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JewKiller 3000 posted:for a forum full of rule 36 following tech workers, you all seem to care a whole lot about poors we are all part of the system, and many of us are (temporarily) part of a genteel film of comfort capping a great well of suffering. living on that thin film does not imply we need clap for each new depredation, or cheer on the ruthless exploiters in silicon valley the valley wasn't always this way. there was a time when computerization and the internet promised to liberate us, not make us subjects of the valley's feudal elite. and it wasn't that long ago. remember "don't be evil" ? not only is it totally ok for the yospos audience to piss all over the bubble, we of all people are best placed to understand why it is terrible, and explain it to others. our comfort and familiarity with the industry impose a duty on all of us to explain how uber and airbnb and eaze can gently caress right off tl;dr: gently caress all the shitsacks who want to get rich by breaking the law and making society poorer. i'm part of the industry but i ain't gonna stand next to those fuckers Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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JewKiller 3000 posted:so how come it's ok for mcdonalds to exploit the poor but not uber? getting a ride home when you're drunk makes life tolerable too melanin
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we are all part of the system, and many of us are (temporarily) part of a genteel film of comfort capping a great well of suffering. living on that thin film does not imply we need clap for each new depredation, or cheer on the ruthless exploiters in silicon valley
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the valley wasn't always this way. there was a time when computerization and the internet promised to liberate us, not make us subjects of the valley's feudal elite. and it wasn't that long ago. remember "don't be evil" ? this is a very good articulation of why i am so displeased with google.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we are all part of the system, and many of us are (temporarily) part of a genteel film of comfort capping a great well of suffering. living on that thin film does not imply we need clap for each new depredation, or cheer on the ruthless exploiters in silicon valley this is a good post
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JewKiller 3000 posted:so how come it's ok for mcdonalds to exploit the poor but not uber? getting a ride home when you're drunk makes life tolerable too it's not ok for mcdonalds to exploit the poor, there are several lawsuits in the pipeline and organized efforts to force them to treat employees as human beings part of the problem is that mcdonalds claims that most employees don't actually work for them, they work for the franchisee and thus corp has no responsibility, no siree it's actually conceptually similar to how uber approaches their employees, just without the middle-man of the franchisee. for uber, every employee is a franchisee
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the valley wasn't always this way. there was a time when computerization and the internet promised to liberate us, not make us subjects of the valley's feudal elite. and it wasn't that long ago. remember "don't be evil" ? Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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duTrieux. posted:it's not ok for mcdonalds to exploit the poor, there are several lawsuits in the pipeline and organized efforts to force them to treat employees as human beings mcdonalds ruthlessly exploits their franchisees. they're treated much, much worse than the workers. it's totally routine for mcD's corporate to gently caress franchisees out of thousands or even millions of dollars. and i don't care at all, because they can take it. mcD's franchisees are required, as a condition of applying, to be millionaires. they have to prove they can afford to buy the franchise, they have to buy the franchise with non-borrowed money, and they're expected to be able to lose 100% of their investment and then some. in short, they're rich as gently caress, and they're expected to evaluate what they're getting into uber's "franchisees" are struggling members of the middle class who can't even afford their cars. screwing over rich men who can afford to lose the money is very different from loving over regular workers who definitely can't p.s. not all franchise operations are as upstanding as mcD's. subway, for instance, is dirty as hell. they guarantee practically nothing as part of the franchise agreement, open up unlimited numbers of stores in a geographic area, and set up thousands of shell companies to make it hard to sue them. it's pretty normal for ordinary people to scrape together $50k for subway and lose everything
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:p.s. not all franchise operations are as upstanding as mcD's. subway, for instance, is dirty as hell. they guarantee practically nothing as part of the franchise agreement, open up unlimited numbers of stores in a geographic area, and set up thousands of shell companies to make it hard to sue them. it's pretty normal for ordinary people to scrape together $50k for subway and lose everything so that's why theres so many goddamn subways
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JewKiller 3000 posted:so how come it's ok for mcdonalds to exploit the poor but not uber? getting a ride home when you're drunk makes life tolerable too because gently caress uber that's why
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uncurable mlady posted:this is a good post notorious bsd is a good poster sometimes
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THC posted:the promise was always a lie. even in the 80s and 90s a lot of people realized it. the brave new frontier of cyberspace was just consumers commodifying their thoughts and feelings so they could be packaged up and sold to other consumers as entertainment by large telecom concerns. not all of cyberspace turned out that way. it was never predestined it would end that way thewell still exists, and now it's owned by its users livejournal is mostly paid by subscription tumblr is a hot mess but it's a user-generated hot mess mostly untainted by tumblr's commercial needs github is just awesome: it serves commercial purposes without trammeling users own voices and desires. too bad it's so industry supecific last, and least, we're all sitting here chatting on lowtax's paid hosting. but lowtax is not really able to commodify our feelings and thoughts. the content is the community is the content. and this is just the web poo poo. plenty of cool poo poo has happened in tech without becoming a soulless nightmare
