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800peepee51doodoo posted:I don't doubt it. I've just seen how heated some native americans get when it comes to how their views get represented by tribal leadership and I've met people who definitely aren't happy about the Army's naming convention. That article (and a lot like it) are all, "these indian elders are into it and they speak for all native people so not racist!" which is a pretty racist view in itself. I think there's a lot more diversity of opinion on the subject within native american communities than, say, the Redskins issue, which is way more clear cut. 
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I can't understand why black people don't mind the Navy naming a ship the USS Harmon or USS George Washington Carver, but then get mad when I use the word "friend of the family" They're all just names for black people, what's the difference?
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Not email related but is anyone else being forced to watch that garbage "television event" Killing Jesus besides me? You know, the one even the fundamentalists are slamming as utter crap.
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Mar 29, 2015 23:20
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"I'm just TRYING to have a conversation about how persecuted white people are! Why aren't you being respectful?"   
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Mar 29, 2015 23:55
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If you don't already have it, socialfixer will automatically rename everybody for you.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:"I'm just TRYING to have a conversation about how persecuted white people are! Why aren't you being respectful?" "Why do blacks get Black History Month? Why isn't there a White History Month?" There is. It's called 'March through January'.
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Chimera-gui posted:Not email related but is anyone else being forced to watch that garbage "television event" Killing Jesus besides me? You know, the one even the fundamentalists are slamming as utter crap. My mom was going to watch it because of the True Blood guy in it, then she saw "based on the book by Bill O'Reilly" and changed her mind. Thank god my mom is somewhat sane.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If you don't already have it, socialfixer will automatically rename everybody for you. I keep forgetting to download that. Thanks!
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Rick_Hunter posted:"Why do blacks get Black History Month? Why isn't there a White History Month?" And February is Whites Whine About History Month
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VitalSigns posted:And February is Whites Whine About History Month You sure you didn't mean Whites Whine About 'Black History Month' Month? I was gonna say 'Whites Whine About Blacks Month' but that too is March through January.
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Mar 30, 2015 03:15
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Quote of the loving day right here. A flat tax, that we phase in with different bands. Of flatness.
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VitalSigns posted:Quote of the loving day right here.  What the gently caress? How do you even type that sentence without bleeding out of your ears?
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Because the word progressive has been so demonized they think progressive taxation is socialism.
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Mar 30, 2015 03:32
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Wouldn't "bands of flatness" just be how idiots already think tax brackets work?
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Not an actual forward, but today I got to hear my wife's grandmother talk about how she was going to stop going to KFC if they started using Michelle Obama in their advertising, which she had read "on some news thing on her phone."
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RagnarokAngel posted:There's a lot of legitimate complaints about it, honestly. Chief about it being that most probably dont wanna discuss race when they're trying to get their morning latte, or that a major corporation trying to act like they're creating some kind of grassroots movement comes off as really off putting, and that doesn't necessarily mean you agree racism doesn't exist or is a good thing. Eh, the more reasonable objections I've heard are more that Starbucks is cynically using current events to make itself seem socially responsible, the campaign is silly or trite, disingenuous, "slacktivism", etc. Make of it what you will, but even that viewpoint seems only to deserve some eye-rolling, not indignant rage and a perceived threat to identity. On another note, real talk: What is the actual religious freedom law thing in Indiana all about? Wasn't there something like that in the federal government in the 90's because a Navajo got fired for smoking peyote (as part of a ritual, not on the job or anything)? How is this one hosed up/different? I've googled, but all I get are hilariously loaded headlines from the relevant talking point factories.
