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Yeah it's not clear, but it must be pretty substantial by now. When they were regrouping they showed a world map with dozens of safe house locations and there have been wide shots of the hanger (which is massive) with quite a few people milling about. They have enough people for Mack to not be suspicious about half a dozen other people working in the bus who were on standby to draw weapons on him. But then the whole base was taken out by what appeared to be a small single file assault team where EJO was the 4th guy in line. It was probably just bad editing though, I assume the gas coming in was some super potent knockout gas or something, but they never showed anyone actually being affected by the gas - Coulson looks up at the gas coming in the room while handcuffing Bobbi, it then cuts to "Real SHEILD" being in control and Bobbi walking about free. Feels like there is a missing intermediate scene that got cut for time or something?
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Apr 1, 2015 20:56
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One of the realSHIELD guys mentioned in passing that the dendro-toxin gas performed admirably or something like that. That's the stuff in the icer guns.
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Apr 1, 2015 21:02
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Mr Beens posted:Yeah it's not clear, but it must be pretty substantial by now. When they were regrouping they showed a world map with dozens of safe house locations and there have been wide shots of the hanger (which is massive) with quite a few people milling about. They have enough people for Mack to not be suspicious about half a dozen other people working in the bus who were on standby to draw weapons on him. I think it was aerosolized icer. It was blue, like the icers, and the murder-happy agent (I think) made a comment about the "dendrotoxin gas" being a good idea after all, which is the same type of toxin icers use.
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PunkBoy posted:This week on Xena & Bobbi 
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Apr 1, 2015 23:08
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quote:Bunch of GotG downer stuff. Maybe you're right... Watches clips of Groot being awesome Nope! OOGA CHAKA OOGA CHAKA!
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Apr 1, 2015 23:10
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I wish someone could find old gifs of Xena fighting. I distinctly remember her using that flip technique after a clothesline in the series NUMEROUS times, so to see it in Agents brought out double the nerd in me, if at all possible.
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Apr 1, 2015 23:20
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Maybe you're right... To be honest, I thought the shot of Groot dancing at the end was gratuitous and I really don't understand the love people have for Groot (or Hodor, or any character whose sole defining trait is saying his name over, and over, and over again). 
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Apr 1, 2015 23:22
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Irish Joe posted:To be honest, I thought the shot of Groot dancing at the end was gratuitous and I really don't understand the love people have for Groot (or Hodor, or any character whose sole defining trait is saying his name over, and over, and over again). What's it like to hate fun?
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Apr 1, 2015 23:31
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Apr 1, 2015 23:35
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Doctor Butts posted:But, regarding Fitz, holy poo poo I hope things get better for him. Seeing how betrayed he was with Ward, and then knowing he's probably feeling the same thing with Mack. I completely forgot about that. Fitz will guilt Mack so hard. He'll try to explain how its different, but Fitz will just guilt the poo poo out of him. It probably won't help that Bobbi saw the team sent for Skye to straight up try to kill her when she was told that the operation was simple retrieval. You know that she'll be questioning Gonzales about that, and rethinking her loyalties; Coulson never went in for the kill (save against a bunch of Hydra bigwigs, but they're nazis, so who cares?) as a first choice, but Real SHIELD has no issue with it. There will be a scene next week where someone questions Gonzales what makes them different than Hydra, and He'll respond with some flippant comment like "Because we're the good guys". I bet what was on the Iliad was the Chitauri AI that Ultron was based off of.
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Deakul posted:Will agree that the antagonist was poo poo and that they could've done so much more since he's basically an anti-hero in the comics, otherwise no you're wrong. I was starting to think I was the only one who thought that. The thing that really got me having watched Farscape after Guardians was how Guardians handled all it's outside the ship stuff with a very light touch, including people riding on the tops of spaceships not wearing a shirt. Farscape had a similar aesthetic - where Humans need to breathe but nobody seems to freeze out there - and it really felt to me (again, having seen FarScape after) like that's where the inspiration came from. Not that I'm complaining, it just felt jarring compared to the other Marvel movies; I kind of expected space to work like space with their grounding. Still I definitely got the FarScape vibe more than a few times, and wasn't sure if it was all the movie or if the new comic series also was inspired by it. Irish Joe posted:To be honest, I thought the shot of Groot dancing at the end was gratuitous and I really don't understand the love people have for Groot (or Hodor, or any character whose sole defining trait is saying his name over, and over, and over again). Both Hodor and Groot make up for it by being very expressive in other ways. It's why they work.