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THC posted:the promise was always a lie. even in the 80s and 90s a lot of people realized it. the brave new frontier of cyberspace was just consumers commodifying their thoughts and feelings so they could be packaged up and sold to other consumers as entertainment by large telecom concerns. I would argue that there's plenty of examples of people that saw cyberspace and technology for the truly radical thing it was but all of it got co-opted there's still vestiges of that culture out there but I don't think it really exists like it was back then. literally everything that is created online is commodified if it isn't already a commodity. Denny's Twitter is a good example of this. it's also kinda interesting how much more quickly critical expression emerges (see @brands saying bae or saved you a click) but even criticism is a commodity on the modern Internet (tumblr rageistas, political commentators, et al)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:not all of cyberspace turned out that way. it was never predestined it would end that way i want 2 respond to this but im going to sleep so I will try 2 remember tomorrow
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:not all of cyberspace turned out that way. it was never predestined it would end that way Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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THC posted:all of this involves consumers paying monthly fees to large telecom companies for the privilege i don't think anybody ever thought that technology would free us from capitalism
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:tumblr is a hot mess but it's a user-generated hot mess mostly untainted by tumblr's commercial needs 'user-generated hot mess' is a good desc of tumblr some of the most innovative poo poo on the web happens on tumblr
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duTrieux. posted:i don't think anybody ever thought that technology would free us from capitalism at least not since the 70s
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we are all part of the system, and many of us are (temporarily) part of a genteel film of comfort capping a great well of suffering. living on that thin film does not imply we need clap for each new depredation, or cheer on the ruthless exploiters in silicon valley notorious for pres 
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mishaq posted:what about rcn and municipal fiber operators that provide tv service? all I know about rcn is they caused a 13 hour phone outage for Verizon in northern new England because their "redundant" paths were 2 sets of fiber in the same conduit that some retard cut in 2. then the stupid fuckers spliced the fiber backwards. terrible company
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Shaggar posted:all I know about rcn is they caused a 13 hour phone outage for Verizon in northern new England because their "redundant" paths were 2 sets of fiber in the same conduit that some retard cut in 2. then the stupid fuckers spliced the fiber backwards. terrible company Comcast basically killed off RCN here around 2002ish when DSL was just starting to really become a thing. RCN was one of the first affordable providers of the tv/phone/DSL packages but only really took off in the white trash suburb neighborhoods. Comcast eventually had their cable service and that was that. I think my house had some weird early MSN/Verizon DSL thing.
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triple sulk posted:Comcast basically killed off RCN here around 2002ish when DSL was just starting to really become a thing. RCN was one of the first affordable providers of the tv/phone/DSL packages but only really took off in the white trash suburb neighborhoods. Comcast eventually had their cable service and that was that. I think my house had some weird early MSN/Verizon DSL thing. i have comcast these days and honestly they are much shittier than any of the experiences i ever had at rcn rcn raised their monthly price by about $5 over 2 years while the comcast equivalent has been $25 over 15 months only option other than rcn at the time was service electric but lol at 2 Mbps up
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uncurable mlady posted:this is a good post
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duTrieux. posted:i don't think anybody ever thought that technology would free us from capitalism no but THC posted:it's not as democratic and liberating as its cracked up to be
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the valley wasn't always this way. there was a time when computerization and the internet promised to liberate us, not make us subjects of the valley's feudal elite. and it wasn't that long ago. remember "don't be evil" ? i think thats somewhat a side effect of how much money is involved atm being an honest company is a losing strategy; any company that tries will just get steamrolled and replaced by a new company that's more willing to be scummy
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I already have the best idea on my new startup. A subscription based umbrella service. For only $19.95 a month they will mail you an umbrella a month, with various designs and patterns on it. In the summer, they will mail you a golf umbrella. Paging uber
