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I don't understand these people that claim to have no space for a receiver and speakers. Does your tv literally cover your entire wall floor to ceiling?
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KillHour posted:I don't understand these people that claim to have no space for a receiver and speakers. Does your tv literally cover your entire wall floor to ceiling? I could see it for people with tv's over fireplaces
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Mar 29, 2015 02:08
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KillHour posted:I don't understand these people that claim to have no space for a receiver and speakers. Does your tv literally cover your entire wall floor to ceiling? My VHS player and tapes take up a lot of room man.
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Mar 29, 2015 02:52
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Don Lapre posted:I could see it for people with tv's over fireplaces My TV is over my fireplace. The only way that excuse makes sense is if your only source is a basic cable or a Chromecast. If you have any kind of box at all, you can fit a receiver.
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Mar 29, 2015 03:01
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KillHour posted:My TV is over my fireplace. The only way that excuse makes sense is if your only source is a basic cable or a Chromecast. If you have any kind of box at all, you can fit a receiver. If you have directv and a samsung TV you can use it without a box, just sayin. Also a lot of people just stack their box wherver it will fit on the mantle it seems. Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 03:02
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Don Lapre posted:If you have directv and a samsung TV you can use it without a box, just sayin. That's such a rare situation that it's hardly worth mentioning. And those people almost always have a blu-ray player, too. I think it just comes down to people thinking it's not worth the effort to do a modest amount of research on how to assemble something from scratch (the horror!) instead of a pre-built box, so they make up a lame excuse on why they just can't do it the right way. Really guys, I would if I could! It's the reason HTIAB was popular before soundbars were a thing, even though they were almost always terrible deals. Easy > good for most people.
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Mar 29, 2015 04:24
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 Hey guys, I've been thinking about getting a soundbar since I don't have enough room for... Yes you do, you lazy gently caress... ok? I guess I could fit a couple of satellite speakers, but anything bigger would be impractical, which is why I thought I'd go for a soundbar. Maybe I'll just wait until I get a bigger place so that I can get a proper sound system 
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Mar 29, 2015 12:00
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Doctor Goon posted:
Get a soundbar if you want one. Don't get the one you picked out, it's ridiculous. But if you have a cable box, game consoles, and/or a bluray player hooked up, and a lovely shelf unit full of dreamcast games and DVDs somewhere in your TV room you can't say you don't have room for a receiver and small speakers.
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Mar 29, 2015 12:38
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I like the wirecutter's reviews. Not sure what you can find in Europe, but here's their guide to budget sound bars. http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-budget-soundbar/
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Mar 29, 2015 15:00
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Doctor Goon posted:
Post a picture. I literally do not believe you have no room. At all.
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Mar 29, 2015 16:16
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There has got to be room for a set of Audioengine A5s (or something similar). If not, are you some kind of spelunker or something, or do you just ignore the crippling claustrophobia?
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Mar 29, 2015 16:20
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He lives under the basement stairs at his uncle's house. If it seems like we're being dicks to you, it's because you sound like you just want us to validate your (bad) choice instead of wanting actual advice. I promise we can recommend a good system in your budget that fits. Post a picture.
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Mar 29, 2015 16:26
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Alright then, here's a picture of my dank basement: As you can see, I don't *literally* have no room. It's just that I suspect getting anything bigger would involve moving poo poo around, and that's something I'd like to avoid for girlfriend reasons. Also, it seems I went to bit overboard when announcing a 800 € budget, so I'm down to 500 € max. Hashtag Banterzone posted:I like the wirecutter's reviews. Not sure what you can find in Europe, but here's their guide to budget sound bars. Thanks a lot for the link 
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Mar 29, 2015 16:57
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That picture is not going to help your side of the argument...
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Mar 29, 2015 17:07
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I'm not here to win or lose any argument, I'm just trying to find the best solution for me.
