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thexerox123 posted:Games And you post a picture of the NES version.  Everyone knows the Dos version is the only version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ6frFkKZYs Note: I have no idea if the NES version is any good at all. I didn't even vote! v  v
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Twelve by Pies posted:First thought upon reading that: "Isn't that the one where Barclay turns into a spider?" Answer: Yep. It also had Troi becoming a dolphin, Riker becoming a caveman, Worf becoming a kind of prehistoric monster Klingon, Data's cat spot becoming an iguana, and I'm fairly sure Picard starts on the road to becoming some sort of possum-like creature. For some reason, the cat becoming a lizard bothers me the most. 
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Apr 1, 2015 13:01
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So other than "Threshold" and a couple other clunkers I'm actually enjoying the second season of Voyager. Is something wrong with me?
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Apr 1, 2015 13:09
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thexerox123 posted:Games I have a pretty pristine copy of this game (box and books and all) that I was about to throw on eBay. Any goon interested in buying instead PM me. edit: the PC version. Didn't know there was an NES version! 
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Apr 1, 2015 13:13
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Pikestaff posted:So other than "Threshold" and a couple other clunkers I'm actually enjoying the second season of Voyager. I'm pretty sure the second season was my least favorite. Like every other episode was unbearably stupid... Maybe there is something wrong with you...
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Apr 1, 2015 13:34
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I mean, it's not TNG/DS9, but it could be worse, I guess And The Doctor improves basically anything he appears in.
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Apr 1, 2015 13:41
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Pikestaff posted:So other than "Threshold" and a couple other clunkers I'm actually enjoying the second season of Voyager. I recently caught myself liking and sympathizing with Neelix, in a Neelix episode ("Jetrel"). I think I need to be put down. 
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Apr 1, 2015 14:06
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Twelve by Pies posted:That would explain why The Naked Now was the third episode. Naked Now was done because Roddenberry had totally dropped the ball on getting stories into development in a timely fashion and needed something that could be written up quickly. I'd be willing to bet the TOS veterans weren't happy about so blatantly rehashing a TOS episode so soon.
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Apr 1, 2015 15:15
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Naked Now was done because Roddenberry had totally dropped the ball on getting stories into development in a timely fashion and needed something that could be written up quickly. I'd be willing to bet the TOS veterans weren't happy about so blatantly rehashing a TOS episode so soon. It is also the reason that their were no more mentions of the original series for until season 3 with Sarek
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Apr 1, 2015 15:24
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Railing Kill posted:I recently caught myself liking and sympathizing with Neelix, in a Neelix episode ("Jetrel"). I think I need to be put down. When Neelix is used as an actual character instead of just annoying comic relief, he actually has his moments, like Jetrel. The writing team seem to have not cottoned to this notion though and so he's mostly either annoying everyone (Which is admittedly hilarious when it's Tuvok) or being a super creeper about his two year old girlfriend. That said Kes is one of the better characters because she's a total sweetheart and also doesn't gently caress things up. But yeah, sympathizing with Neelix, I know that feel
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Apr 1, 2015 15:28
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Mister Adequate posted:When Neelix is used as an actual character instead of just annoying comic relief, he actually has his moments, like Jetrel. The writing team seem to have not cottoned to this notion though and so he's mostly either annoying everyone (Which is admittedly hilarious when it's Tuvok) or being a super creeper about his two year old girlfriend. That said Kes is one of the better characters because she's a total sweetheart and also doesn't gently caress things up. Even sticking with the Kes is 2 premise, they could have done so much more with her character. Because of their accelerated/protracted life spans, Ocampans should have been like the ultimate go-getters. Kes should have joined starfleet by online classes by season two and been promoted above harry by season 3. Kes should have been debating Vulcan Philosophy with Tuvok. And most importantly, Kes should have been the initiator in any romantic interests, rather than being "sort of" with Neelix from the beginning. The fact that she's essentially trapped in an abusive relationship because she's an outsider and Neelix "rescued" her from the Kazon is one of the worst writing decisions ever. The whole series she shows very little romantic interest in Neelix and she constantly has to put up with his controlling behavior and jealousy. Neelix is the biggest loving goon and he considers Kes his waifu even though it's never really established that she wants to be with him.
