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Shakugan posted:An education system that rewards rote memorisation rather than understanding and critical thinking. I see our education system getting bashed in this thread all the time, but I didn't think it was that bad. High School English is almost exclusively about developing critical thinking, as was hsc level modern history. Gallipoli was taught to us as 'a completely pointless exercise that demonstrates why war is bad and usually pointless' and the great depression was taught to us as 'we aren't allowed to say that laissez faire economic policies directly caused the great depression, but they did.' Evolution was taught as concrete science and the scientific definition of theory was explained in depth. People are just idiots and latch on to poo poo they read elsewhere if it fits their opinions and understanding of how the world is, our syllabus isn't that bad (well, the nsw one, can't speak for other states).
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Splode posted:I see our education system getting bashed in this thread all the time, but I didn't think it was that bad. High School English is almost exclusively about developing critical thinking, as was hsc level modern history. Gallipoli was taught to us as 'a completely pointless exercise that demonstrates why war is bad and usually pointless' and the great depression was taught to us as 'we aren't allowed to say that laissez faire economic policies directly caused the great depression, but they did.' Evolution was taught as concrete science and the scientific definition of theory was explained in depth.. Yeah this is pretty much what I got out of the QLD public education system and I went to 4 different high schools, public and private and people in QLD are still people from QLD
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Splode posted:I see our education system getting bashed in this thread all the time, but I didn't think it was that bad. High School English is almost exclusively about developing critical thinking, as was hsc level modern history. Gallipoli was taught to us as 'a completely pointless exercise that demonstrates why war is bad and usually pointless' and the great depression was taught to us as 'we aren't allowed to say that laissez faire economic policies directly caused the great depression, but they did.' Evolution was taught as concrete science and the scientific definition of theory was explained in depth. Even if the content itself might be seen to encourage critical thinking and understanding, the methods of evaluation absolutely do not. The issue is that schools place such high emphasis on NAPLAN and HSC results, and students do what they think they need to in order to gain entry to whatever university course they are targeting. Even if that means throwing the educational skills they could otherwise learn out the window. If you want a good score in biology, you don't try to understand the basic concepts of evolution; you memorise all the syllabus dot-points. If you want a good score in English, you don't develop your critical thinking skills, you instead prewrite (or in many cases have so much "tutoring" and "feedback" on your prewritten essays that they aren't really even yours anymore) and memorise essays. Same for history. The secondary system in Australia is hosed, not necessarily because of content (though there are some serious issues), but because the system is most optimally gamed by employing strategies that are counter to ones meaningful learning. Given that the political class typically attend schools that exist solely to pump out as many high ATARs as possible (and so care more about numeric results than the skills and education for future endeavors), you end up with many politicians who're convinced of their own intelligence because of their secondary academic results despite lacking any ability to think critically or understand their own bullshit.
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Mar 30, 2015 05:26
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That wasn't the case at my high school, which was a selective school geared towards churning out kids with high ATARs  We all learnt things properly and didn't just memorise everything, it was less effort to understand the concepts than memorise everything. There is definitely an issue with assessment but it's not nearly as bad as people seem to think
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Mar 30, 2015 05:40
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Splode posted:That wasn't the case at my high school, which was a selective school geared towards churning out kids with high ATARs My school wasn't so bad therefore it's all just a bit of an overblown issue really sure there's an issue but is it REALLY as bad as people say??
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Mar 30, 2015 05:46
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Re-wrote and memorised my english essays every week for the whole term Student checking in. Thanks high school!
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Mar 30, 2015 05:47
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Shakugan posted:
I failed 1st year Biology at Flinders (in part) because the exam was 180 or so multiple choice questions and that was it  I switched from Biology to IT because of that, and I've never looked back 
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Mar 30, 2015 05:49
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My selective school did non-rote teaching for English et al, but my girlfriend-at-the-time's school was big on the "here is your essay template, fill in the blanks". I couldn't believe it then, and it's still just as ridiculous.
