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I have a heap of Warmaster skeletons but I'll buy some of those when its time to fill in a few front ranks.
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Berzerkmonkey those look awesome. I'd love to buy
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Cross posting from the miniature painting thread because I am sure you can all appreciate the joy and pain in finding and building models for games from a dead line. Looking forward to playing some Warmaster in Middle Earth and starting to paint some more forces for this theme using proxies from other lines. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I finished painting and basing all of the miniatures from the Battle of Five Armies Games Workshop game this past Tuesday. Took me about a month total for all of these, they are 10mm scale for more or less Warmaster rules. More than 1200 individual figures. Was lots of fun, and looking forward to doing more that I picked up from other lines at this scale. If anyone has tips on doing 10mm faces I would love to hear them. I am fine with the troops as they are but would have liked to do a bit more with the heroes. Washes didn't work to well, it either blocked everything out or you just couldn't tell. I didn't try much else on that from though. The Baccus 6mm basing kit was great as well. nothing special about it except the fine grained sand and extra short static grass that was critical for basing these guys at this scale.  Most of the armies, though not all as not all of the stands would fit in 1 tray!  All 10 of the hero stands  Dain and his guard on one stand, and Thorin with Fili and Kili on the other to lead the Dwarves into battle!  Beorn as a bear fights with Gandalf, Bilbo and the eagles  Thruanduil leads the elves into the fray  Bolg and his guard as well as a goblin shame take their hoard to the fight  Bard leads the small force from Lake Town  Warg riders rush in spears first  The warg force is eager to rush in lead by two goblin captains
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When you posted this in the other thread I had no idea there were proxies in there. They look great. I wish GW had rereleased that box to coincide with the movie.
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Mar 21, 2015 03:00
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I'm sure they do too.
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Hey I found some of my Old Glory Vikings! Here's a size comparison against some Warmaster Empire. (Who are currently a spirit host.) I had to play around with the basing strips to fill a 40mm x 20mm area, but OG's 10mm figures seem to be a good match for Warmaster and presumably B5A.
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Mar 23, 2015 00:54
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Nice! They look like a decent match. I like how you've managed to make them look like they are in fairly close order on the base, which I've struggled to do when ranking up minis from other manufacturers to go alongside WM stuff.
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ineptmule posted:Berzerkmonkey those look awesome. I'd love to buy Sorry for my lack of response - I was at Adepticon for the past few days, playing one of the worst games of WM in my life. My opponent was a good guy, but I was rolling like complete poo poo. I sat out my third game so the organizer could play, as well as just not wanting to deal with another bad game. I'll get photos and some commentary up in the next few days. The skeletons are being produced as you see them in the photo - bases of two (except for the lone hero.) The reasoning behind the basing was twofold: 1) variation (as you guessed); and cost. If I was to do them in a WM style strip, it would have been too cost prohibitive to do more than one base. dishwasherlove posted:They look great. I wish GW had rereleased that box to coincide with the movie.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah, I really don't understand why they didn't (unless they legally weren't allowed to.) And they look great Nesbit37. No one knows officially but word on the street was that it was because the game predates the film so none of the characters look enough like their movie versions and it doesn't contain the movie only characters.
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I'm not sure how well you could really replicate the likeness of Richard Armitage at 10mm scale anyway.
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Shock horror these 10mm tall miniatures don't look like their movie counterparts. What a dumb decision.
