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TheModernAmerican posted:Are you one of those guys that stands in front of planned parenthoods with ABORTION = MURDER signs? Hahahaha holy poo poo, look at this guy. I'm guessing this is a troll, but yeah when the 7-months pregnant mother isn't actually planning on aborting, and is hoping to give birth and raise the kid, then killing her unborn child sure sounds like a crime equal to murder, in any sane person's books - even if it doesn't fit a textbook definition of "murder" - and it should be punished just as severely. Mr. Gibbycrumbles has a new favorite as of 16:58 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Yeah, as sad as that case is, let's not give ammunition to people who want to make all fetus terminations murder  it's coming from a place of righteous outrage, but there are political bodies just begging for an emotionally driven piece of legislation to exploit (think a much worse Megan's Law)
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Moey posted:I let this sit because this thread isn't a rant place. But really, cutting a 7 month old pre born baby out of the mothers stomach and it ending up dead isn't murder? Did you read your article? District Attorney Stan Garrett posted:Under Colorado law, essentially, there is no way murder charges can be brought if it's not established that the fetus lived as a child outside the body of the mother.
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Mar 28, 2015 16:36
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TheModernAmerican posted:Are you one of those guys that stands in front of planned parenthoods with ABORTION = MURDER signs? Haha not at all, I just don't seem to align with someone like that not getting lethal injection. Regardless, enough derails in this thread. Mister Mind posted:Did you read your article? Yes sir, doesn't mean I agree it. Let's move on.
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:Hahahaha holy poo poo, look at this guy. Yeah, no one would ever think of applying this to abortion!
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TheModernAmerican posted:Are you one of those guys that stands in front of planned parenthoods with ABORTION = MURDER signs? One of the reasons this is significantly different is actually explained in the article - a preemie born at the same age as the fetus would almost certainly survive, even with the most basic of medical care. This is way, way past the abortion stage. That's why it would have been considered murder if there had been proof that the baby lived after its delivery. It was old enough to survive outside the mother, but didn't (obviously).
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Are y'all aware that Wilkins is able to sue her attacker under a Colorado law that was passed and signed last year that provides civil remedies for the unlawful termination of a fetus without the consent of the mother? Like, the only difference between that bill and what people are talking about here is civil v. criminal, and oh look the text of the bill flat out statesquote:SECTION 1. Legislative declaration. (1) The general assembly hereby finds and declares that: But obviously there's no way to draft a criminal bill that would do the same things without it instantly turning into an anti-abortion measure! Here's the funniest loving part about this: I wasn't even searching for Colorado law. All I googled was "unlawful termination of pregnancy" and  there it was.EDIT: My bad, I thought Wilkins had died. Kugyou no Tenshi has a new favorite as of 17:27 on Mar 28, 2015 |
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Mar 28, 2015 17:24
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Get back on topic you jerks
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How about a slightly off topic backtrack unrelated to the stupid derail? I just checked the thread and I missed the whole airline disaster tangent by a few pages, but something about Delta Flight 191 left a lasting impression on me. Not the wiki article itself, but a scene from a documentary about airline disasters. Delta 191 crashed outside Dallas/Ft Worth, killing 148. It's famous because the NTSB investigation lasted over a year, and got the threat of microbursts to be taken seriously. What shook me was a scene where they recreated the event in a flight simulator and sprang it on a pilot. It only lasts a minute but when his instincts and adrenaline kick in there's suspension of disbelief, its like watching the real thing. I guess It's not bad if you're expecting it, but when it pops up out of nowhere after hours of dry analysis and voice transcripts it's like you're finally seeing what it looks like for the captain of a doomed airliner to die with his boots on. You just know his legs were shaking when he stood up to get out of the simulator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avvs79OO0bE&t=70s CVRs always have the added drama of a machine with so many safety warnings that it experiences Artificial Terror in its final moments, panicking and losing its poo poo right along with its crew.
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Syd Midnight posted:CVRs always have the added drama of a machine with so many safety warnings that it experiences Artificial Terror in its final moments, panicking and losing its poo poo right along with its crew. Always this, thats a really good way to put it. In many ways, after a few Mayday episodes, you start to feel like the crew is trying to hold things together while the airplane loudly freaks out about what is happening around it.
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On the subject of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation this incident always creeped me out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509 Basically captain was very senior (and apparently very grumpy) and the first officer was junior enough that they didn't feel like they could point out the mistake the captain was making (in this case believing a malfunctioning instrument). The upshot of this was the first officer sat there not saying a word while the captain crashed the plane.
