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How are u posted:I mean cheating is pretty rampant and prevalent throughout US universities so its not like we have some sort of moral high ground there, its just that you have to actually put some effort into your cheating so its not painfully obvious. You should check the "Venting about students" thread, it'll blow your mind.
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How are u posted:I mean cheating is pretty rampant and prevalent throughout US universities so its not like we have some sort of moral high ground there, its just that you have to actually put some effort into your cheating so its not painfully obvious. It's not all that prevalent- it's mostly that it's heavily discussed when it happens on any scale. It's certainly a norm violation in some/most of the US in a way that apparently isn't the case in some parts of China.
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My dad is a professor at a university where I think the number of EFL students is greater than native speakers. He deals with constant cheating on essays. As he told me, "Chinese students just copy and paste paragraphs then deny doing it. Russian students are better at it: they pay people to write essays for them."
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Apr 1, 2015 03:26
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GoutPatrol posted:My dad is a professor at a university where I think the number of EFL students is greater than native speakers. He deals with constant cheating on essays. As he told me, "Chinese students just copy and paste paragraphs then deny doing it. Russian students are better at it: they pay people to write essays for them." Fear the Beijing-Moscow axis
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How are u posted:I mean cheating is pretty rampant and prevalent throughout US universities so its not like we have some sort of moral high ground there, its just that you have to actually put some effort into your cheating so its not painfully obvious. Paging GBM to the thread. Tell us about your Chinese friend who bought her diploma from a "good" university. It really isn't the same.
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What do you guys think about this? http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/03/massive-denial-of-service-attack-on-github-tied-to-chinese-government/ Probably old news now, but apparently the Chinese government (or their affliates) have been DDoSing github for five days by injecting malicious code into a website traffic tracker offered by Baidu, making millions of people unwilling vectors for a DDoS attack and exploiting China's closed Internet infrastructure. The DDoS attack is targeting two specific anti-censorship services offered on GitHub. Here's a blog post from one of the services affected, GreatFire: https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2015/mar/chinese-authorities-compromise-millions-cyberattacks quote:Inserting malicious code in this manner can only be done via the Chinese Internet backbone. Even if CAC did not launch the DDoS attack directly, they are responsible for managing the internet in China and it is not possible that they did not know what was happening. These attacks have occurred under CAC’s watch and would have needed the approval of Lu Wei. Considering that China is also trying to drop a lot of foreign technology companies due to the NSA, and China's dubious systems of higher learning and scientific research, and China is well on its way to becoming a pariah from the rest of the world's technological infrastructure. It's the Ming dynasty all over again. E: Could someone go into more detail on how dropping foreign tech companies is somehow a benefit for the Chinese economy in the long run? I mean, if a business that is friendly to the Chinese government shits out an inferior product, and doesn't have any real competition, crutched by the Chinese government, isn't China shooting itself in the foot? America Inc. fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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This was a fun fluff piece, too long to quote in here though: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/i-followed-my-stolen-iphone-across-the-world-became-a-celebr
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Arglebargle III posted:Paging GBM to the thread. Tell us about your Chinese friend who bought her diploma from a "good" university. My ex-girlfriend had just stopped going to classes at her university in Tianjin and found out she couldn't get into graduate school in the USA without graduating. She paid her professors to change her grades and two made her write papers that she did on my laptop in less than an hour by just copying loads of poo poo from Chinese Google. My good mate here in Tianjin is married to a local girl who studied at Nankai, a top ten Chinese university. She was discussing her job prospects abroad and my friend told her "your degree is meaningless and you've never had a job before" and she got offended and my friend reminded her that her good friend straight up bought a degree from the same university the same year, without ever even attending a single class. The xinjiang girl I used to hang out with during a final exam literally got up and walked across the room to see what her friend wrote on a FASHION final. She called me in tears that the professor had caught her. Her penatly was taking the test the next day again. Stories like this go on and on and on. The sad thing is that there is just so little effort that goes into it. And then they will deny they were cheating. When I worked at the foreign studied high school kids would go to crazy lengths to cheat, if they put half the effort they put into cheating into actually learning the material, I would have given them 90s or so. Instead I always had a slew of kids that got like 40s and then had their parents calling me, screaming at me, calling me horrible names, before calming down and asking how much I want to change their grade. It's bad in other places in the world, I'm sure, but I'm not in rural Alabama or Croydon or the mountains in rural Uzbekistan. I live in one of the most developed places in China. It's hilarious and I like posting about it on SA because no one at has ever been to China that I know back in Europe or North America ever believe my stories lol
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Apr 1, 2015 11:19
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I just want to know how much she paid her professor?