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[quote="berzerkmonkey" ]Sorry for my lack of response - I was at Adepticon for the past few days, playing one of the worst games of WM in my life. My opponent was a good guy, but I was rolling like complete poo poo. I sat out my third game so the organizer could play, as well as just not wanting to deal with another bad game. I'll get photos and some commentary up in the next few days. The skeletons are being produced as you see them in the photo - bases of two (except for the lone hero.) The reasoning behind the basing was twofold: 1) variation (as you guessed); and cost. If I was to do them in a WM style strip, it would have been too cost prohibitive to do more than one base. [/quote] How was Adepticon? I was only ever able to make it in 2009 and it was great. Then I moved to Philly and haven't been able to get back since. I miss it, though I am going to Gary Con this week and Gen Con this summer so I can't complain too much. El Estrago Bonito posted:No one knows officially but word on the street was that it was because the game predates the film so none of the characters look enough like their movie versions and it doesn't contain the movie only characters. That is a terrible reason, especially at the 10mm scale. The only thing they screwed up in that box set IMO was not putting Thruanduil on an elk, but I am guessing that was because they didn't want him mounted in the game for mechanics reasons. Thanks, they were fun to paint. I am doing some casting right now and lining up what to paint next. Its kind of refreshing to not have to rely on GW prices for most of these minis since there are decent proxies for a lot of them. Right now I either have or have ordered: Mumakil Ents Olog-hai Easterlings The entire Old Glory Saracen line to use as Harad and Easterling cataphrachs Ukuk-hai, Rohan and Gondor troops from Copplestone Far Harad Half Trolls Pendraken Zulu and some camel mounted warriors for Far Harad general troops Storm Giant Beornings in humanoid and bear form And then I have the official GW models for Smaug, Hill Trolls, Goblin King and guard, dwarf archers, giant bat swarm and elven cavalry. I am going to be busy painting for a while, especially since there are some things I want to sculpt or find good proxies for. Thinking Warmaster Chaos troops might work for black numenorians, though I don't think those guys are exactly cheap to acquire. I should start doing oaths in the oath thread.
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ineptmule posted:Shock horror these 10mm tall miniatures don't look like their movie counterparts. What a dumb decision. I think it was more to do with the armor designs and such. The movie wargs look very different for instance. I like BoFA but I could easily see why the LoTR/Hobbit people would want to maintain a consistent visual aesthetic across all their licensed products and while the minis for BoFA look good they don't really look like the same style as the films.
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Yeah that's fair enough. I love the idea though of somebody looking really hard at the Thranduil BoFA mini and comparing it to the guy from the film before saying 'Nope, not similar enough. Can the entire product.'
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Wasn't the entire reason B5A was made in 10mm in the first place was because they could only get book rights for it in 10mm? Something like that anyway, here is Wikipedia's section on GW's Tolkein rights: "The current Lord of the Rings range stems from Games Workshop's rights to produce a skirmish war game based on The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit books and films, in the 25mm miniature scale.[4] (The rights to produce a role playing game version of the films were sold to another firm, Decipher, Inc.) They also have the rights to produce Battle of Five Armies, a game based on the battle of similar name from The Hobbit, using smaller miniatures to enact larger battles (more akin to the Warmaster system).[5] Under this separate license, the game was done using a 10 mm scale for the normal warriors, and a larger "heroic" scale for the named characters. Games Workshop has not acquired the rights to The Silmarillion, which is still the exclusive property of the Tolkien Estate, but has the right to develop its own derivative intellectual property to fill in the gaps in The Lord of the Rings universe. This is particularly true of Harad, which has a range of invented places (such as "Kārna", "Badharkān", "Hidār", "Nāfarat", "Abrakān", and "Dhāran-sar"[6]) and characters (such as the Hasharin[6] and "Dalamyr, Fleetmaster of Umbar"" I am guessing this is in at least part that Mithril has 25mm rights from Middle Earth Enterprises (Wikipedia again) "As of April 2009, the company's current licensees are as follows.[5] Adaptations: New Line Cinema Film rights. Kevin Wallace Ltd for a stage production of The Lord of the Rings Games Video games: Up to 2009 Electronic Arts for games based on both books in addition to an official film trilogy license from New Line Cinema. Post 2009 Warner Bros. Turbine, Inc. for an online role-playing game, The Lord of the Rings Online up to 2014[6] Other games: Decipher Inc. for the trading card (TCG) and roleplaying games Games Workshop PLC for a range of miniatures, games (The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game and Battle of Five Armies) and Battle Games in Middle-earth magazine Game Systems International Ltd. (Games Systems Inc.) for Middle-Earth Play-By-Mail released by Game Systems Inc. and the One Ring module of Legends (PBM) released by Harlequin Games. Sophisticated Games for a range of board games Mithril Miniatures for a range of 28 mm scale metal miniatures US Games Systems Inc. a Lord of the rings based Tarot card deck and game. Collectables: Danbury Mint for a variety of related merchandise such as film cells, watches and goblets Lladró Comercial, S.A. Royal Selangor International for a range of pewter goblets, tankards and chess pieces Toys: Lego acquired a license to produce a range of sets in relation to the film series The Hobbit and released their first sets in 2011."