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Doctor Butts posted:I totally agree with this. It was a fun movie to watch and I enjoyed it, but there's really nothing about it that makes it head and shoulders above everything else. I think more people will share that opinion as time goes on. One of the best little things in this episode is that they were calling each other by their first name when they were pissed off. They never do that, otherwise.
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Something I forgot to mention last night, and that I see nobody's mentioned yet, but wasn't it odd that Real S.H.I.E.L.D. said they used that... drat, I forget the name of it, but it's that stuff HYDRA used at that wedding, and that they weaponized... And an interesting thought I had last night... What if Fury knew about HYDRA being inside S.H.I.E.L.D., and Poject Insight was just bait to force them to show their hands? Like, what if, on the off chance HYDRA managed to get Project Insight up and running, instead of doing what Fury said it would do, it just popped up a video of Fury saying, "Ya'll some dumb motherfuckers!"? Or even better, it targeted HYDRA agents? I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Project Insight was just a ruse. It seems like the kind of thing Fury would do... Also, I expect sometime in the next 2 weeks, we'll get another cameo from Samuel L. Jackson, just before AOU. I also expect that The Avengers will find out that Coulson's alive in AOU, and that, in addition to pissing them off, it's gonna really piss off Tony, helping to solidify his part in Civil War.
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Kheldarn posted:Something I forgot to mention last night, and that I see nobody's mentioned yet, but wasn't it odd that Real S.H.I.E.L.D. said they used that... drat, I forget the name of it, but it's that stuff HYDRA used at that wedding, and that they weaponized... Different stuff. The HYDRA stuff at the wedding was stuff they scraped from the Diviner/terrigen mist crystal holder thing. The gas in this episode was Dendrotoxin gas, so the same thing as Icers. And there's zero reason to suspect Project Insight was just some ruse by Fury to bait Hydra, and it would sort of undermine the entire point of Winter Soldier. The entire point is about the old 'absolute security is the gateway to fascism.' Ambivalent fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 1, 2015 |
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twistedmentat posted:I completely forgot about that. Fitz will guilt Mack so hard. He'll try to explain how its different, but Fitz will just guilt the poo poo out of him. It probably won't help that Bobbi saw the team sent for Skye to straight up try to kill her when she was told that the operation was simple retrieval. You know that she'll be questioning Gonzales about that, and rethinking her loyalties; Coulson never went in for the kill (save against a bunch of Hydra bigwigs, but they're nazis, so who cares?) as a first choice, but Real SHIELD has no issue with it. This episode was a good reminder that until the Avengers proved themselves, SHIELD kinda hated them, too. (also probably after they proved themselves) Skye's just getting the typical treatment, really. We can't forget that the plot of the Avengers movie was that the SHIELD execs decided Fury's "Avengers Initiative" was loving crazy and had torpedoed it in favor of, uh, I guess more SHIELD or something, and I'm pretty sure that until Fury secretly revived it that it had been totally scuttled. These fuckers think they're new, they're not the old bad SHIELD, but they totally are. They are the rotten old, entrenched, bitter, power-hungry, untrusting, change-hating executives that we were lucky to leave behind. Maybe EJO was halfway decent at some point, but like others have said, he is now utterly controlled by fear to the point he can't see two feet in front of him. Too much PTSD for him.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Both Hodor and Groot make up for it by being very expressive in other ways. It's why they work. Hodor also has a giant cock
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Kheldarn posted:Something I forgot to mention last night, and that I see nobody's mentioned yet, but wasn't it odd that Real S.H.I.E.L.D. said they used that... drat, I forget the name of it, but it's that stuff HYDRA used at that wedding, and that they weaponized... That would basically undercut the entire last half of Cap 2. And the stuff that Real SHIELD used was the chemical Icers are made out of.
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Blazing Ownager posted:The thing that really got me having watched Farscape after Guardians was how Guardians handled all it's outside the ship stuff with a very light touch, including people riding on the tops of spaceships not wearing a shirt. Farscape had a similar aesthetic - where Humans need to breathe but nobody seems to freeze out there - and it really felt to me (again, having seen FarScape after) like that's where the inspiration came from. Unless you're incredibly far away from the nearest star (unlikely, since most space poo poo happens near habitable planets), you're more likely do die from overheating than freezing. The number 1 design issue in spacecraft today is how to radiate heat quickly enough to compensate for solar heating. In earth orbit you gain heat 18 times faster than you can radiate it, so design and orbital mechanics becomes a practice of presenting the smallest area possible to the sun while having as much surface area as possible not exposed to the giant flaming heat ball. Of course you'll die of a severe case of the bends before either without a pressure suit.