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LookingGodIntheEye posted:Considering that China is also trying to drop a lot of foreign technology companies due to the NSA, and China's dubious systems of higher learning and scientific research, and China is well on its way to becoming a pariah from the rest of the world's technological infrastructure. Not really. On the one hand, China isn't doing itself any favors in terms of competitiveness. "Made in China" is a byword for awful quality, and even moreso in the realm of intellectual property. But was China ever really going to outcompete Germany, the US, or Japan in their traditional export markets? Probably not. On the other hand, Western countries are unwilling to engage in retaliatory protectionism. With the current environment, China can basically steal Western ideas forever and make bank selling it to their captive audience whose access to the original western competitors is limited by law. That's what I have to say about that.
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I made my students write a short half-page to one-page essay on a really easy topic for homework. It was an oral English class but I was testing something related somehow (I can't remember exactly). I made them read this aloud in class. The main thing I remember is this kid who could barely talk was stumbling across his essay, but it was well-written with perfect grammar. I cut him off and asked if he found it online. He said he did, but he wrote it. I was like, "If you found it online, then obviously you didn't write it. Someone else did..." We went back and forth like this for a while, and finally I found out that his point was that he used his pen to write the essay down onto his own paper, meaning he "wrote it." To him, this showed that he put a lot of work into it, and he legitimately didn't think he had done anything wrong. He was really confused and upset that I gave him a zero!
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Stringent posted:This was a fun fluff piece, too long to quote in here though: Surely it would feel wrong doing so, but I wonder how much money he could've milked his newfound celebrityhood for if he felt so inclined.
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Apr 1, 2015 14:37
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angel opportunity posted:
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angel opportunity posted:I made my students write a short half-page to one-page essay on a really easy topic for homework. It was an oral English class but I was testing something related somehow (I can't remember exactly). A friend told me a story about a chinese student who had to hold a presentation about some stuff at his course at the tech uni. They agreed that he could do it in english. The day comes and the dude basically reads some incoherent stuff (or more precise a gold text like you posted in the china.jpeg thread) from a paper that accompanied his powerpoint. Everybody who listened or who cared was puzzled. I think my buddy mentioned palpable fear as silence fell upon the room and to the horror of the guy, people started to ask him questions. He just smiled and read something from the paper that had nothing to do with the question that he was asked. Apparently stuff like that happened over and over with other chinese exchange students, not to mention the plagiates that they handed in as homework. Power Khan fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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I have heard rumours of Mainland students at flight school flying off to remote airstrips and running the engine on the ground to spin the clock. They were also responsible for writing off two aircraft in one year. Bounced one at the home airfield and the other flew it into an oxidation pond at the end of a runway because they were using "GPS" wind measurements instead of looking out the window. gently caress those guys.
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oohhboy posted:I have heard rumours of Mainland students at flight school flying off to remote airstrips and running the engine on the ground to spin the clock. They were also responsible for writing off two aircraft in one year. Bounced one at the home airfield and the other flew it into an oxidation pond at the end of a runway because they were using "GPS" wind measurements instead of looking out the window. gently caress those guys. I just find this so baffling. It's like nobody wants to succeed at anything no matter how fun and cool they might find it. Maybe they're afraid of failing and so they don't try.
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You guys wanted me to explain why China is bad but then you go and do all the work for me!
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I had my students do group presentations last semester and one group stood up in front of the class and had one member read a Wikipedia article off his phone, which he cleverly was holding behind a blank sheet of paper that was thin enough to easily see through. The article also had nothing to do with the topic of the presentation. I then had to explain multiple times why they all failed.
