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I hope Penny-Two isn't kicked off of the batcomputer for a dumb ol' AI.
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Heads-up, read Batgirl #40 before the Endgame tie-in if you're getting both. Endgame takes place after the regular book, or it certainly looks that way, considering (spoilers for both)Endgame has Batgirl and Oracle working to evacuate people from the Jokerised area
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Mar 18, 2015 17:55
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Was Taters posted:Then who'd you like the brunette to be? Stephanie Brown, who gets killed 2 pages in.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:14
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Gaz-L posted:Heads-up, read Batgirl #40 before the Endgame tie-in if you're getting both. Endgame takes place after the regular book, or it certainly looks that way, considering (spoilers for both)Endgame has Batgirl and Oracle working to evacuate people from the Jokerised area
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Mar 18, 2015 18:51
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I think the idea is that it eliminates the victimisation aspect while retaining (and expanding) the representation element? It depends on if writers other than Fletcher pick up on it and run. It's an imperfect fix, but there's no good way to go back to the prior set-up that's not a minefield.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:54
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Flameingblack posted:That's such a weird band-aide fix that doesn't even cover the wound. Let's be honest, DC desperately trying to patch up their fuckups is something like 50% of their recent output since the reboot. Gaz-L posted:I think the idea is that it eliminates the victimisation aspect while retaining (and expanding) the representation element? It depends on if writers other than Fletcher pick up on it and run. Then why didn't they just erase the Killing Joke from continuity again? But then, considering the variant cover, I think throwing that story out of continuity would amount to heresy at DC. Speaking of expanding the representation element, when can we expect Cassandra Cain back? Because they still never gave a compelling reason to keep Cass out of the books (they've offered vague talk about 'plans', but considering Scott Snyder wanted her for Eternal but was refused, it's clear that was a load of hot air).
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Mar 19, 2015 20:07
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Yvonmukluk posted:
Half that, and half I think DC love the positive feedback they got from having Barbara overcome a tragedy like that, but want to have their cake and eat it, by not having to do the hard work of... telling T-shirt makers that Batgirl has blonde hair or is Asian-American now? This way they get an Oracle who uses crutches/a wheelchair, but because it's an illness, not due to violence, they don't have to cross the minefield of "YOU FRIDGED BABS!" Although... given they were coy about the name, I'm wondering if DC are hedging their bets and didn't want to let them use it?
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Mar 19, 2015 20:14
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Yvonmukluk posted:Let's be honest, DC desperately trying to patch up their fuckups is something like 50% of their recent output since the reboot. Let's be real, there's no way the plans they had for Stephanie until she finally showed up in Endgame or whatever were that important they actively put a company-wide ban on using her. It's not like she came out as the loving white lantern or anything. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 21:06
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Was Cluemaster bring behind the events of Batman: Eternal as out of right field to me as it seemed?
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Mar 19, 2015 21:23
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SalTheBard posted:Was Cluemaster bring behind the events of Batman: Eternal as out of right field to me as it seemed? Agreed and I am calling bullshit fakeout on it.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:28
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Madkal posted:Agreed and I am calling bullshit fakeout on it. Well we are at the point where there are only two issues left so it will be a quick swerve if its fake.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:31
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It'll secretly be Steph and she'll be killed with a drill again and the internet will burn to the motherfuckin' ground.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:33
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SalTheBard posted:Was Cluemaster bring behind the events of Batman: Eternal as out of right field to me as it seemed? He was there right at the start planning something with his villain bros, wasn't he? It was definitely designed for you to forget all about him.
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Mar 19, 2015 22:18
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Stephanie said her father was working for "Bruce Wayne." That means Cluemaster is one of the main henchmen to this all like Hush, but clearly not the main mastermind. It's either going to be Dr. Hurt or Owlman at this point.