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nesbit37 posted:How was Adepticon? I was only ever able to make it in 2009 and it was great. Then I moved to Philly and haven't been able to get back since. I miss it, though I am going to Gary Con this week and Gen Con this summer so I can't complain too much. It was fun, but draining. I'm used to sitting on my rear end all day, so a long day of walking and standing wears me the hell out. Combine that with very little sleep and early and late flights, and I'm beat. Warmaster was a bit disappointing this year, as we only had four players (plus the organizer.) Epic had six players (plus the organizer.) One of the guys planning on attending both events couldn't get the time off from his new job, so that was a bummer. I suppose for dead game systems, those are good numbers, but I'm spoiled - our Epic/Warmaster group is probably the largest on the east coast (and possibly the US.) On an average gaming weekend, we usually get at least eight players; on a tourney weekend, we usually get 12-16 players. So, long story short, it would be nice to see a few more folks, but it's nice that we get anyone to show up for unsupported systems. And I'm going to put the word out now for next year - we had about $600 in prize support for Epic. Food for thought, fellas... Now, Epic photo dump (apologies for the blurry shots. I think I fingered my lens and screwed things up):         This close combat did not turn out well for the Eldar.                I'll get more event photos up later. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 24, 2015 |
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Both the Tolkien film people and the Tolkien book people are notoriously anal about weird things. They, for instance, once got super angry at the LoTR MMO people for trying to put pumpkin decorations in the game for a Halloween event because "pumpkins don't exist in Middle Earth" among other crazy things.
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Photos of the Space Hulk Event: again, sorry for the crappy photos. This was interesting - a multi-level 3D hulk that was about 8 feet long and 4 feet wide, using about 10 Creative Gamescapes Spaceship X kits. We were using a mash of rulesets for the game. Four Marine players and two Nid players were involved. The goal for the lower level Marine players was to survive long enough to find an Inquisitor and his pilot and get them to their Arvus Lighter to escape the Nid incursion. The upper level Marine players had to get to an elevator and to the second level to open the hangar doors. The Nid players just had to stop the Marines with a combination of Gaunts, Nids, Warriors, a Lictor, and a Carnifex (!). I was in charge of a squad of Ultramarines with a Chaplain with Feel No Pain (on an armor fail, rolling a 4-6 shrugged off the damage.) Fortunately, I could roll nothing under that 4 - he survived at least eight near death experiences. In addition, he was able to fend off a rear attack, kill that Stealer, fend off another rear attack, kill that Stealer, and fend off a third rear attack and kill that Stealer too, all in one combat. I unfortunately lost my Assault Cannon early on, so I had to make do with just standard weapons and a flamer (along with the Chaplain Who Would Not Die.) I made my way through the Hulk, searching individual rooms for the Inquisitor - one of the other players found the pilot and killed the Lictor. The upper level Marine player was seriously overthinking things (no time limit) and wasted a lot of time getting to the door control panel. I found the Inquisitor and his retinue in the last room I searched (of course) and proceeded to haul rear end with him and his retinue to the bay. Unfortunately, the upper level Marines were having issues getting to the door access, so the lower level Marines spent valuable time standing around waiting for the doors to open. Eventually the doors opened and a Carnifex rushed into the room with a handful of Nids. Once inside the bay, the Blood Angel force rushed in and attempted to take out the Carnifex with their Assault Cannon - it was the only weapon we had that was likely to kill the beast. Unfortunately, they couldn't roll the required numbers on the dice to put the monster down. In addition, the pilot was too far away to get to the Arvus in time to get it warmed up for the escape. As the turns counted down to the game limit of 20, the Inquisitor rushed to the Arvus and took aim at the Carnifex. "Don't bother," I was told. "You don't have a chance." I said, "Well, it looks like I can kill it on a double six" and proceeded to roll the required sixes and planted a bolter shell in each of the Carnifex's eye sockets. Everyone erupted in cheers - the Inquisitor rushed to the Arvus, activated the ship... and wound up being one activation point short of actually boarding and flying out. We had hit our 20 turn limit and the base self destructed. All in all, it was a really fun game - it probably would have been better if there had been a time limit for turns (and would have shaved off about 60 minutes of overthinking.) Definitely a good time and it makes me want to dust off my SH set and paint some Termies.             
