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Also, early Supertramp is some good prog-pop. It's easy to overlook them I guess, because they didn't take long to crossover to straight pop.
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Declan MacManus posted:Roxy Music is arguably progressive muisic, and Brian Eno is almost definitely progressive music. Gentle Giant is also worth exploring; they went full-on disco/Drama weirdness for their last few albums and they tend to keep it brief even as they're rocking out renaissance style Love love love Roxy & Eno. There's a killer live version of Taking Tiger Mountain by guys from Parquet Courts and a couple other groups on youtube that's totally worth it. e: I'm vaguely familiar with Supertramp; I've got a copy of Breakfast in America and I know a bunch of their other singles. I never really thought of them as proggy, but have previously described them as extremely "clever." ee: I was phoneposting at the time, here's that Eno cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyePm9jsfoQ hexwren fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 18, 2015 20:15
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One of the founding members of Supertramp was Richard Palmer-James, later the lyricist for King Crimson from Larks' Tongues through Red. It's been a long time since I listened to them, but I remember enjoying their first album, hating Indelibly Stamped, and that's all I've heard aside from their hits. Am I missing much?
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Mar 18, 2015 20:23
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Rollersnake posted:One of the founding members of Supertramp was Richard Palmer-James, later the lyricist for King Crimson from Larks' Tongues through Red. Crime of the Century through Breakfast in America are all good.
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Declan MacManus posted:Crime of the Century through Breakfast in America are all good. Including Breakfast, or up to it? That's the only one I have, but it's too schmaltzy for me and I like schmaltz. I think the only older song of theirs I've heard is the one that goes right right you're bloody well right, which I do enjoy. Fun fact: I got breakfast in America and Close to the edge in the same Columbia House mailer when I was 15
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Crime of the Century is a good start. There's a reason that I specified "early" Supertramp.
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Earwicker posted:Wobbler does the same exact thing, at least on their first album which is the only one I've listened to. I like Andy Tillison's definition of prog rock - it just means that the music literally progresses from one section to the next, instead of any weird notions of "pushing music forward" or whatever. Most early prog is really 'regressive' in nature, trying to cop from classical music and all, isn't it?
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JAMOOOL posted:I like Andy Tillison's definition of prog rock - it just means that the music literally progresses from one section to the next, instead of any weird notions of "pushing music forward" or whatever. Most early prog is really 'regressive' in nature, trying to cop from classical music and all, isn't it? I disagree because the best of it doesn't just cop from classical music but draws a lot of influence from jazz, blues, and folk music as well as other forms of rock, and the end result doesn't sound like classical music at all. The influence is there of course but it's still a completely different kind of music. I don't think pushing music forward is a weird notion at all, I think it's a great notion and a better one than trying to constantly regurgitate what Yes and Genesis were doing in 1972. I love was Yes and Genesis were doing in 1972, but if I want to hear that I'll just put on their albums or live material from that period, I find it hard to get that into anyone still making "new" music in the exact same style decades later.
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Early Moodies/Nice stuff was an attempt to blend the 'sophistication' of classical music with rock n' roll, and yeah I agree that it became much more than that, but really by your definition 'modern' prog can't really sound anything like what it did in the 70's - 'modern' prog then would be stuff like Radiohead, Tortoise, Underworld, Max Tundra, etc. etc. I agree that the play-like-it's-'72-crew often feels a bit awkward for that reason, my first impression of Wobbler was "this guys are great but I think I'll just go listen to Tarkus for the 50th time". I still dig Glass Hammer though, if only because they try to play up the most ridiculous or over-the-top traits of Yes/ELP and often put their own spin on things (dunno how I feel about the Jon soundalike even if he's the best singer they've had).
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Mar 19, 2015 13:49
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Quite a few of the RIO bands had varying degrees of classical influence, it's especially prominent in Univers Zero who were almost not a rock band at all, they were playing chamber music that happened to feature rock instruments on some of it. Really dark dissonant stuff, but very cool.
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JAMOOOL posted:but really by your definition 'modern' prog can't really sound anything like what it did in the 70's - 'modern' prog then would be stuff like Radiohead, Tortoise, Underworld, Max Tundra, etc. etc. I would certainly say Underworld, Tortoise, and Max Tundra have been more musically progressive than much of what is considered actual genre "prog" these days. As for Radiohead, I like them a lot but really are they're just very good at writing and arranging atmospheric pop rock songs, I don't really understand why they are so often seen as these great innovators.
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Earwicker posted:As for Radiohead, I like them a lot but really are they're just very good at writing and arranging atmospheric pop rock songs, I don't really understand why they are so often seen as these great innovators. Because Rolling Stone hasn't had a Floyd record to write about since '94. (I still think rh is great but come on.)
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Earwicker posted:I would certainly say Underworld, Tortoise, and Max Tundra have been more musically progressive than much of what is considered actual genre "prog" these days. I'm talking more about the idea of assimilating modern influences into existing structures and trying to pull threads from all over the place. I agree that RH aren't really innovators but they do have the ability to 'think beyond' what you expect from a prog group. Maybe Porcupine Tree would be a better example. Or Bjork maybe. And so on. The reason why I bought up Tillison's definition is because A) nobody can agree what "progressive rock" really means so who cares, and B) I think it's odd that music that sounds just like Yes shouldn't be considered "prog" for whatever reason.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:30
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JAMOOOL posted:I think it's odd that music that sounds just like Yes shouldn't be considered "prog" for whatever reason. It's prog rock, but it's not progressive rock 
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BigFactory posted:Including Breakfast, or up to it? That's the only one I have, but it's too schmaltzy for me and I like schmaltz. I think the only older song of theirs I've heard is the one that goes right right you're bloody well right, which I do enjoy. Breakfast is schmaltzy cheese whatevers but it's very tight schmaltzy cheese. Everything up to that is pretty good progressive pop. I think Pink Floyd is the most accessible prog rock band (to the point where I'm not sure if they can even be considered a "true" prog band anymore than say Barclay James Harvest or Wishbone Ash) Earwicker posted:As for Radiohead, I like them a lot but really are they're just very good at writing and arranging atmospheric pop rock songs, I don't really understand why they are so often seen as these great innovators. Because of rockism duh
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Earwicker posted:It's prog rock, but it's not progressive rock I'll take it !