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dissss posted:On the subject of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation this incident always creeped me out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509 The crash of BEA Flight 548 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_European_Airways_Flight_548) is still pretty drat mysterious but the over-bearing character of the captain is thought to have played a role. Someone on the plane retracted the leading-edge flaps far too early, causing the aircraft to stall, and then disengaged the anti-stall system. The captain was very senior in BEA, the other two flight crew were very junior and the captain had just that morning been involved in a "violent outburst" with another junior officer in the crew room over a proposed strike. That sort of Captain=God culture also played a part in the Tenerife disaster (amongst a lot of other interlocking factors) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster
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You and your wife are taking your four kids (two boys ages 1 and 3, two girls 6 and 11) to a birthday party, so wife puts kids in the Ford Expedition SUV and you follow in your truck. This is in Fresco, CA, in February, with zero worries about rain or snow. Your vehicles are in good condition, you are obeying the rules of the road, seatbelts all around, everything as routine as can be. Five minutes later you frantically try to save your trapped family from 15 foot flames engulfing the vehicle. Despite doing your best with no tools or help (the dad tried busting windows with his bare hands and got burned), you have no option but to watch everyone burn to death. This happened in February 2014, after the SUV got hit by a minivan that ran a stop sign at 57 mph (posted limit was 55 mph) resulting in the instant inferno. The driver of the minivan wasn't drunk or on a cell phone, but was wearing an eye patch that may have caused her to miss the stop sign. This story freaks me out as there was nothing the dad could have done differently, it was just the worst luck in the world and you go from being a happy family of six to a widower in an instant.
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Not an article, but I'm watching "Going Clear" and just... holy poo poo Scientology is hosed up.
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Syd Midnight posted:How about a slightly off topic backtrack unrelated to the stupid derail? I just checked the thread and I missed the whole airline disaster tangent by a few pages, but something about Delta Flight 191 left a lasting impression on me. Not the wiki article itself, but a scene from a documentary about airline disasters. what is life like as an unbelievable mewling coward
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Kanine posted:Not an article, but I'm watching "Going Clear" and just... Here's one of their completely insane rebuttal videos to Going Clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfI54h4Jhdk
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Here's one of their completely insane rebuttal videos to Going Clear. Rebuttal Video posted:...including one fabricated morsel in which his prized "source" describes a church facility as a "prison camp," a buzzword guaranteed to manipulate public misconception. Followed immediately by comparing his footage side-by-side with Nazi propaganda. Seriously, it's like it was written by members of a high school debate team. And not a good one.
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Build Your Own Boat posted:Followed immediately by comparing his footage side-by-side with Nazi propaganda. For me, the most baffling and stupid move in this comes at 6:21, when, in an attempt to discredit Mark Rathburn, shows a normal looking house with the voiceover smugly declaring "Here's where he lived after he was removed from the church. A far cry from the church's workers paradise". I mean, everyone knows that Scientologists are terrible at the internet, but do they really have this little understanding of how public perception works?
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Jonas Albrecht posted:... but do they really have this little understanding of how public perception works? yep
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I mean, everyone knows that Scientologists are terrible at the internet, but do they really have this little understanding of how public perception works? As someone who briefly dated a scientologist, I can confirm: Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. It's baffling.
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EZipperelli posted:As someone who briefly dated a scientologist, I can confirm: Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. It's baffling. Is it one of those things where they really don't understand why people don't like them, do you think? Like, they're not sure how to attack anti-scientology propaganda, so their attempts are really odd?
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Also they think they have superpowers. Watch this one defeat a local news reporter with mind powers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9uXd_71yrM
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Vindolanda posted:Is it one of those things where they really don't understand why people don't like them, do you think? Like, they're not sure how to attack anti-scientology propaganda, so their attempts are really odd? https://twitter.com/FreedomEthics They seriously just used "ZZZzzzzzzzz" and stock photos of people sleeping as a legitimate rebuttal to Going Clear.
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Wait, what? I thought Anonymous had taken Scientology down once and for all? Were people wearing those V for Vendetta masks for nothing?
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Jack Gladney posted:Also they think they have superpowers. Watch this one defeat a local news reporter with mind powers: I used to live two miles from that place. I always wondered how odd it was, since their building looks like pretty nondescript office space from the outside.
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Vindolanda posted:Is it one of those things where they really don't understand why people don't like them, do you think? Like, they're not sure how to attack anti-scientology propaganda, so their attempts are really odd? Something something about how you cannot reason with true believers. They're so deep into the Scientology myth and stories and fiction that they truly believe it to be 100% factual and true, and cannot comprehend the alternative. They actually cannot understand how anyone could possibly disagree with them.
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I haven't watched Going Clear, so I don't know if these are mentioned in there, but anyone who wants to know about the Church of Scientology should definitely be aware that they committed international espionage and attempted to destroy the life of a journalist critical of the Church. This is in addition to how they gained 501c3 status, namely by terrorizing the private lives of IRS employees until the director started a backroom deal to negotiate determination (and directly ordering IRS employees to ignore the fact that it was in violation of the law) in exchange for CoS backing the gently caress off.KozmoNaut posted:They actually cannot understand how anyone could possibly disagree with them. Sure they understand how people disagree. You see, they're masters of communication, therefore anyone who disagrees must have misunderstood a word. If you get angry or upset at what they've said, you've suffered an ARC break, which is more often thought to be the fault of the person suffering the break than the person who caused it - especially if the "breaker" is a higher degree than the "broken", or if one is in Scientology and the other not. In other words, they think they understand why people disagree, but their reason is literally "because they're wrong", "because they've been influenced by Suppressive Persons", or "because they themselves are a Suppressive Person".