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That Space Hulk setup is baller. It should come as no surprise to anyone, but I dig the retro-style Nids too 
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A friend and I did a pendracken order so we can play warmaster/kow. He's doing kislev/humans and I'm doing orcs because they are both ubiquitous in fantasy rule sets. What cool resources should I be looking at?
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Google the Warmaster Army Builder that page has all the latest rules and faqs PDFs. I have some of the Warmaster magazines hosted here https://www.mediafire.com/folder/o81r16jmd30l0/Warmaster_Fantasy but they aren't all great quality. Otherwise the Specialist Games forum is the only other spot for info really.
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So me and a buddy are doing this thing we're calling Gangs of Nu Orc, where we're playing Mordheim with two rules: - All Warbands must be Orcs and Goblins - Each Warband must be modeled after a late 80's/early 90's WWF wrestler. I made a final Hevyweight Champyunship scenario for us involving a massive climax for the campaign in an arena. Let me know what you guys think.
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There should be a mechanism where heroes get special/finisher moves
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I am helping my not-web-saavy FLGS owner sell some Epic stuff but we are both unsure about the ID on a couple of models, specifically these:   Everything else is NIB or identified, except for these Rhinos and Land Raiders which seem to be made of plastic or resin? Not sure if these were ever released in anything but metal?   In addition to what's pictured here there are two new blisters of Imperial Bombards, three Bombards loose, a new blister of Hellhounds, a new blister of Gorgons, and a Stormhammer new in blister (labelled as Space Marine, not Epic). I'm planning on eBaying but I'd rather avoid eBay fees so if anyone here wants anything just let me know. Open to offers, not really sure what these are worth. Thanks for any help with IDing this stuff!
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The first two are Ordinatus Golgotha (missiles) and Armageddon (big laser), which are probably worth quite a bit to the right people. Then you've got two of the 2nd wave metal Predator tanks in the foreground, and maybe two Ogre miniatures? But I'd definitely be up for buying the hellhounds if you don't want too much for them. Send me a PM!
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Looks like those two little tanks go with the Golgotha dudes, thanks!
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TKIY posted:Everything else is NIB or identified, except for these Rhinos and Land Raiders which seem to be made of plastic or resin? Not sure if these were ever released in anything but metal? In the very early days of Epic (up to the mid 2000s at least) Land Raiders and Rhinos came in plastic on the sprues alongside Space Marines.
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Midjack posted:In the very early days of Epic (up to the mid 2000s at least) Land Raiders and Rhinos came in plastic on the sprues alongside Space Marines.
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Mar 30, 2015 03:32
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There were plastic rhinos and land raiders in the Epic 40,000 box too.
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If anyone is going to be in the New England area in June, we're holding our eighth New England Epic Tournament on Saturday, June 13 at the Time Machine in Manchester CT. It's a tournament in name only, so don't let that scare you off - we go to have fun and trash talk each other. Also, if you don't have an army, but would still like to play or learn the game, most of us have multiple armies and would be more than happy to bring one for you to borrow. It looks like we should get at least 16 players - more with walk-ons and people who haven't confirmed as of yet.