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Do you actually fail them or do you just pretty much roll with it? Doesn't the school get pissed if you're the only teacher who doesn't get how things work? I can't imagine your continued employment would be very safe if literally everyone in the country does this routinely like people are saying
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Getting deja vu just reading all this, I once had a final where I asked students to form small groups and write and perform a short skit about literally anything they wanted. Of course half of them blatantly copied stuff off the internet, including one great class where two groups accidentally performed the same skit they got off the internet. I spent 15 minutes when I was giving them the assignment just explaining over and over again that as long as they made it up themselves they would get a good grade, and the only way to fail was to just copy something off the internet, and they still couldn't help but to gently caress up colossally. My favorite was this girl who hadn't been there all semester, she came in for the first time and did the thing Grand Fromage just said, where she tried angling her body so that I wouldn't see her holding her phone. It was awkward and terrible because she was just rambling off all the parts of some Chinese copy of Cinderella or something, when I walked up and saw her phone she put it away and then let the silence stretch out until I told her she could sit down. Gave her 0% for her grade for the semester, learned soon after that she does that for every class and that her parents are rich coal miners or something and that they just call the school at the end of every semester and send enough money to get all the grades reset. I know that plagiarism happens in American schools, but, uh....
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icantfindaname posted:Do you actually fail them or do you just pretty much roll with it? Doesn't the school get pissed if you're the only teacher who doesn't get how things work? I can't imagine your continued employment would be very safe if literally everyone in the country does this routinely like people are saying Our school is designed to be like attending American high school to prep kids to go to western universities (usually the US) so I do actually fail them, yes. I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't.
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So... did her parents call you up and offer you $$$?
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Nope. The school handles the parents. I had a parent-teacher meeting once but the only parents who actually bothered to show up were the parents of the good students so there wasn't a lot to discuss.
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icantfindaname posted:Do you actually fail them or do you just pretty much roll with it? Doesn't the school get pissed if you're the only teacher who doesn't get how things work? I can't imagine your continued employment would be very safe if literally everyone in the country does this routinely like people are saying Sounds like GF is helping the school get funded.
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How are they told people get educated in the West, out of curiosity?
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Do the standardized tests also have an equal amount of cheating? Cause the "West" loves to freak out about how much higher Chinese test scores are, especially in math, but if there's such widespread cheating then of course their scores would be higher if everyone is just copying off the few actually smart students. Not to say this kind of thing doesn't occasionally happen in America. A cousin of mine cheated on the SATs and in a bunch of AP classes to get into Stanford. He later dropped out to join a hedge fund... *sigh*
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Fojar38 posted:How are they told people get educated in the West, out of curiosity? I'm going to guess they aren't, not anywhere approaching honesty.
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Grand Fromage posted:Our school is designed to be like attending American high school to prep kids to go to western universities (usually the US) so I do actually fail them, yes. I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't. Oh okay, so you're not teaching at a normal Chinese high school. What proportion of people with the means to do so send put their kids in high schools like that?
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Greater focus on the students. Students are expected to participate in the class in various ways. Asking questions, class discussion, confronting the teacher. They have more autonomy and responsibility. They're expected to actually do the work assigned. They have to do writing assignments and creative/critical thinking tasks instead of memorizing for multiple choice exams. I give them things that aren't fully explained because figuring it out on their own is part of the learning process. When I see their Chinese classes they're always one of the following: Teacher reads from the book for the entire period while students sit around talking to each other or playing games on their phones. Watching subtitled anime. Apparently nothing? They're just sitting around on their desks loving around while the teacher is doing whatever, I have no idea what's going on.