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Mar 30, 2015 05:52
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My selective school didn't teach rote learning for English but the way that the HSC tested English pretty much encourages the average student to rote learn an essay and then mold the arguments slightly to fit the question imo.
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Mar 30, 2015 06:05
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Hockey's solution to tax avoidance; let's lower company tax so there's less incentive to avoid it.
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Mar 30, 2015 06:07
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In extension history I was rewarded for pinning the blame for the Cuban Missile Crisis on the scummy, hypocritical Yankees. 
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Mar 30, 2015 06:37
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chyaroh posted:To be hideously flippant, would that mean the LNP would *remove* the GST from female sanitary products? Speaking of... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-30/gst-quiz/6358594
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Mar 30, 2015 06:37
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Nibbles! posted:Hockey's solution to tax avoidance; let's lower company tax so there's less incentive to avoid it. That's the right wing approach to all income related taxes.
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Mar 30, 2015 06:38
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/30/personal-details-of-world-leaders-accidentally-revealed-by-g20-organisers?CMP=share_btn_twquote:The personal details of world leaders at the last G20 summit were accidentally disclosed by the Australian immigration department, which did not consider it necessary to inform those world leaders of the privacy breach.
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Mar 30, 2015 06:45
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Splode posted:That wasn't the case at my high school, which was a selective school geared towards churning out kids with high ATARs Your selective school didn't teach you about anecdotal fallacies I guess e: also, explaining that your teachers taught you the 'right' version of history as an example that they promoted critical thinking is also hilarious Thinking fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 06:48
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Murodese posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/30/personal-details-of-world-leaders-accidentally-revealed-by-g20-organisers?CMP=share_btn_tw Can't wait for all my metadata to get sent to a soccer tournament.
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Mar 30, 2015 06:49
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I went to the largest public high school in the state and so we didn't need to focus on passing exams to be placed close to the top of school rankings just because we had so many in each year. Hell yeah.
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Mar 30, 2015 06:50
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Mar 30, 2015 06:51
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I got 40%, albeit most of that was guessing. Most of my year 12 experience was pretty good on teaching concepts over rote memory, but it was actually my drama class that consisted largely of just writing and re-writing the same three essays for over half of the course. The rest of it was actually putting on a play, which was overall pretty great, but I had to write essays on Slumdog Millionaire, Augusto Boal and Stolen for so long that if you pushed me, I could probably still churn one out. I remember my maths teacher giving us previous year's exams to work through and understand what we'd be faced with, with some specific warnings of 'they'll always ask these questions, so we're going to spend a while focusing on them', but other than that it was really only the drama course that turned into that. Which sucked, because if there's any course you'd want to NOT be that it'd be drama. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 07:03
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Nibbles! posted:Hockey's solution to tax avoidance; let's lower company tax so there's less incentive to avoid it. Also, Hockey's solution to GST and internet stores not having to pay it: let's raise the GST and apply it to more things.
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Mar 30, 2015 07:05
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Laserface posted:Re-wrote and memorised my english essays every week for the whole term Student checking in. Hi - five. I went to a gps school too and God advanced English was such a joke. So we're lost of the other subjects. Extension 1 was actually pretty great though, my teacher was a nut bag and did it properly like Ive seen it taught in uni. Actually got some critical thinking and analysis Vahtooch fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 07:25
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I actually gave a gently caress about my super today so I must be getting old. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't overly exposed to Australian property or equities. I still half expect some government to confiscate the lot if it and hand it to the banks or some other international corporation by the time I'm old enough to retire.
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Mar 30, 2015 07:31
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-reform-super-concessions-for-the-wealthy-in-the-firing-line-20150330-1maxz5.html Removing/reducing super concessions good if done right. Also this is a interesting read - it rips apart parts of the IGR. http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/april/1427806800/richard-denniss/spreadsheets-power
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Cleretic posted:I got 40%, albeit most of that was guessing. Got 80%, the yoghurt and percentage of income got me.