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EdBlackadder posted:There were plastic rhinos and land raiders in the Epic 40,000 box too. Weren't those the new design tanks by then?
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Midjack posted:Weren't those the new design tanks by then?
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The new plastic Land Raiders were in E40k, but it was still the old Rhino design.
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berzerkmonkey posted:*LOADS OF EPIC THINGS* You know what I find kinda scary about all those pics of old epic models from a range of races? I look at them and think "oh yeah I remember those, I think I had some of them. And those. And that. These too..." Considering that I was a jobless kid/teenager with not that much pocket money at the time, I somehow managed to pick up a lot of stuff...
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Does anyone have experience building Epic armies? My friend and I snagged a bunch of minis off eBay and are slowly working our way through the NetEA rules to figure out how to play. But in terms of army composition, we're still fairly confused about what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. I'll likely be playing Space Marines, and he's been interested in Orks & Eldar. So far I've thought that: - Tactical Marines seem somewhat boring but useful to have as a baseline, - Scouts are useful for garissoning but otherwise seem really, really underwhelming, - Devastators are pretty good at shooting stuff up but I'm worried they're fragile, - I should always stay in B2B with my rhinos for cover, - Land Raiders are the best, - Terminators feel like they belong in a Thunderhawk (hopefully they don't get shot down!) - Assault Marines seem to be just worse than bikes - Vindicators are nifty but I don't know when I should take them - Dreads seem generally underwhelming - Whirlwinds are amazing so long as they don't pick up BMs (yay for indirect!).
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Space Marines are a finesse army. You need to hit hard and fast as they can't stand up to protracted fights. You'll always be outnumbered and outgunned, but your ability to tank blast markers gives you a huge advantage that makes you seem a lot softer than you really are. I'll see if I can dig up the writeup I made in the old Epic thread and repost it, but to briefly touch on your thoughts: - Yes, they're your backbone. - Infiltrate and Scout are important as your huge zone of control/coherency can force chokepoints and force the enemy to deal with you. You also double your charge move and can leapfrog over chaff units - great for weeding out/tying up important units. - Devs put out a good number of AP/AT shots at range and have a killer firefight value. Put them in Rhinos or Landraiders for protection/mobility/extra firepower. - Yes. - Also Yes. - I've had success Teleporting Terminators. Boo hoo, you might take a blast marker when you land. You still get to act that turn with better firepower than devestators and better assault than assault marines. They reroll their saves and can't be crossfired so beam them in wherever you want to gently caress something up. Land Raiders also work if you can afford them. - I've had assault marines fight off Ork formations over triple their size. Don't overlook that 3+ cc value. Recommend Thunderhawk assault for extra protection/support. - Vindicators will demolish (hah) infantry and wreck armour decently, and they don't give a gently caress about cover. Slip them into an assault formation (land raiders, fast tacs, etc) for protection and roll them up the line. - Dreads are slow but have decent range and can be tooled out for specific jobs. AV with 3+ armour makes them a bit more survivable, but I'll admit I haven't used them much. Suppression is key in Epic. Even if you don't think you can hurt a unit, just keep pounding on it. You're simultaneously reducing the amount of return fire, making it harder for them to act and getting them that much closer to breaking. Again, marines take twice as many blast markers to suppress/break. Use it with killer initiative/strategy rating to dictate where and how the battle happens. You don't have the bodies to make mistakes so they can seem unforgiving at first, but you have a fundamental rules advantage that will wreck anyone's day when played right.
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Assault marine effectiveness depends on the table. Being able to bounce over impassable things is nice.
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Bikes are also vulnerable to AP and AT fire and are only slightly faster (5cm). The improved FF is nice, as is the extra AP you get from Attack Bikes, but I've always preferred Assault Marines for the CC punch and terrain shenanigans. Thing I love about Epic is that just about everything is viable and the choice comes down to preference or situation.
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