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I guess I watched too much Captain Planet as a kid, then. Although... Pssst...Ben Aaronovitch, if you're reading this thread? River diety is mysteriously poisoned/pollulted to death! Think about it!
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Scorchy posted:Yeah they talk about a couple of rivers dying back in the industrial revolution from being rerouted into sewers. It's more that they were replaced by the new rivers in Mama Thames family. All the underground/industrialized rivers have dark skin.
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I, for one, am wondering about the mythical fallout to come from Beverly essentially invading a faerie plane with a with the equivalent of a nuclear bomb in the form of solid iron locomotive to rescue Peter. Also, I've caught up on Sandman Slim and Felix Castor. Have already read Alex Verus. What else is there in this sub-genre to read that is worth reading?
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Mar 30, 2015 18:51
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Wade Wilson posted:I, for one, am wondering about the mythical fallout to come from Beverly essentially invading a faerie plane with a with the equivalent of a nuclear bomb in the form of solid iron locomotive to rescue Peter. The Laundry Files.
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Mar 30, 2015 19:15
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The Daniel Faust books are pretty good.
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Mar 30, 2015 19:52
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Wade Wilson posted:I, for one, am wondering about the mythical fallout to come from Beverly essentially invading a faerie plane with a with the equivalent of a nuclear bomb in the form of solid iron locomotive to rescue Peter. "The Rook" by Daniel O'Malley was pretty good, but sadly just one book in the series so far. There's also the "Iron Druid" series by Kevin Hearne, the "Kate Daniels" series by Ilona Andrews and the "Nightside" series by Simon R. Green. I don't think they're as good as Dresden or Peter Grant, but I don't think they're terrible books either. Maybe give them a try if you run out of other books to read at least.
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Mar 30, 2015 20:27
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Apoffys posted:"The Rook" by Daniel O'Malley was pretty good, but sadly just one book in the series so far. I've read "The Rook" and regret reading the "Iron Druid" books. Going to give the Laundry books a try.
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Mar 30, 2015 21:27
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Apoffys posted:"The Rook" by Daniel O'Malley was pretty good, but sadly just one book in the series so far. I've read a few of the Nightside books by Simon Greene and have been thoroughly unimpressed. The Laundry Files books are great. I just read Equoid, and holy poo poo was it something.
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Mar 30, 2015 21:49
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Wade Wilson posted:I, for one, am wondering about the mythical fallout to come from Beverly essentially invading a faerie plane with a with the equivalent of a nuclear bomb in the form of solid iron locomotive to rescue Peter. October Daye by Seanan McGuire. The series picks up at An Artificial Night, so if you're the type to make a snap judgement you might want to start there. The Chronicles of Elantra - This is fantasy police procedural. Still, it shares a fair bit of overlap with urban fantasy, as they both draw from the hardboiled/noir fiction genre.
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Mar 30, 2015 22:27
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Definitely gonna second the Daniel Faust recommendation. Compared to Jim Butcher's Dresden Files series, Craig Schafer's series feels like a proper, raw, and gritty detective series. The contrast is quite stark--you're watching two police procedural, but one's on network TV and one's on HBO.
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Mar 30, 2015 22:56
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Apoffys posted:the "Nightside" series by Simon R. Green. I don't think they're as good as Dresden or Peter Grant, but I don't think they're terrible books either. The Nightside is the best bad series I have ever read, I own every one that has come out & do not regret it. heavy Noir feeling to them but the protagonist's power is so overpowered that he should be able to resolve every case in the first 20 pages but doesn't. Don't go into them expecting the greatest series but if you have read the sandman slim books & enjoyed them than you might like The Nightside series. One of the biggest complaints is that he reintroduces characters every time they appear in a new book, they are even reintroduced within the same book sometimes. If you end of liking the series you should also check out his other book series Secret Histories, essentially secret agent wizards protect the world from the super natural world & also keep everyone from knowing it.
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Mar 31, 2015 00:20
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Clinton1011 posted:The Nightside is the best bad series I have ever read, I own every one that has come out & do not regret it. Simon R. Green manages to build worlds I really like and then completely gently caress up the story he tells in them.
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Mar 31, 2015 02:58
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Here's a question: How big must Mac's bar be to have 13 ceiling fans?
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Khizan posted:Simon R. Green manages to build worlds I really like and then completely gently caress up the story he tells in them. This. It's the easiest thing in the world to copy and paste character descriptions...
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navyjack posted:This. It's the easiest thing in the world to copy and paste character descriptions... I feel that people don't comprehend just how bad this gets until they've read three or four books in the series.
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Mar 31, 2015 03:21
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navyjack posted:This. It's the easiest thing in the world to copy and paste character descriptions... Your comment makes me think of this: You can't shake hands with a mountain. You can't trade grips with a thunderstorm. You can't have sex with a blizzard. You can't dance with the ocean. You can't get a piggyback ride from crushing ennui. BUT IF YOU COULD... Butcher, bro, I love your story and the world you created but you have to find another way to illustrate heady new experiences that Dresden has. This probably shouldn't bug me as much as it does, but the imagery is constructed exactly the same way at least three times and it's really starting to stick out.
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Mar 31, 2015 05:06
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Che Delilas posted:Your comment makes me think of this: This is a problem you run into in long running series (wheel of time has a braid to pull, etc.). Verbal tics that aren't so bad in single novels get really annoying over 12 volumes.
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Mar 31, 2015 06:55
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Ornamented Death posted:I feel that people don't comprehend just how bad this gets until they've read three or four books in the series.