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Apr 1, 2015 15:37
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I feel really bad for the actor playing Neelix (Ethan Philips?) He's a strong character actor with a solid resume and his gig on Voyager is literally "Pedo comic relief". He must have been so frustrated when he saw where his character was going .. Absolutely nowhere.
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Apr 1, 2015 16:10
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Wheat Loaf posted:It also had Troi becoming a dolphin, Riker becoming a caveman, Worf becoming a kind of prehistoric monster Klingon, Data's cat spot becoming an iguana, and I'm fairly sure Picard starts on the road to becoming some sort of possum-like creature. Picard began turning into a lemur or marmoset. Riker as a neanderthal was totally believable and you can't say Worf as a Klingon caveman wasn't cool.
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Apr 1, 2015 16:10
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bobkatt013 posted:It is also the reason that their were no more mentions of the original series for until season 3 with Sarek That was built into the writer's bible before they even started. There was a 'no Vulcans' rule and everything. They really wanted to distance themselves from TOS so they could stand alone.
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MikeJF posted:That was built into the writer's bible before they even started. There was a 'no Vulcans' rule and everything. They really wanted to distance themselves from TOS so they could stand alone. You know besides Bones appearing in the first episode also a Vulcan appearing in the first season. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Apr 1, 2015 16:52
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tessiebee posted:I feel really bad for the actor playing Neelix (Ethan Philips?) He's a strong character actor with a solid resume and his gig on Voyager is literally "Pedo comic relief". He must have been so frustrated when he saw where his character was going .. Absolutely nowhere. That's literally everyone on Voyager, though, save The Doctor. Every character got treated abominably by the writing crew and producers. TUVOK WILL NEVER GET HOOOOOOOOOOME!
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Apr 1, 2015 16:56
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Apoplexy posted:That's literally everyone on Voyager, though, save The Doctor. Every character got treated abominably by the writing crew and producers. TUVOK WILL NEVER GET HOOOOOOOOOOME! Also, concerning Tuvok's lute: I know that making musical instruments is hard, but after all of the planets with health forests the visited, Tuvok never attempted to harvest materials to construct a lute? Like he never replicated one because he thought it was an irresponsible use of replicator rations, but given his Vulcan patience and extreme attention to detail, he probably could have made a project of it.
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Apr 1, 2015 17:15
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Snak posted:Even sticking with the Kes is 2 premise, they could have done so much more with her character. Because of their accelerated/protracted life spans, Ocampans should have been like the ultimate go-getters. Kes should have joined starfleet by online classes by season two and been promoted above harry by season 3. Kes should have been debating Vulcan Philosophy with Tuvok. And most importantly, Kes should have been the initiator in any romantic interests, rather than being "sort of" with Neelix from the beginning. I always got the impression her grasp of medicine under the Doctor's tutelage was incredibly quick, but yeah I agree with what you say here. Whenever their relationship is questioned Kes always leaps to defend it and talk about how much she adores Neelix, but we never actually see the relationship outside of Neelix being a huge loving goon and she has to forgive him for whatever stupid poo poo he's jealous about this week. I feel that Neelix is the most underused character though (except maybe Kim), the more I think about it - the whole masking his pain and loss with cheerfulness, his desperate need to be liked and useful, all that poo poo, ties in really well with his backstory. Then it never goes anywhere. Whenever I see a Voyager crewmember  , I really wonder why a bigger deal isn't made out of it. These people have skills that cannot be replaced, and the crew will get stretched increasingly thin as more people deplete. They'd have needed solutions to this, and they would also have had far more "Well I sure wish Ensign Richard Butt was alive to help with this, we'd get it done in half the time". When someone's in trouble with Janeway she's always like "Welp can't throw you in the brig because we need you don't do it again".I'm actually enjoying watching Voy a lot more than I expected and like Pikestaff I'm finding Season 2 to be pretty great now that Threshold is behind us, but ugh lost potential is The Worst.