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Mar 29, 2015 17:10
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The best solution for you is a solid 3.0 system with the ability to upgrade to 3.1 when you have the budget for a nice subwoofer. If you center the TV on the stand, you can put bookshelf speakers on either side of the tv or floor standing speakers on either side of the stand. Center channel goes under the TV like a sound bar. Receiver goes wherever you want (next to the cable box, if you have room). The most you'll have to move anything is like 10-15cm. I'll let someone more familiar with Euro pricing make specific product recommendation. Edit: can you take a better picture of your tv stand so we can get a better idea of how much room there is inside it? Double Edit: Where in Europe are you? KillHour fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 17:12
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Thanks for the help; I'm in France. Here's a closeup on the TV stand: There's probably enough room for a receiver on the right.
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Mar 29, 2015 18:15
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Doctor Goon posted:I'm not here to win or lose any argument, I'm just trying to find the best solution for me. Fair enough, it really looks like you have enough room for a receiver in that spot to the right in your entertainment unit, and you have tons of space on the top (going to have to say bye to that bowl!) for center, left, and right. Just make sure to measure everything before purchasing to be sure, I was going to put my receiver and all my AV on built-in shelves across the room but I never measured depth and it was just impossible.
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Mar 29, 2015 19:28
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I learned 2 things: - French stores don't have English versions of their websites.  - Electronics in Europe are loving expensive. http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/hifi_video/enceinte_hi-fi/enceinte_colonne/klipsch_rf-42_mkii_x1_black.html http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/hifi_video/elements_separes/amplificateur/yamaha_rxv377_black.html That puts you at ~635 Euros for a (very, very good) 2.0 system. I'm sure someone that actually speaks French and knows what retailers there are can do better.
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Mar 30, 2015 03:40
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Focal is a well regarded speaker brand that's made in France so it might not be marked up as much. e: these are €300 for a pair http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/hifi_video/enceinte_hi-fi/enceinte_compacte/focal_chorus_705v_wen_x2.html
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Mar 30, 2015 05:49
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KillHour posted:- Electronics in Europe are loving expensive. Yes, they very much are.  Thanks a lot for the recommandations (and for braving French only websites) guys. I'll figure out a buying strategy sometime this week, but this receiver + the Focal speakers sounds like it would do the trick I found an electronics shop specialized in sound systems in my city, so I might drop also by on Friday to see what I can get there (for what price).
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Mar 30, 2015 08:17
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KillHour posted:- Electronics in Europe are loving expensive. We got this thing called European Union, though. Mail order from Netherlands or Germany to get reasonable pricing.
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Mar 30, 2015 08:18
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German Amazon prices aren't bad. And sometimes they ship out of France anyway.
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Mar 30, 2015 09:19
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fart simpson posted:German Amazon prices aren't bad. And sometimes they ship out of France anyway. Good call. You're gonna want some of these: http://www.amazon.de/Nakamichi-Bana...ds=banana+plugs And of course: http://www.amazon.de/Oehlbach-Speak...ds=speaker+wire Oh, and whatever you go with, you'll want to save up for a center channel and subwoofer ASAP. Your center should match your front speakers as closely as possible. http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/hifi_video/enceinte_home_cinema/enceinte_centrale/focal_chorus_cc700v_wenge.html The sub can be a different brand. http://www.amazon.de/Klipsch-R-12-SW-Subwoofer-schwarz/dp/B00MGIZQKS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427723815&sr=8-2&keywords=klipsch+subwoofer
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Mar 30, 2015 14:58
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Is the contact info for the Onkyo rep in the OP still applicable? I made the mistake of buying another Onkyo (TX-NR616, after my 606 had the HDMI switching issue) a few years ago and am now getting the blue screen issue occasionally on start-up. Seriously never buying an Onkyo again.