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Splode posted:I see our education system getting bashed in this thread all the time, but I didn't think it was that bad. High School English is almost exclusively about developing critical thinking, as was hsc level modern history. The majority of last year's band 6 English students can probably still recite their responses from memory hth Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 07:49
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cpaf posted:Your selective school didn't teach you about anecdotal fallacies I guess I wasn't using the history anecdote to demonstrate how they taught critical thinking, I was instead arguing against the idea that Australian kids are constantly told that the soldiers who died at Gallipoli did it to protect our way of life. But you probably realised this and are just arguing in bad faith again.
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Ragingsheep posted:http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-reform-super-concessions-for-the-wealthy-in-the-firing-line-20150330-1maxz5.html quote:The most important assumption made by Treasury is also the most surprising. The economists at Treasury have assumed that income-tax rates will be cut every year between 2020 and 2055 in order to ensure that we don’t collect too much revenue.
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Mar 30, 2015 08:15
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katlington posted:That sounds important. To be fair, a lot of that is just bracket creep since if you wait long enough, you'll get everyone tax payer migrate into the highest bracket due to inflation.
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Mar 30, 2015 08:44
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KennyTheFish posted:On the latest in the Thompson affair. What are they suing for? If it is to recover the funds he was convicted of stealing, why not do that as part of the sentencing phase of the trial? Also what does fair work have to do with it, did he steal from them? If he was convicted of stealing in the magistrates court, then shouldn't the same venue deal with civil claims about the same matters at least? http://www.fedcourt.gov.au/case-management-services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-files/fwa-v-thomson The case is basically about him funding his political campaign with union funds without considering the members and without clearing it with the rest of the union management. The big dollar item in the claim is that he spent over $100k in union funds on wages for two people to work on his political campaign. The employees spent almost $50k on union credit cards to pay for costs involved in campaigning. There's also $60k of union money Thomson directly spent on his campaign. The criminal case focused on money he spent on himself, the money spent on the campaign didn't amount to fraud of theft. It might be a breach of his obligations under the registered organisations act to act with due diligence, to act in good faith and to not use his position improperly.
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Ragingsheep posted:To be fair, a lot of that is just bracket creep since if you wait long enough, you'll get everyone tax payer migrate into the highest bracket due to inflation. Adjusting for Bracket creep is one thing, annual tax cuts is another.
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Mar 30, 2015 08:50
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katlington posted:That sounds important. Someone ask Dr Karl about that, next time he's on the radio. Selling your soul must be close to $150,000 a year right?
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Mar 30, 2015 08:50
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"Hey staffer, research porn and get back to me."
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Mar 30, 2015 08:56
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But we've got the highest income tax rates in the world except for Denmark(who kick our asses in every standard of living except cars per capita)!
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Which can be explained by way of Danes loving to bike everywhere. Which is something that really pisses me off about Australia. Ample space for bike lanes, great weather and none of you shits are riding around like in Europe where the cities are tight, congested and it's usually raining or snowing.
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Ler posted:Which can be explained by way of Danes loving to bike everywhere. Which is something that really pisses me off about Australia. Ample space for bike lanes, great weather and none of you shits are riding around like in Europe where the cities are tight, congested and it's usually raining or snowing. oh no
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Ler posted:Which can be explained by way of Danes loving to bike everywhere. Which is something that really pisses me off about Australia. Ample space for bike lanes, great weather and none of you shits are riding around like in Europe where the cities are tight, congested and it's usually raining or snowing. If you want my opinion on the subject I would have to say bike helmets and also water bottles.
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Mar 30, 2015 09:33
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Gentleman Baller posted:If you want my opinion on the subject I would have to say bike helmets and also water bottles. finally, some content.
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Ler posted:Which can be explained by way of Danes loving to bike everywhere. Which is something that really pisses me off about Australia. Ample space for bike lanes, great weather and none of you shits are riding around like in Europe where the cities are tight, congested and it's usually raining or snowing. Yeah but my pushbike doesnt do 1:13 around Wakefield Park sooooooo
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