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"The Spy Who Loved Me" - Martha Hanson Westerfeld
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Mar 27, 2015 00:58
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savinhill posted:I'm not sure that it's love motivating Martha to act the way she is right now, calculated self-preservation could also easily explain her whole "I just wanna drop it & don't care who you really are" followed by eager volunteering of FBI info Clark hadn't even thought to ask for yet. She's also completely hosed regardless. The FBI isn't just going to say "oh, I guess you were duped, it's okay." Best case scenario is that she loses her job and can never work for the government again, probably after they force her to turn in Clark just to stay out of jail. Worst case scenario is a whole lot worse.
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Mar 27, 2015 01:11
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Paradoxish posted:She's also completely hosed regardless. The FBI isn't just going to say "oh, I guess you were duped, it's okay." Best case scenario is that she loses her job and can never work for the government again, probably after they force her to turn in Clark just to stay out of jail. Worst case scenario is a whole lot worse. It's worse than that. Martha's eventually going to feel like she has 'power' over Clark - the first time she tries to use it, he'll have to kill her, and for all he knows, she's taken steps to expose him if anything happens to her. She was acting like someone who feels they're in control, not the doting wife. She made the decision to give up on the idea of adopting a kid to publicly display her making a decision without running it past him, even if it's something he wanted her to do. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 27, 2015 01:41
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dear the americans writers: please have oleg defect so he and Stan can have a spinoff where they cruise est chicks, fight crime and pound beers
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Mar 27, 2015 01:57
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someone write some stan/oleg fan fiction
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Mar 27, 2015 01:59
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That murder was vicious , surprised to see no comments on it. Get's shot in the eye then strangled to death. Christ. Ugh the old woman scene was brutal. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Mar 27, 2015 |
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Mar 27, 2015 02:01
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I loved the contrast of Elizabeth's one-and-done headshot on the South African girl and Hans' horribly botched assassination attempt.
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Mar 27, 2015 02:52
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Hollismason posted:That murder was vicious , surprised to see no comments on it. Get's shot in the eye then strangled to death. Christ. Yeah I like it when shows portray accurately how hard and gruesome it is to kill people. Not because I'm a sick gently caress, but because violence is so easy and quick on TV typically that it undercuts just how barbaric an act murder is. "it got messy" "Operations often do," said Elizabeth, foreshadowingly.
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Mar 27, 2015 03:12
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It sure was convenient that the bookkeeper was willing to overdose. It would have been suspicious if there had been a struggle, or if she went missing. Why not just pretend to be practising corporate espionage?
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Mar 27, 2015 04:25
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Platystemon posted:It sure was convenient that the bookkeeper was willing to overdose. It would have been suspicious if there had been a struggle, or if she went missing. They weren't in disguise for..reasons. It didn't matter what kind of espionage that the old lady thought they were doing...can't leave a witness around. The whole scene was really contrived, but it was so well-done that it isn't worth complaining about.
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Mar 27, 2015 04:38
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beanieson posted:Yea I was (only) half joking. It's also just as likely that she's just gone completely nuts. Phillip's new ploy is to convince Martha that he is a figment of her imagination, he will enlist the entire illegal army to stage giant flash mobs where they all pretend not to see him.
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Mar 27, 2015 04:38
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Platystemon posted:It sure was convenient that the bookkeeper was willing to overdose. It would have been suspicious if there had been a struggle, or if she went missing. I think a line from Elizabeth about how the alternative would be much more painful might have sold the scene better, but that may have been too overt. I'm interested to see what this parade of horrifying poo poo is building to, and whether it will tie in to Elizabeth's willingness to offer up her daughter to the cause.
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Mar 27, 2015 05:47
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ganthony posted:They weren't in disguise for..reasons. It didn't matter what kind of espionage that the old lady thought they were doing...can't leave a witness around. The whole scene was really contrived, but it was so well-done that it isn't worth complaining about. I’m not saying that Elizabeth could have let the lady go at that point, but yeah, why weren’t they wearing disguises? They went into the operation seemingly with no contingency plan.
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Mar 27, 2015 10:17
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JohnSherman posted:I think a line from Elizabeth about how the alternative would be much more painful might have sold the scene better, but that may have been too overt. I think her reasoning for complying was explained *enough*, if not that satisfactorily, when she started succumbing to the medication (I could only assume they were anti-anxiotics or beta blockers since they didn't look like nitro pills) and asks if her husband 'sent' Elizabeth to her, presumably to bring her back to him, even asking if he was with the 'other woman.' I think she'd come to terms with her demise and was tired of waiting, alone, for death. She took the door that was offered to her. But yeah, I agree that they should've reconnoitered the place better, but maybe they *only* had that evening as a window of vulnerability, and Gabriel had told them to bug Mr. Mail T. Robot *that afternoon*.
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Mar 27, 2015 10:36
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Now that I think about it...disguises would not have saved the old lady. Even if she couldn't ID Elizabeth, a reported break in would likely cause some red flags, and get the Mail Robot to get inspected. The bug in Stuttering Bill's office has to have them on high alert.