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Meepo posted:Wouldn't "bands of flatness" just be how idiots already think tax brackets work? Well, no. That only applies to wages. One of the main proposals that things like flat taxes and fair taxes want is a tax on all income regardless of how you earned it and before you get to In theory tax brackets work that way. In practice they do not. The rich just kind of dodge like everything. A tiered flat tax would prevent that. If you make $X income in Y bracket (doesn't matter if it's wages, capital gains, dividends, bonuses, etc) you pay Z%. End of story. Pay up, Richy McMoneypants. The idea of a universal flat tax is about the same. You make $X you pay Y% of it. A pure flat tax hurts the poor but that's as easy as $X over $Y is taxed at Z%. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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The biggest difference is that Indiana explicitly gives for-profit businesses the right to sue for religious freedom, going beyond Hobby Lobby's "closely-held corporation" test (the Indiana law says individuals with "substantial ownership and control"). It took 20 years for someone to notice that "person" was left undefined in the federal RFRA and that there was another unrelated federal law that defined person to include corporations, which was why the decision was so controversial and anything but obvious. Other state RFRAs leave it as "person" (like Connecticut, though I'm not sure what the definition of person is under Connecticut state law, if any), or like Pennsylvania explicitly restrict it to individuals and religious non-profits. My take is that it's a stupid failure of an attempt by Pence to win support from fundies by promising them religious freedom (which he knows they will hear as "freedom to gaybash") while hoping to avoid backlash by never actually coming out and saying anything pro-discrimination, leading to hilarious answers like "Come on!" when asked if it should be legal to discriminate  It's unlikely to actually succeed in court if a business tries to sue a city or county for the right to discriminate (non-discrimination is a slam-dunk for a compelling state interest), but Pence doesn't actually care about that because that can be blamed on evil judges perverting our godly democracy. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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My theory is this, and simply this. Groups like the AFA, FRC and others are going about the way that a lot of right wing-fringe groups are now going. They know that they're not going to get anything accomplished on a national, federal level any more. They're on the losing end of that. However...they know they can ram poo poo through on the local level. They know that state senators and other people of that note could sure use the money for re-election. So they give x-amount of money to the state senator from Lebanon, Indiana and go "write this lovely bill we cooked up back in DC and we'll fund your re-election campaign". My theory is mainly based on what I saw the "Daily Show" report on similiar tactics involved with the Koch Bros. last year for a small time election some place in the midwest.
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Also, they're focusing on stuff like this Indiana bill because they kind of know that marriage equality nation wide is inevitable, and so they're retreating to a position that's more like, "Well, it might be legal, but let's pass a law so I don't ever want to ever have to see it, know about it, or ever be affected by it in any way." This is similar to the abortion fight stuff where conservatives retreated to, "well the government can never do anything ever involving abortion." Though, this eventually did ramp up into, "let's pass arcane building codes and rules to make sure there's no abortion clinics in our state." So this is a similar thing. When the supreme court ruling happens in June it will begin a new era of trying to be more creative in screwing over gay people at the state level.
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Flat tax: We removed all the loopholes by giving the rich the giant loophole of a tiny tax rate.
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VitalSigns posted:
Wait, am I reading that wrong, or is he saying that we shouldn't allow low(er) income people to "breed"?
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http://conservativetribune.com/us-marine-has-a-blunt-message-for-whiny-liberal-college-kids/
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There's someone on my facebook to posts crap from that website all the time. What a hateful website. Anyway, in that same vein, someone posted this complaining about common core. They asked what the point of it was.  I've always been lovely at math but it looks like its getting kids ready for algebra using small numbers, for some reason.
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Doctor Butts posted:There's someone on my facebook to posts crap from that website all the time. What a hateful website. That's probably not a great example, but basically people who can do math in their head frequently break it down into easer chunks before solving it. This is just teaching that method instead of making everyone come up with it independently, and those who don't are pretty much stuck using calculators or writing stuff out the long way.
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Xarthor posted:Wait, am I reading that wrong, or is he saying that we shouldn't allow low(er) income people to "breed"? A lot of conservatives hold the self contradicting belief that abortion should be illegal but we shouldn't allow poor people and minorities to have children.
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TVs Ian posted:That's probably not a great example, but basically people who can do math in their head frequently break it down into easer chunks before solving it. This is just teaching that method instead of making everyone come up with it independently, and those who don't are pretty much stuck using calculators or writing stuff out the long way. This is usually my takeaway from most of the problems in the OMG CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS COMMON CORE poo poo memes I've seen.