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Ccs posted:Do the standardized tests also have an equal amount of cheating? Cause the "West" loves to freak out about how much higher Chinese test scores are, especially in math, but if there's such widespread cheating then of course their scores would be higher if everyone is just copying off the few actually smart students. They have rampant cheating and also just straight out make poo poo up for the test scores. Stats for Asian test scores are complete bullshit and all those western people who make hay out of it are idiots who don't know anything about how education works here. Every test score from China/Korea/Japan/Taiwan should be treated as utter nonsense. US universities know this now, too, and are starting to assume all scores from Chinese students are fake. The SATs were cancelled in the entirety of South Korea last year because of cheating, and they aren't even offered in China. Chinese kids have to go to Hong Kong or Taiwan to take the test. My Imaginary GF posted:I'm going to guess they aren't, not anywhere approaching honesty. They actually are. What's funny is while there are all those people talking about OMG ASIAN EDUCATION in the west, the exact same thing happens here about western education. A lot of people here think the rote memorization system sucks and want to change the schools to be much more like American ones. icantfindaname posted:Oh okay, so you're not teaching at a normal Chinese high school. What proportion of people with the means to do so send put their kids in high schools like that? I dunno. They're all rich kids and in general Chinese families that have money want to get their kids out of China, but I don't know the stats on it. E: Hey weird double posting, sorry. Internet connection's being funny today.
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Grand Fromage posted:E: Hey weird double posting, sorry. Internet connection's being funny today. Weaponized Cookies  
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Ccs posted:Do the standardized tests also have an equal amount of cheating? Cause the "West" loves to freak out about how much higher Chinese test scores are, especially in math, but if there's such widespread cheating then of course their scores would be higher if everyone is just copying off the few actually smart students. Yes, with some standardized tests in China you can actually get the test beforehand if you pay the right person enough money, or just get all the answers. A few years ago a girl that is now at University of Washington, but really had her sights set on UNC and UCLA, had one last crack at the ACT and was super excited about it. Went all the way to Hong Kong, took the test, and then later the scores were all thrown out from that center because loving New Oriental had a teacher that had gone and gotten the test answers and just given them to a slew of students. Just a friendly reminder that this is literally a culture where people surrounded a school during the Gaokao and yelled "There is no fairness if you don't let us cheat". That wasn't an SNL skit, that is actually what people were yelling and what they believed.
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Grand Fromage posted:They have rampant cheating and also just straight out make poo poo up for the test scores. Stats for Asian test scores are complete bullshit and all those western people who make hay out of it are idiots who don't know anything about how education works here. Every test score from China/Korea/Japan/Taiwan should be treated as utter nonsense. US universities know this now, too, and are starting to assume all scores from Chinese students are fake. Even Japan? That's a bit surprising.
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Huh. This just makes me resent all the standardized tests being pushed in America even more. NJ is getting hammered with them because a lot of the education companies are here, so the students get to experience the ~magic~ of Common Core and PARCC testing before anyone else.
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WarpedNaba posted:So... did her parents call you up and offer you $$$? If you're asking me: Nope, never heard from them. The implication, at least as I understood it from her classmates, is that they were somehow bribing the registrar directly. I was pretty curious though, would have liked to have known what the offer was, and how high I could get it by refusing, and how extravagantly I could have insulted them and their daughter in Chinese by way of closing the conversation. Ah well.
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Just a quick "I love my job" moment because everyone here is making GBS threads all over how much education can suck, but an 11th year girl that is taking an AP Language and Composition seminar that I'm running at work dropped off a seven page synthesis essay on my desk this morning called "Standardized Tests are Failing Us". I haven't read it yet and probably won't get to it until this weekend but it is moments like this that makes me absolutely love what I do.
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I like my job too. My school has a lot less of this poo poo since it's not normal. And it doesn't directly affect me since I get to teach however I want, and all I care about is them learning stuff and getting them into US schools. I don't know anything about the gaokao and don't care.
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Most Chinese students with actual talent end up studying in the West and ultimately not going back to China from what I understand. That or they get crushed by the system.
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oohhboy posted:I have heard rumours of Mainland students at flight school flying off to remote airstrips and running the engine on the ground to spin the clock. They were also responsible for writing off two aircraft in one year. Bounced one at the home airfield and the other flew it into an oxidation pond at the end of a runway because they were using "GPS" wind measurements instead of looking out the window. gently caress those guys. Why would a flight student not want to fly an airplane?
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