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Mar 30, 2015 18:36
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dphi posted:Is the contact info for the Onkyo rep in the OP still applicable? I made the mistake of buying another Onkyo (TX-NR616, after my 606 had the HDMI switching issue) a few years ago and am now getting the blue screen issue occasionally on start-up. Seriously never buying an Onkyo again. No idea if the personal address works, but you can always bring it up on Onkyo Facebook pages. That's gotten results in the past. https://www.facebook.com/OnkyoUSA/ https://www.facebook.com/OnkyoEU/ Edited OP a little. Hob_Gadling fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 18:43
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Welp, just did a quick check and it looks like those Focal speakers might be just a bit too wide for my TV stand I'll make some proper measurements tomorrow to be see and to see what maximum width I'll have to work with. By the way, I know I'm probably sounding like a broken record, but thanks a lot for all the recommendations and such, it's much appreciated Edit: scratch that, I just did some measurements, and the speakers are just the right width. Phew. I'll have to find a shorter receiver though, the space underneath the TV stand is only 15 cm tall. Doctor Goon fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 21:27
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Marantz makes some smallish receivers (about half the height of most receivers) that are 50W per channel. 80-120W per channel is typical of a standard size receiver. NR1605, NR1504, and NR1403 are the ones on the US site. The French site only has the 1605 listed. This isn't a recommendation, I just knew they existed, but I would expect it to be good based on the name. I thought that Pioneer had some similarly slim receivers, but I can't find them on the website. e: So I looked at some prices and that 1605 pretty much destroys your budget... sorry :/ An NR1403 is a better priced (and less featured) option if you can find one. taqueso fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 22:26
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Doctor Goon posted:Welp, just did a quick check and it looks like those Focal speakers might be just a bit too wide for my TV stand Heads up if you put bookshelf speakers on your tv stand with the fronts of the speakers close to flush with your TV they might sound muddy and make dialogue a bit hard to understand. It can vary from speaker to speaker so I can't speak to those specifically but when I had my bookshelf speakers set up this way I found it a lot easier to understand dialogue in movies if I'd pull the speakers all the way out to the edge of the entertainment center. Just a heads up in case you run into that problem. Of course putting them on stands on either side of the TV will help, but defeats the purpose of getting bookshelf speakers that fit on your TV stand.
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Mar 31, 2015 18:26
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evilskillit posted:Heads up if you put bookshelf speakers on your tv stand with the fronts of the speakers close to flush with your TV they might sound muddy and make dialogue a bit hard to understand. It can vary from speaker to speaker so I can't speak to those specifically but when I had my bookshelf speakers set up this way I found it a lot easier to understand dialogue in movies if I'd pull the speakers all the way out to the edge of the entertainment center. Just a heads up in case you run into that problem. Of course putting them on stands on either side of the TV will help, but defeats the purpose of getting bookshelf speakers that fit on your TV stand. Yea because sound is bouncing off the tv stand.
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Mar 31, 2015 18:58
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Don Lapre posted:Yea because sound is bouncing off the tv stand. So basically, the advice is less "don't put your speakers right next to your TV" and more "put your speakers near the edge of the TV stand"? Sounds good to me. Anyway, I'll go to a specialist shop on Friday to see if they have any compact receivers, since searching for one on the Internet is a pain in the rear end; I wish websites would let you sort search results by size... There's this Yamaha, but this poo poo is also way more expensive. Is there anything I should try to look for/avoid when searching for a receiver? What sort of power output should I try to get?
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Mar 31, 2015 23:20
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I'm in the market for an audio setup for my TV hoping that I will experience a lot better sound than what it currently has built in on it so I can feel like I'm in the movie Robocop or any other classic arnold movie while also doing some console gaming. I don't have the room to do a whole surround sound set up but I should be able to make a front facing system work. Can someone recommend a good setup for someone completely new to this world?
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Apr 3, 2015 04:34
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Pooperscooper posted:I'm in the market for an audio setup for my TV hoping that I will experience a lot better sound than what it currently has built in on it so I can feel like I'm in the movie Robocop or any other classic arnold movie while also doing some console gaming. I don't have the room to do a whole surround sound set up but I should be able to make a front facing system work. Can someone recommend a good setup for someone completely new to this world? What's your budget? You can spend almost literally an unlimited amount of money if you want to.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:37
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fart simpson posted:What's your budget? You can spend almost literally an unlimited amount of money if you want to. I'm hoping $300 to $350, I don't know if I can justify spending any more for my first foray into this area without having any prior experience with the benefits of a home audio set up.