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:tl;dr: gently caress all the shitsacks who want to get rich by breaking the law and making society poorer. i'm part of the industry but i ain't gonna stand next to those fuckers this is a great post, and i'm certainly not suggesting anyone should applaud uber any more than they applaud mcds or whatever other corporation when it behaves the way corporations behave (as badly as possible). but imo if you're part of the industry then you are standing next to those fuckers, and we should all admit this. it's not something to celebrate, but definitely something to recognize. our industry as a whole exists to automate entire classes of people out of their jobs, and the only jobs we create are for other tech workers, or low paying work for those who fill in the tech gaps (beep boop i pres butan i drive uber car). we get paid cushy salaries because this is what we do. we create profits for companies at the expense of middle class labor
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JewKiller 3000 posted:for a forum full of rule 36 following tech workers, you all seem to care a whole lot about poors using the mystical power of hindsight I understand that I am where I am mostly because I was just stupidly lucky enough to have parents who had the foresight and money to buy a second-hand home computer in the 80s and as a consequence I have a job and hobby that pays well pretty much by accident basically I became an adult at some point somehow and keep hoping all the other olds around me join in at some point also everything BSD said
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JewKiller 3000 posted:this is a great post, and i'm certainly not suggesting anyone should applaud uber any more than they applaud mcds or whatever other corporation when it behaves the way corporations behave (as badly as possible). but imo if you're part of the industry then you are standing next to those fuckers, and we should all admit this. it's not something to celebrate, but definitely something to recognize. our industry as a whole exists to automate entire classes of people out of their jobs, and the only jobs we create are for other tech workers, or low paying work for those who fill in the tech gaps (beep boop i pres butan i drive uber car). we get paid cushy salaries because this is what we do. we create profits for companies at the expense of middle class labor which is why I support a mincome and think a culture that defines a person's utility by their job/income is toxic poo poo garbage that needs to go up against the wall gently caress's sake I make more than twice what my gf makes for helping special needs adults - take more of my filthy lucre and ease real human suffering jfc
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:we are all part of the system, and many of us are (temporarily) part of a genteel film of comfort capping a great well of suffering. living on that thin film does not imply we need clap for each new depredation, or cheer on the ruthless exploiters in silicon valley quality snipe
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Munkeymon posted:take more of my filthy lucre and ease real human suffering jfc problem seems to be that every time someone tries to do this they only get halfway
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JewKiller 3000 posted:this is a great post, and i'm certainly not suggesting anyone should applaud uber any more than they applaud mcds or whatever other corporation when it behaves the way corporations behave (as badly as possible). but imo if you're part of the industry then you are standing next to those fuckers, and we should all admit this. it's not something to celebrate, but definitely something to recognize. our industry as a whole exists to automate entire classes of people out of their jobs, and the only jobs we create are for other tech workers, or low paying work for those who fill in the tech gaps (beep boop i pres butan i drive uber car). we get paid cushy salaries because this is what we do. we create profits for companies at the expense of middle class labor there is nothing wrong with the automation of labor, it's just that as a society we don't distribute the benefits of automation to those who's jobs have been made obsolete. the automation is not the problem, it's the capitalism. hth
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PokeJoe posted:there is nothing wrong with the automation of labor, it's just that as a society we don't distribute the benefits of automation to those who's jobs have been made obsolete. the automation is not the problem, it's the capitalism. hth and the thing that gets me about uber (compared to mcdonalds) is how all of the risk is put on the individual driver. he owns the car, he is at the whim of the ebb and flow of the business, he has to maintain the car and deal with individual passengers (who may be violent or vomitingly drunk or enjoy committing acts of vandalism), the company was revise its terms of employment at any time or stop doing business with him at any time - all the money flows up to uber, all the risk belongs to him, and in return he gets no benefits and a trickle of unreliable earnings which probably arent enough to cover operating expenses. at least working at mickey ds doesnt require me to carry my own liability insurance, finance a $40000 vehicle at subprime rates to start working there, or pay self employment tax
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JewKiller 3000 posted:so how come it's ok for mcdonalds to exploit the poor but not uber? getting a ride home when you're drunk makes life tolerable too unless you get murdered because uber didn't do half as much safety checking and testing as taxi companies are required to do even if you give absolutely zero shits whatsoever about how the drivers are treated, uber's law-breaking is also bad and dangerous for consumers because a large portion of why they break the law is in order to dodge the fact that commercial driving operations are typically held to decently rigorous standards regarding driver quality, training, and safety monitoring, whereas uber tacks on a $1 fee for every ride just to do a cursory background check on drivers and nothing else like, even if you don't care how mcdonalds workers are treated, it's still not good if you start finding fingers in your burger
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FMguru posted:at least working at mickey ds doesnt require me to carry my own liability insurance, finance a $40000 vehicle at subprime rates to start working there, or pay self employment tax yet anyone who hasn't should read pandora's vox
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