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Mar 27, 2015 14:36
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Rhys is such a great actor. You could really feel Phil's righteous anger at Gabriel/the Center without him even have to raise his voice during that Scrabble scene. Also, if Stan & Oleg's hotel plan for defector lady is any indication, it's no wonder they couldn't save Nina. The only positive thing it achieved was that it led to them having a beer together.
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Mar 27, 2015 14:58
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I guess I'm a robot because the old woman scenes didn't bother me at all. I was hoping Elizabeth would just kill her already so the boring poo poo would end. 
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Mar 27, 2015 15:20
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I'm generally a fan of "lock a character in a room for an episode" type stuff - Mad Men's the suitcase, Masters of Sex' The Fight, even Breaking Bad's Fly. But I found Elizabeth talking to the old lady to just be a little too contrived. And as much as I'm happy to see Phillip tell Gabriel to go screw, that last scene had absolutely NO buildup in the episode itself.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:29
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Yeah, it was a good scene but an unusual one for an episode to finish on given what we usually get.
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Mar 27, 2015 22:27
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Narcissus1916 posted:And as much as I'm happy to see Phillip tell Gabriel to go screw, that last scene had absolutely NO buildup in the episode itself. Well, a lot of the tension had been building up in previous episodes. And there was that conversation regarding Martha where Philip was clearly concerned she was going to be put at risk changing Mail Robot's tapes, and Gabriel replies with 'you should trust the organization' when that's about the last thing Philip is currently likely to do. It wasn't the usual HOLY SHI ending though.
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Mar 28, 2015 02:33
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While Gabriel was talking, all I could think about was how, no matter how chummy he acts, he’s Philip’s handler, not his friend. So it worked for me when Philip called him out.
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Mar 28, 2015 02:48
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Yeah, it's been clear as the season goes on that he's just as conniving and manipulative as the rest of the people the Centre has given them as handlers. I'd trust him as far as I could throw him.
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Mar 28, 2015 03:20
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The way Gabe said, "We don't want to jeopardize the Martha operation," had me thinking it was a snap decision to keep from pressing Phil's attachment, and that when Martha goes it'll be a surprise .
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Mar 28, 2015 08:21
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Accretionist posted:The way Gabe said, "We don't want to jeopardize the Martha operation," had me thinking it was a snap decision to keep from pressing Phil's attachment, and that when Martha goes it'll be a surprise . Again, my vote is for a 'mugging/robbery gone bad.' And we've already seen that Philip eventually blows up at Gabriel. I don't think Gabriel is getting out of this season alive, and his death will probably undo every bit of progress Phil and Liz have made together. I just hope that they don't make it so Phil kills Gabriel and bolts with the kids, leaving Liz to ~hunt him down~ or some bullshit like that, because the closer they get to 1991, the less material they'll have to work with. They need to give Martha an 'op' codename, though. My vote's on "Penny Dreadful." 
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Mar 28, 2015 10:26
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What is the approximate date the show is up to? November 83?
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Mar 28, 2015 19:34
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Shadow posted:What is the approximate date the show is up to? November 83? I'm just interested what's going to happen when 1986 rolls around. "Mom, can I go see Top Gun?" "No, Henry...I don't want you going to see propa...*war movies*."  "But you made us watch those 'Alexander Nevsky' and 'Battleship Potemkin' movies!""THAT'S DIFFERENT!" BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 05:54
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I just realized Arkady is Eton from season 2 of The Wire.
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Mar 29, 2015 09:07
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comes along bort posted:I just realized Arkady is Eton from season 2 of The Wire. ahaha Mind blown
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Mar 29, 2015 10:55
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That's gotta be tied for harshest, most unflinchingly cold episode of the series so far. Nearly no one outside of serious films has the courage a botched hit portrayed with such horrific veracity. And that was just the warm-up. Narcissus1916 posted:I'm generally a fan of "lock a character in a room for an episode" type stuff - Mad Men's the suitcase, Masters of Sex' The Fight, even Breaking Bad's Fly. TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Mar 29, 2015 |
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Mar 29, 2015 12:08
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Renewed!. FX probably wasn't going to cancel it, but it's nice to know for sure.
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Mar 31, 2015 20:25
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It's spies all the way down. e: Henry, you loving goon. Baronash fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 03:05
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Henry working on his spycraft
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Apr 2, 2015 03:10
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Henry is the son his mother always wanted........since this second-generation program was revealed.
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Apr 2, 2015 03:16
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He is pressing those buttons way too fast for that game.
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Apr 2, 2015 03:24
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Father-son bonding with someone else's kid. Poor Stan.
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Apr 2, 2015 03:27
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Paige getting to the bottom of this
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Apr 2, 2015 03:36
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Oh boy.
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Apr 2, 2015 03:37
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DarklyDreaming posted:Paige getting to the bottom of this Jax Teller better take some notes.
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Apr 2, 2015 03:37
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Holy poo poo they're doing it 
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Apr 2, 2015 03:39
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Oh gently caress it';s happening
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Apr 2, 2015 03:39
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