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Apr 3, 2015 05:06
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I've run into a pretty strange issue all of a sudden. My speakers randomly get interference the past week from what seems like FM radio. The radio portion of my receiver is off and the interference is very quiet- doesn't increase or decrease in volume but stays very faint, yet noticeable when I'm close to the speakers. It's more noticeable in my front right floorstanding speaker (2.1 set) but still can be heard on the left. Is this most likely an issue with the receiver or speaker wire (Amazon Basics 16 gauge)? I've noticed my receiver (Yamaha RX-V471) gets extremely hot lately so not sure if something burnt out. Also, doesn't have any radio antenna hooked up to it.
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Apr 5, 2015 23:59
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I want to upgrade from my Polk Audio Monitor30 Series II front channels into some good 3 or 4 way floorstanding front channels. I kind of want to stick to Polk, but I'm having a lot of trouble finding a good deal for either Monitor70, 75t, or RTI A7/TSI 550t. I don't really want to spend more than $250-300 per speaker, but I'm not sure what else is out there that's comparable and relatively affordable. Amazon has been next to useless, as most everything has been $500+ (or have $90 shipping per speaker, or both). What's a good alternative? I've looked at used, which are much more reasonably priced, but I don't have any experience buying used from Amazon and I'm a little wary.
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Apr 6, 2015 16:54
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Nothing to worry about with used on amazon. Safer than anywhere else.
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Apr 6, 2015 17:36
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Doctor Goon posted:So basically, the advice is less "don't put your speakers right next to your TV" and more "put your speakers near the edge of the TV stand"? Sounds good to me. That one is probably fine. One thing I was going to mention to look for is a receiver/amp that says it's ok driving 6ohm loads because that opens up your speaker options in the future. As for wattage 65 is probably actually fine. Something a lot of people don't realize is how little return on investment there is on volume and power. If you have a pair of speakers that are 85db sensitive, meaning 1 watt of power will get you 85db of volume, well they're already decently loud just from 1 watt input. http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html Each time you want a perceivable increase in volume 3db, you have to double your power, so ignoring things like thermal compression and excursion limits, 2 watts gets you to 88, 4 watts to 91, 8 watts to 93, 16 watts to 96 (it's getting pretty loud in here), 32 watts 100, 64 watts 103, 128 watts 106, 256 watts 109... So you can get pretty darn loud with 65 watts, 103db will hurt your ears. To get appreciably louder you need to double your wattage, to get appreciably louder than that you have to double it again, so really for normal home listening 65 is a pretty ok place to be. I wouldn't fret over more unless you want to throw parties, then just start looking into prosound gear.  Having said that my amp outputs something like 200 watts into 4 ohms, but I got it on ebay back when I cared about things like how much stereo equipment weighed... Edit: I see your Focals are listed as being 89db sensitive, so all the numbers I posted earlier apply except you're starting at 89db at 1 watt and ending up at 106, assuming the speaker doesn't give out before that... evilskillit fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 20:03
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I want to run whole-house audio. Everything I've looked at pretty much sucks. I want to "roll my own". I'd like to have the home theatre system in the livingroom be the central point for Blu Ray, Google Music, TV, Satellite, whatever. I'd like to have a $99 amp in every room (in the closet or whatever) that would have it's own input (i.e. you could plug in your phone or the TV in that room) as one input, a bluetooth input (so you could do the same thing wirelessly), and a third input that is fed from the home theatre (so you could do the whole-house audio thing but control the volume in each room). I have a couple different options for amps in this feature set/price range. The question... how do I get the line-level audio through the house? I can find really long RCA cables, but how do I split line-level audio into several sets of drops, and how far can I run it? I am open to better ideas. The key is WAF.
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photomikey posted:I want to run whole-house audio. Everything I've looked at pretty much sucks. To do this "right" is going to cost more than you think it will. But to answer your question, something like this would work for what you're asking. http://www.amazon.com/Distribution-Amplifier-Splitter-Composite-Uninex/dp/B005N0CRT4 Edit: if you need more than 4 rooms, there's this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R8W9L6W?psc=1 KillHour fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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