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Has anyone mentioned Dead Hand / Perimeter yet? Dr. Strangelove wasn't just a comedy  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_%28nuclear_war%29 http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-dead-hand-system-may-still-be-active-2014-9 quote:Dead Hand was a weapon of last resort. It was created to ensure that even if the Soviet leadership was wiped out, a nuclear response could still be launched against the West and NATO in retaliation.
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Vindolanda posted:Is it one of those things where they really don't understand why people don't like them, do you think? Like, they're not sure how to attack anti-scientology propaganda, so their attempts are really odd? It's really hard to explain. The best way I can, is that they're almost incredulous about why you're not a scientologist, and then non-stop about why you SHOULD BE a scientologist. It sometimes seems like they don't understand social context and social cues. They'll keep dropping scientology into conversations that have absolutely nothing to do with it. They're also very awkward. Awkward in the way someone would be, if they're ONLY understanding of America was 80s television shows, and then they come here thinking that what they saw was how they're supposed to act. Bad description, I know, but it's the best I can come up with off the top of my head. FWIW, my girlfriend was somewhat normal, not totally crazy yet, but her parents were something else entirely... Zipperelli. has a new favorite as of 15:51 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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EZipperelli posted:It's really hard to explain. The best way I can, is that they're almost incredulous about why you're not a scientologist, and then non-stop about why you SHOULD BE a scientologist. It sometimes seems like they don't understand social context and social cues. They'll keep dropping scientology into conversations that have absolutely nothing to do with it. If they can bring in new converts, maybe they don't have to sign over their house to the Church or quit their job to work on Church grounds to be able to afford their auditing and classes. Or maybe they won't be held as out-ethics for not helping those poor people who need Scientology to learn how to take control of their lives. ...guess I'm reading through Operation Clambake again. Also, Inevitable posted:Wait, what? I thought Anonymous had taken Scientology down once and for all? Were people wearing those V for Vendetta masks for nothing? I always got a laugh out of how so many of the Project Chanology protesters seemed to have no idea that people have been fighting against Scientology for longer than any of them have been alive, like all this information on the Church was just tucked away into a dark corner of the 'net never having been read until some /b/tard discovered it.
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EZipperelli posted:It's really hard to explain. The best way I can, is that they're almost incredulous about why you're not a scientologist, and then non-stop about why you SHOULD BE a scientologist. It sometimes seems like they don't understand social context and social cues. They'll keep dropping scientology into conversations that have absolutely nothing to do with it. Sounds like the perfect religion for bitcoiners.
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Literally Kermit posted:Also the reason why the Twin Towers looked so much like a controlled collapse wasn't because of secret explosives or anything, it did exactly what it was designed to do, which was pancake downward. The chance of a skyscraper staying intact and just falling over lengthwise, killing far more people, just didn't test well with focus groups, so the architects have to take in worst-case scenarios into consideration. This is something I learned as a drat kid, by the way, after the '93 bombing.
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EZipperelli posted:It's really hard to explain. The best way I can, is that they're almost incredulous about why you're not a scientologist, and then non-stop about why you SHOULD BE a scientologist. It sometimes seems like they don't understand social context and social cues. They'll keep dropping scientology into conversations that have absolutely nothing to do with it. To be fair, that's true of diehard fans of anything - Josh Whedonites, "Community", veganism, football ...
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I have here a Scientology DVD that someone recycled. It doesn't appear to be on Youtube. It's called "The Golden Age of Tech Phase II" and it is amazing. Unfortunately, it's scratched, and i've had great trouble ripping it properly, even though it plays just fine. Is there a program that will ignore a brief error on a DVD?
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atomicthumbs posted:I have here a Scientology DVD that someone recycled. It doesn't appear to be on Youtube. It's called "The Golden Age of Tech Phase II" and it is amazing. You could record it directly as it plays rather than ripping it. VLC probably does it.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:You could record it directly as it plays rather than ripping it. VLC probably does it. I'm almost positive that VLC will do this. Please upload it.
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The Golden Age of Tech II I'm not so sure how safe this site is, but this is some of the video (I think) and hoo boy its a doozy  I HAVE SUPER POWER 
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This seems to have become the catch-all for creepy/mystery stuff so ya'll might be interested to check out the two recent AMA's on Reddit's UnresolvedMysteries subreddit from prominent investigators on the JonBennet Ramsay case. The first was deleted but you should be able to find images from google, the recent by Beckner is still on the front.
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Minarchist posted:The Golden Age of Tech II If I didn't know better I'd think this is a Tim & Eric sketch with how over the top it is, the music, and how so many words are used to say nothing
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