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Yeah, if I have to do a problem like 213-157 in my head I'll add 3 to 213 and 157 then subtract 160 from 200 and then add 16 to get the answer. It would look weird written out, but if I'm writing it out I'd probably use a different method.
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Common Core is pretty dope and I'm glad my son is using it. I've had to look up a few questions on YouTube and learn a long with him to help him with his homework, but it's a great tool for long-term learning.
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That method for addition and subtraction is the one I arrived at independently in my late teens. It would have been nice if it had been part of my elementary school curriculum.
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More complicated subtraction (say, with borrowing) would get the point across better. But that point is the opposite of the point the OP agrees with so...
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Doctor Butts posted:I've always been lovely at math but it looks like its getting kids ready for algebra using small numbers, for some reason. Yup. They're also making the "new" way look overly complex by showing work, where the "old" way just happens just do it like that what's the problem, math too good for you? If you showed work on the old way you'd have to -borrow a digit, creating a fake 10 -subtract just the rightmost digit from this fake ten, and take the remainder -remember that you had deincremented the left digit by one -repeat until answer Which is way harder to do in your head, and gets more difficult as the numbers to be operated on get larger. Or you could do something like: 32-12, knock out the twos 30-10, easy enough 20 Which is just the "new" way counting down instead of up. People who whine about common core are generally whining about corporate influence in public school curricula at best, or getting defensive because "if this new way is so good does that mean that the way I learned it was bad? I'm not dumb! You're dumb!" good old days bullshit.
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I don't know, everyone I hear complain about Common Core seem to be more angry about government and unions and their tax dollars.
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It's sort of like people who are genuinely angry about pluto. You don't have to feel bad if you forget a bunch of stuff you learned in middle or high school, but they really don't what stuff they learned in elementary school taken away from them. We teach arithmetic so you can understand higher math later. If it was about what-if-you-don't-have-a-calculator-someday, we wouldn't care, and it would be dying out like cursive lessons.
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Doctor Butts posted:There's someone on my facebook to posts crap from that website all the time. What a hateful website. the point is to get kids to learn to consider the problems in a more fluid manner rather than just memorizing tables or some easy-to-remember but non-intuitive algorithm. Ideally they learn more than one way to approach thing. in post-elementary school math education, a lot of kids are held back by the fact that they don't really understand how the operations work, which makes it hard to teach them order of operations, algebra, etc. they don't know that subtracting is finding the difference between two numbers, or that multiplication is the same as repeated adding, or don't get how multiplication and division are opposites. Common Core is targetting this problem. it is a Good Idea (specifically with regards to what it does with math: i haven't looked over other curriculum changes as much) and should be uncontroversial, but for people's belligerence toward math and constant need to feel outrage toward the government
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Someone a while ago typed this up for the thread and I've used it a couple times when I see people whining about "Why are there so many steps!?" It didn't change any minds though(surprise!)a goon posted:I hear they're using a new method to teach subtraction in schools. It's really bad wow whoa!! Look what our children are learning!
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When people complain about how cashiers can't calculate change easily, or rely on the machine to tell them how much change to give, it's because the "old" way is what's taught in schools and it's the hardest thing to do in your head. The "new" way makes intuitive sense if you're making change. Let's say you buy 74.59 worth of stuff and give me a hundred. I could do 10000 - 7459 the old way, but that would be horrible. The more sensible way to do it is: $74.59 > $74.60 = $0.01 $74.60 > $75.00 = $0.40 $75.00 > $100.00 = $25.00 So then all I have to do is count up a penny, four dimes, a five and a twenty. $25.41 easy peasy. That's what people are complaining about as the newfangled complicated way to do things.
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Jazu posted:We teach arithmetic so you can understand higher math later. If it was about what-if-you-don't-have-a-calculator-someday, we wouldn't care, and it would be dying out like cursive lessons.
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