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JAMOOOL posted:by your definition 'modern' prog can't really sound anything like what it did in the 70's - 'modern' prog then would be stuff like Radiohead, Tortoise, Underworld, Max Tundra, etc. etc. There is a degree of crossover between Prog Rock and Post-Rock, esp. Radiohead, Tortoise, Underworld and some of "classic" Post-Rocks: Godspeed, Explosions, Russian Circles, This Will Destroy You, etc. I think it totally is possible to define Prog in musical terms. But Prog also had progressive connotations in terms of musical movements and tastes of 1966-1976. It is possible to be musically Prog without being progressive now but I haven't anything like that done recently I like. As many of you say, if I want that I go back and listen to old stuff. Post-rock manages to take the spirit of progressiveness and fuse it with other genres and be innovative - which is what Prog did 66-76. Are there any artists who are new (in the last 10-15 years) who do stuff that is musically close to classic Prog that you would recommend?
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Are there any artists who are new (in the last 10-15 years) who do stuff that is musically close to classic Prog that you would recommend? I would say Oblivion Sun, Unitopia, Glass Hammer. Maybe Beardfish, to an extent. Also, the latest Opeth album is more classic-y.
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Seventh Arrow posted:I would say Oblivion Sun, Unitopia, Glass Hammer. Maybe Beardfish, to an extent. Also, the latest Opeth album is more classic-y. The Tangent, some of Steven Wilsons stuff, spock's beard maybe
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Spocks beard is terrible
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hence the maybe. Some of their earlier stuff is okay.
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Just applied for the June Introduction to Guitar Craft camp. Fripp will direct. We'll see!
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I remember buying two Spock's Beard albums in the 90s. Beware of Darkness and The Light. Beware of Darkness was good, if not a little generic sounding prog rock that called back to the early 70s. I remember really liking the song, The Doorway. The Light was kind of meh, there were a few good parts, but overall it just didn't click with me. It's been over ten years since I've listened to those CDs so that says something about them right there. Maybe my opinion's changed ... but probably not. I remember I really liked the instrumentation, but found the singer to have a very generic rock voice that just wasn't unique enough to make the songs interesting. They're not a terrible band. They're just pretty average as far as prog rock bands go. And they're not really progressive in the true sense of the word.
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Thanks for the tips. I'll check them out.
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Rust Martialis posted:Just applied for the June Introduction to Guitar Craft camp. Fripp will direct. We'll see! *sigh* one day. One day I will eat porridge in the woods with Fripp.
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I wish Rick Wakeman would set up some kind of Synth Wizard camp for us keyboard dorks
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I have a feeling Rick Wakeman would make you do stuff like wash his car at fantasy camp. I want drum lessons and life coaching from Carl Palmer.
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If you're into the whole Yes/ELP style of explosions and bombast and really fast keyboard playing I think Glass Hammer may be right up yr alley
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BigFactory posted:I have a feeling Rick Wakeman would make you do stuff like wash his car at fantasy camp. worked for the Karate Kid..
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Noise Machine posted:*sigh* one day. One day I will eat porridge in the woods with Fripp. Aaaaand accepted: quote:Dear Rust:
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Rust Martialis posted:Aaaaand accepted: Congrats! A close friend of mine/former bandmate has been to a few and is a "Level II" according to their vernacular. He highly suggested it to me. It seems like as long as you're pretty open to ideas and not just "d00d when are we gonna learn to play SCHZOID?!?!?!111" you'll be admitted. I'd love to hear all about it when you've completed the retreat. This is INCREDIBLY nerdy but I've wanted to string another guitar in NST for years, but always stopped myself citing it would be unfair if I took a beginners' GC course. Noise Machine fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 23:35
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The new Steve Hackett album looks pretty drat good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KLnVcWg3nw
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That is quite possibly the gooniest album cover ever made.
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future "post bad album covers" thread material. thank you steve.
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Seventh Arrow posted:That is quite possibly the gooniest album cover ever made. It's always cool when the prog aesthetic turns into straight up new age.
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Magma in Vancouver last night was a religious experience.
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^Awesome. They were great the two times I saw them (2003 and 2007 headlining NEARfest), so I'm glad to hear they've still got it! On an unrelated note, the new Between the Buried and Me is shaping up to be their best. drat this is good stuff. https://soundcloud.com/metalbladerecords/btbam-memory-palace
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Yes are touring again this summer. Wiiiiiith...Toto.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Yes are touring again this summer. Wiiiiiith...Toto. That's so cool and so dorky at the same time .. like the Steve Hackett album cover ... like prog rock in general.
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Anekdoten, amazingly, just released a new album. Not breaking a lot of new ground sound-wise, although its a lot denser and heavier than their last couple of releases. Here's an instrumental featuring Per Wiberg (former keyboardist from Opeth), Theo Travis, and Marty Wilson-Piper (The Church). Also I had no idea until recently that Haken released an EP last year, a reworking of an earlier demo from the mid 2000's. Really excellent stuff. Both albums are on Spotify also. Excited for the new BTBAM, they seem to be heading in the right direction. No discussion of the new Steven Wilson? Just got it in the mail last week, still digesting it.
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