up for the AWS free tier. Then you can spend the money on the card on whatever you like. Also carrying a smart phone comes with the burden of carrying a camera, microphone, data repository and GPS unit with you at all times. If you aren't ok with the idea of nation states surreptitiously accessing all of that, don't carry one because they're going to whether it's legal or not. This goes double if you have an android phone because android lol. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Birb Katter posted:Mobile phone companies know where you are to within 3 metres based on tower info. It's super creepy how much they know about where you are. They will know exactly which of my posts were made while I was on the terlet This is terrible bc I do my best terrorism planning while pooping
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:00 |
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Fruity Gordo posted:They will know exactly which of my posts were made while I was on the terlet Just based on the fact you're posting in Auspol they know you're already poo poo posting.
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Fruity Gordo posted:I guess they want location data, but hosed if I know if that can be collected when location services are turned off Nah, nothing to do with location services. As Birb said, every time you hit a new cell tower you start a new data session and your location can be tracked with ease. The only way to disable this is to put your phone on airplane mode.
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:09 |
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I thought that was just for calls and texts, not 3G, because I do not know how technology works and it frightens me. The telly taught me that calls can be TRIANGULATED via towres, but not my postings
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# ? Mar 26, 2015 06:15 |
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Everybody ITT going to jail
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Fruity Gordo posted:They will know exactly which of my posts were made while I was on the terlet No but they'll know that all of them belong there ahahgh
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