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Apr 1, 2015 18:08
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Mister Adequate posted:I'm actually enjoying watching Voy a lot more than I expected and like Pikestaff I'm finding Season 2 to be pretty great now that Threshold is behind us, but ugh lost potential is The Worst. That's the worst part about watching VOY after seeing the BSG reboot. Not that it was perfect, but Ron Moore nailed some of the turbulent feelings and deep problems that would crop up in a survival situation and Voyager could have skipped the paranoia and politicking that weighed down BSG. It could have been great 
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I just want to remind people that Season 2 of Voyager has The 37's, Tattoo, Threshold, The Thaw, and Tuvix. Season 2 is the worst season of Voyager.
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Kaysette posted:That's the worst part about watching VOY after seeing the BSG reboot. Not that it was perfect, but Ron Moore nailed some of the turbulent feelings and deep problems that would crop up in a survival situation and Voyager could have skipped the paranoia and politicking that weighed down BSG. This post brought me to the wonderful thought that is Janeway doing All Is Lost in space. At the end she finally sees a Starfleet rescue ship and gently caress you it turns out she was just hallucinating as she ran out of oxygen in her spacesuit.
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Apr 1, 2015 19:04
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thexerox123 posted:
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Apr 1, 2015 19:55
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Mister Kingdom posted:But the TV show had a six-foot tall talking carrot! This is the most thrilling Space Carrot character I've heard of since the Boojums in Alan Dean Foster's Cat-a-lyst.
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Apr 1, 2015 19:58
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Mogomra posted:I just want to remind people that Season 2 of Voyager has The 37's, Tattoo, Threshold, The Thaw, and Tuvix. Season 2 is the worst season of Voyager. The Thaw is good though.
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Apr 1, 2015 20:15
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armoredgorilla posted:The Thaw is good though. Experience BIJ! 
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Apr 1, 2015 20:29
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Voyager was basically the crazy Janeway, Doctor and 7 of 9 show and gently caress the rest of the cast. Tuvok occasionally gets a look in. Kim, Paris and Chakotay might as well not even exist.
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Apr 1, 2015 20:36
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Which S1 TNG episode had a Vulcan? Ugh I can't believe I asked that. I suppose even old man Roddenbery would have perceived a difference between 'an extra in the background of a starbase or Starfleet Academy has the ears' and 'we're having More Vulcans On The Show'
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Apr 1, 2015 21:02
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armoredgorilla posted:The Thaw is good though. Just because it has Michael McKean doesn't make it good. 
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Apr 1, 2015 21:15
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Lowen SoDium posted:Seriously? It's a fun movie that resurrected a dead franchise. My dad grew up watching TOS as it aired, owned every single TOS novel, arranged TNG viewing parties, and he absolutely loved ST09. Goons hate it because it's popular. 
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Nessus posted:Which S1 TNG episode had a Vulcan? Ugh I can't believe I asked that. Coming of Age
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Mogomra posted:I just want to remind people that Season 2 of Voyager has The 37's, Tattoo, Threshold, The Thaw, and Tuvix. Season 2 is the worst season of Voyager. Look at how wrong this guy is: 40% wrong. "The Thaw" and "Tuvix" are both good episodes. Basically all the hate for Tuvix is because Janeway can do no wrong and there are no longterm consequences in Voyager. It's still a good episode even though it's not what people want it to be.
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Apr 1, 2015 21:25
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Mogomra posted:And you post a picture of the NES version. As long as you sprang for the CD-ROM version with Fully Voiced Cast Dialog and not the Sub-Par Floppy Disk Version For Jerks.