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Mar 19, 2015 22:29
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The chaos with the traffic lights and everything was definitely his doing but I'm pretty sure he's still working for someone. Edit: it's going to be Dan Didio
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Mar 19, 2015 22:56
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Teenage Fansub posted:He was there right at the start planning something with his villain bros, wasn't he? It was definitely designed for you to forget all about him. I guess. He has been in the background the entire series so I guess it wasn't totally out of right field.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:15
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I feel like the next issue will be full of exposition from the dude, so hopefully his plan and clues and poo poo will be more interesting than the reveal.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:21
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I think it would be really awesome if there were clues and secrets hidden in past issues.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:59
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There's no way of re-establishing Babs as Oracle without it being in really bad taste. This is an imperfect solution to something DC brought on themselves, but the execution has been handled gracefully and Frankie is pretty likable.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:33
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Short of literally erasing the New 52 from existence and pretending like nothing ever changed, of course. If they wanted to reference Killing Joke without betraying the current spirit of Batgirl they should do a cover with Babs doing the famous "Smile!" cover, holding up her phone, with a picture of Joker in bat-cuffs or whatever on the screen. It's the simplest most obvious thing. You reference the classic story everyone just can't get enough of but the hero gets to turn the tables on the villain.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:38
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Travis343 posted:Short of literally erasing the New 52 from existence and pretending like nothing ever changed, of course. Someone in the chat or DC thread posted a fanart image of basically exactly that, and she's using a smartphone's front camera, so the screen mimics the lens in the original, which is both cool, and reflects the social media focus of this run. Semper Fudge posted:There's no way of re-establishing Babs as Oracle without it being in really bad taste. This is an imperfect solution to something DC brought on themselves, but the execution has been handled gracefully and Frankie is pretty likable. The hinting of Alissa from Simone's run also putting on a costume kinda suggests the creative team are trying to build to a new Birds of Prey gradually. They have talked about doing a crossover in like September, I think?
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Mar 20, 2015 01:45
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Travis343 posted:Short of literally erasing the New 52 from existence and pretending like nothing ever changed, of course. But is it worth risking possibly alienating the new audience that Batgirl has brought in though, one that was never around for Babs' stint as Oracle? There's really no way of putting this genie back in the bottle for better or worse.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:52
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Yeah, I was being facetious. They've leaned in hard and they don't really have a choice but to ride on through and see where it goes.
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Mar 20, 2015 02:14
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Semper Fudge posted:But is it worth risking possibly alienating the new audience that Batgirl has brought in though, one that was never around for Babs' stint as Oracle? It most defiantly isn't. The core audience that complains still buys the book and will always buy the book no matter what, there is no point in catering to them.
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Mar 20, 2015 02:16
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Travis343 posted:Short of literally erasing the New 52 from existence and pretending like nothing ever changed, of course. Looks like someone felt the same way. https://twitter.com/ShonuffArt/status/578700953282441216/photo/1
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Mar 20, 2015 02:31
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Travis343 posted:If they wanted to reference Killing Joke without betraying the current spirit of Batgirl they should do a cover with Babs doing the famous "Smile!" cover, holding up her phone, with a picture of Joker in bat-cuffs or whatever on the screen. It's the simplest most obvious thing. You reference the classic story everyone just can't get enough of but the hero gets to turn the tables on the villain. That said, your proposal was already used for the Harley Quinn variant by Cliff Chiang so it'd be kinda lazy to do the same thing twice over.
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Mar 20, 2015 04:41
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lotus circle posted:I agree that KJ could be referenced for a Barbara cover, it just has to be in better taste. Never saw that cover actually. Yeah it's a shame they cashed that check so early, it would have been a lot better for a Joker cover imo.
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Mar 20, 2015 04:58
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lotus circle posted:I agree that KJ could be referenced for a Barbara cover, it just has to be in better taste. Ah. I think I saw that one without trade dress and assumed it was fan-art, but yeah, that would've been the way to go.
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Mar 20, 2015 16:21
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RIP Damian's superpowers  Carrie Kelly coulda had a second in the final B&R :/ Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mar 25, 2015 12:44
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Man, Batman & Robin final arc was FANTASTIC. The interactions between Damian, Bruce, Alfred and the league were pure gold. For once we didn't have a "WORLD IS ENDING" kind of threat dangling over their heads and the conclusion to the superpowers plot was incredibly well handled. Tomasi really brings his A-game when writing Damian (shame I can't say the same of his work on other characters). Real pleased to have Damian back and I can't wait to see what's next for him on June. Eternal's reveal was massively stupid and contrived, in the end is just a lame ripoff of Hush with Some Knightfall throwed in for good measure. And it got a second volume now focused on the Robins... 