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Vateke posted:Here's a question: How big must Mac's bar be to have 13 ceiling fans? I'm blanking in the name sine it's been about 20 years since I've been there, but there is a famous underground pizza place in Chicago that Mac's place seems to be based on. When I say underground I mean literally, the places cachet is that it is in a building with a poor foundation so it is sinking. I remember it has a lot of brickwork arches in it and you were allowed to write on the bricks and table. Anyways, that big.
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Wade Wilson posted:I, for one, am wondering about the mythical fallout to come from Beverly essentially invading a faerie plane with a with the equivalent of a nuclear bomb in the form of solid iron locomotive to rescue Peter. Patricia Briggs. More romance, but better take on Fae.
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Vateke posted:Here's a question: How big must Mac's bar be to have 13 ceiling fans? Big enough to have a fight where Dresden cutting loose doesn't knock the Outsider into the street out the other end of the building.
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anilEhilated posted:Honestly, I find it best to treat Green as the guy who wrote Blue Moon Rising and then got killed and replaced by a copy/pasting doppelganger. This. And the first sequel wasn't TOO bad....but I made the mistake of reading the last one. Goddamn stupidest piece of literature I've ever read. I think I lost brain cells finishing it. Edit: although my buddy swears up and down that the deathstalker series is leaps and bounds better on audiobook.
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I tried to read one of those and couldn't even finish it. I mean, say what you will for Green, most of his books have either entertaining stupidity or a sufficient pace for you not to think about it. The one Deathstalker book I tried was just bloated; then again, I suppose audiobooks have to go through another layer of editing.
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Since various things have been keeping me busy I've not had much time to sit down and read, but while I was waiting at the station then on the train home this evening I finally got Moon Over Soho finished. Another great read on the whole; it had an exciting climax, a bitter denouement, and a fun little epilogue. As an amateur musician, I appreciated all the jazz-themed asides. Some thoughts I have immediately after finishing it (no doubt everyone has read it, but I'll put it in spoilers anyway): I thought Simone was a bit obvious, but I imagine she was unconsciously affecting Peter's mind, and other parts of his anatomy that influenced his reasoning. And: Has anyone ever seen or done any fanart of what's left of Lesley's face might look like? I'm having trouble picturing it, though I'm not sure why I want to. Morbid curiosity, I suppose.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is a problem you run into in long running series (wheel of time has a braid to pull, etc.). Verbal tics that aren't so bad in single novels get really annoying over 12 volumes. Yeah, I thought about that. I mean, you get things like Nynaeve smoothing her skirts or any of the women in that series sniffing to express disdain, etc. and it becomes a running gag among readers. But those things don't bother me (other than just being another symptom of so many characters in that series being hateful and annoying in and of themselves), not the way this bothers me. I think it's because it's so specifically evocative. It's exactly the same image, presented in exactly the same way, with the same cadence and idea progression, again and again. It's a good image, but man, Butcher seems to have fallen in love with it. He really has to come up with another way to illustrate what Dresden feels when he closely interacts with a godlike being, because at the rate this series is going it's going to keep happening.
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Che Delilas posted:
I don't agree. I think that the brain is very fond of familiar patterns, and having it throw up 'it was like x with X' as a patterned response to the vastness of divinity speaks quite clearly. It evokes both that vastness and the humanity inherent in the realization that there are larger things which our brain, rightly or wrongly, shies away from. It might be interesting to see butcher acknowledge that somewhere, although I don't know that harry is actually the right character to do so. It's more a molly, murphy, or malone observing harry comment.
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cbservo posted:This. And the first sequel wasn't TOO bad....but I made the mistake of reading the last one. I like Drinking Midnight Wine, but it's the only one of his I bothered to keep. I read the first six or so of the Nightside series after finding them for cheap at a book swap at a camp library in Kuwait when I was deployed there, and only finished those due to a high schlock tolerance and there being little else in the way of good light reading. I've never read Deathstalker or any of that series and I don't really intend to.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I like Drinking Midnight Wine, but it's the only one of his I bothered to keep. I read the first six or so of the Nightside series after finding them for cheap at a book swap at a camp library in Kuwait when I was deployed there, and only finished those due to a high schlock tolerance and there being little else in the way of good light reading. Deathstalker is his strongest, IMHO.
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LowellDND posted:Deus Ex Machina the series is his strongest, IMHO. Ftfy
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cbservo posted:Ftfy Well that could be any of his books 
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Sometimes a trashy, fan fictiony high that knows actual grammar is what you want. Sometimes reading about the Avalon rave party where King Arthur is Djing being crashed by mecha-lich hitler is pretty sweet. Even if it flies in the face of all good, non-repetitive taste.
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Grognan posted:Sometimes a trashy, fan fictiony high that knows actual grammar is what you want. Sometimes reading about the Avalon rave party where King Arthur is Djing being crashed by mecha-lich hitler is pretty sweet. Even if it flies in the face of all good, non-repetitive taste. Please tell me this is a real story? I want to read it.
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It took me too long to figure out that was "DJ-ing" and not "Djinn-ing".
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cbservo posted:Edit: although my buddy swears up and down that the deathstalker series is leaps and bounds better on audiobook. i think the Deathstalker Audio's are Graphic Audio productions. So rather than straight unabridged readings of the text they're done as Radio Plays with sound effects and multiple actors. I can imagine the Deathstalker books could be quite entertaining in that format.
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It's probably the wrong thread to ask but I'm curious about something. I get why iron is considered poisonous against fairies (nature/industry dichotomy going on). By that logic, shouldn't the undead be weak against salt since it's used not only as a perservative but also as a sacrament/purifying agent?
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It is, in a lot of fantasy. It's like the No.1 choice for making summoning circles.
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It's also THE cure for Zombies isn't it?
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No, that's shotguns.
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Masonity posted:It's also THE cure for Zombies isn't it? Mmm, salt cured zombie. I understand it's comparable to hamon serrano in flavor.
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