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Apr 1, 2015 21:32
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It's a fun movie that resurrected a dead franchise. My dad grew up watching TOS as it aired, owned every single TOS novel, arranged TNG viewing parties, and he absolutely loved ST09. Goons hate it because it's popular. My mom grew up watching TOS as it aired, owns two shelves worth of TOS and TNG novels, and was first in line to see TMP when it came out, when she got home from ST09 she didn't seem impressed. Goons are critical of the new movies the same way they're critical of the TNG films. Have the new films entered the public consciousness at all except as a latest entry in a long line of recent blockbuster franchise reboots/launches? Will Star Trek films continue to be made beyond the 3rd one, or a TV series, or will the franchise return to dormancy again? It's still too early to really answer these questions.
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Apr 1, 2015 21:38
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I don't personally hate Tuvix, the episode or the character, but I'm just like Janeway and Kes in that I want Tuvok more.
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Apr 1, 2015 21:39
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Snak posted:Look at how wrong this guy is: 40% wrong. You're right, it's an exceptional example of how bad Voyager is.  Tuvix is bad because it makes no sense, and the rest of the crew murder Tuvix at the end which also makes no sense. The Thaw is bad because it's just dumb, and McKean's character is really annoying and not at all menacing.
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Tighclops posted:My mom grew up watching TOS as it aired, owns two shelves worth of TOS and TNG novels, and was first in line to see TMP when it came out, when she got home from ST09 she didn't seem impressed. Goons are critical of the new movies the same way they're critical of the TNG films. Hey man, I enjoyed the last two Trek movies as popcorn entertainment, and I've actually praised First Contact as a fun variation on the "Die Hard on a..." concept. ST09 and STID are not without their flaws, but I maintain that the former would actually sit in the top half of Trek films if listed and STID would actually be somewhere in the middle of the pack. My issue with Generations is that as gorgeous as it may be to look at, it's far too meandering, with little actual focus and a script that could have used a few more drafts. Insurrection is hard to give a gently caress about because I find it so plodding with a plot that would have worked far better as a 1-hour TNG episode examining the morality of the Federation's actions and Nemesis is a piece of poo poo through-and-through. Mogomra posted:Tuvix is bad because it makes no sense, and the rest of the crew murder Tuvix at the end which also makes no sense. Plus Tuvix as a character is actually pretty cool, and in subsequent episodes, when Neelix is all Neelixing, it's like "they murdered Tuvis for this?" Which brings me back to the criticism made earlier on this page - there were some plum opportunities to really expand on the character and develop him into someone that is deserving of some pathos when you consider his backstory, but as usual, Voyager hosed it up. Mogomra posted:The Thaw is bad because it's just dumb, and McKean's character is really annoying and not at all menacing. The Thaw is a reasonable self-contained TOS-esque story and is one of the better Voyager episodes. It's just that it's not exactly a high bar. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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Mogomra posted:Tuvix is bad because it makes no sense, and the rest of the crew murder Tuvix at the end which also makes no sense. It's true a group of people have never murdered someone to prevent uncomfortable change. And rationalized as a group that it wasn't murder and was the right thing to do.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It's a fun movie that resurrected a dead franchise. My dad grew up watching TOS as it aired, owned every single TOS novel, arranged TNG viewing parties, and he absolutely loved ST09. Goons hate it because it's popular. I didn't hate it because it was popular, nor has anyone else in this thread. It's a mindless action movie full of plot holes and no substance. It's only redeeming quality is Karl Urban.
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How is it any more mindless than the 10 movies that came before? The only Trek movie that's even partially cerebral is TMP. Everything else is popcorn.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:How is it any more mindless than the 10 movies that came before? The only Trek movie that's even partially cerebral is TMP. Everything else is popcorn. At this point you're basically defining everything short of films like 2001 or Solaris as mindless popcorn, which is of course ludicrous. There is a palpable difference, between the subject matter between say, TUC and ID and how it's handled and presented in both films. One is a dramatic political thriller and the other is a breathless excuse to get from blue/orange CG setpiece to blue/orange CG setpiece.
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