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Mar 25, 2015 18:23
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Madkal posted:Agreed and I am calling bullshit fakeout on it. There ya go. Only having gotten into Batman recently who is the guy that cut Cluemasters throat? EDIT: Google tells me thats Lincoln Marsh. I think a couple of you called this a month or so ago. SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mar 25, 2015 21:06
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Batman and Robin was superb. A comic where Batman isn't dark and broody and that shows off the relationship between father and son perfectly. Seriously one of the best Batman comics I have read in a long time.
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Mar 26, 2015 00:01
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Batman is a terrible dad. Encouraging his son to sneak into girls' bedrooms and steal. 
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Mar 26, 2015 00:39
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I love how Gotham Academy is built on an occasion where Batman did everything wrong. No, you do not blame the mother in front of the girl with the same powers, and you certainly don't throw her in the loony bin instead of putting them in a well-stocked cabin with lots of medication somewhere. And the art is super great.
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Mar 26, 2015 03:16
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The one problem I had with it is a side-effect of how young and hot they made Bruce. I didn't realise it was Damian sneaking into Olive's room at the end until he was named. (Well, you could also see it as the art team drawing him as older than I'm used to seeing him)
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Mar 26, 2015 03:18
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Eternal Fixed.  But really, for a second, a tiny second I almost thought "heh, that's kind of a neat idea behind it all" with Cluemaster explaining that his whole idea hinged on Batman totally overlooking D-listers and only going for the "big guys", but then he kept on talking about his plan and it all fell apart and I went right back to hating it. So you framed Gordon and just sent cards to every villain loving ever... how? I mean, you're a D-list villain and you haven't been active for years, and suddenly you have the means to track down guys like Hush and Riddler and loving Ra's Al Ghul? poo poo, the US Postal Service in the DCU must be staffed by some hardcore motherfuckers! And plus, for some master schemer, his whole master plan seemed to be "well I'll mail these guys cards, frame Gordon and then... well hopefully things'll go to poo poo and I'll capitalize on it". I mean drat at least when Hush was the master planner like 5 bait-and-switches ago, he was out in the field getting poo poo done himself, having his own underlings, infiltrating the mansion and incapacitating Alfred and then even having contingencies for that poo poo. Cluemaster's whole scheme could've fallen apart if a couple of Batman's rogues turned down the offer (and it would be in character for most of them because his rogues' gallery is nothing if not a bunch of egomaniacs that would not enjoy the idea of being manipulated for someone else's schemes). At the end, there was an bit of a good story idea there, but that bit is nothing against the ton of dumb poo poo in the rest.
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Mar 26, 2015 06:06
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wiegieman posted:I love how Gotham Academy is built on an occasion where Batman did everything wrong. No, you do not blame the mother in front of the girl with the same powers, and you certainly don't throw her in the loony bin instead of putting them in a well-stocked cabin with lots of medication somewhere. Man I was just on the edge of dropping this book from my pull list (I have some problems with how the mystery is constructed, how the art is beautiful but maybe not so great at the storytelling sometimes, and also that I'm not the YA target audience) but that issue was really great at tying up a bunch of the mysteries and character arcs. I'm fully on board and trust what everyone involved has planned next. Especially cos Damian. But man, waiting until June for the next issue...is the Endgame tie in out before then?
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Mar 26, 2015 10:43
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It's out next week.
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Mar 26, 2015 11:12
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TwoPair posted:Fixed. About that: "James Tynion IV posted:"Scott Snyder is sort of the godfather of this project, I developed the original concept of the story with Scott, and he was there to help shape it. He fell in love with all of these different pieces of the story." Tynion 
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What youre saying is that Tynion is the Lincoln Marsh of your own personal Eternal?
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