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Mistikman posted:While Thor 2 and GotG might not be very important to the narrative for Ultron or Civil War, they are both important for the third round of Avengers, since that will deal with infinity stones, which are present in Captain America, Avengers, Thor 2, and GotG We know Tony is going to laugh himself into hypoxia when he hears "My name is Star Lord", the raccoon is going to give him an aneurysm.
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TEAH SYAG posted:We know Tony is going to laugh himself into hypoxia when he hears "My name is Star Lord", the raccoon is going to give him an aneurysm. I'm eagerly awaiting the moment that Rocket tries to use Bucky's arm in a plan 
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Poor Fitz. First Ward and now Mack - why does everyone he opens up to turn out to be a traitor? Fitz is getting set up with some serious supervillain motives.
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Polaron posted:I'm eagerly awaiting the moment that Rocket tries to use Bucky's arm in a plan 
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Apr 2, 2015 03:04
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I'd just like to show you sassy pose Fitz
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Windows 98 posted:I'd just like to show you sassy pose Fitz Oh yeah, work it baby, the camera loves you!
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Poor Fitz. First Ward and now Mack - why does everyone he opens up to turn out to be a traitor? Fitz is a total bro, though. Like how he wanted to help Skye and stood up for her against everyone else. He's pretty much up there with Coulson and May and I'd call him the heart of the team. Coulson is the soul, May is the protector, and Skye represents the hope of SHIELD being better.
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So basically, realSHIELD are just some battle-crazed zealots who took over a battleship and now have their britches all up in their rear end because Fury picked Coulson instead. I hate these guys already and if watching them almost gun Skye down didn't turn Bobbi back, nothing will. Also can I say how much glee I experienced watching Skye use her powers to alter the water flow? It was one of the few moments in the Marvel universe where you get to see someone alone going, "Holy poo poo I have powers. I have powers and I am using them and they are loving awesome." It was really sweet for some reason. 
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I think Fury's way is the best way to go about it, it just needs less oversight and crazy infiltrations. I feel like Hydra in Shield could have happened with basically anyone in charge, they were sneaky as hell about it. Even project Insight could have been real handy, just those crazy helicarriers could have basically wiped out the Chitari on their own, or at least greatly slowed them down. Maybe scale it down so it's less "monitoring the world for terrorists and blowing them up anywhere on the planet" and more "just having lots of guns." Basically, Fury let some bad poo poo go down, but now I feel like he knows what's up and he could do a good job rebuilding Shield if anyone was crazy enough to give him the chance. It'll be fun to see what his role is in Age of Ultron, maybe just supplying and transporting the Avengers and throwing them hideouts when they need them? Also, Real Shield is a nice tie-in to civil war since they're basically at the civil war philosophy already, but I do wonder how this will all link in to Ultron with only four episodes to go. My guess is that the aircraft carrier has a LOT of Vibranium in it, and Stark will either get his hands on it to make Ultron robots or Ultron will raid it to get more vibranium. It seems like a key part of AoU will be "These robots are all over the world keeping the peace and they rock!" since there's always a time where the evil AI is working as planned, and we haven't heard anything about that yet...
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Chokes McGee posted:Also can I say how much glee I experienced watching Skye use her powers to alter the water flow? It was one of the few moments in the Marvel universe where you get to see someone alone going, "Holy poo poo I have powers. I have powers and I am using them and they are loving awesome." It was really sweet for some reason. Good news, you can have these powers too! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uENITui5_jU NowonSA posted:I feel like Hydra in Shield could have happened with basically anyone in charge, they were sneaky as hell about it. Yeah, I feel like blaming Hydra on Fury sort of ignores the incredibly ridiculous plot-level absurd 'espionage' it takes to have hundreds if not thousands of Nazi Death Cultists working in positions that require deep background checks and such for decades. You can only get so much mileage out of 'well Alexander Pierce or John Garrett just rubber-stamped all their buddies' before the practicality of having legions of Hidden Nazis becomes less believable than 'tiny bighead baby steve rogers got injected with science and lived in an iceberg' Ambivalent fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Unfortunately this doesn't really work. You can't actually build a fountain like that, since you only get that effect if you record it with a 24 FPS camera. To the bare eye this looks just like a regular guh of water.
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Ambivalent posted:Yeah, I feel like blaming Hydra on Fury sort of ignores the incredibly ridiculous plot-level absurd 'espionage' it takes to have hundreds if not thousands of Nazi Death Cultists working in positions that require deep background checks and such for decades. You can only get so much mileage out of 'well Alexander Pierce or John Garrett just rubber-stamped all their buddies' before the practicality of having legions of Hidden Nazis becomes less believable than 'tiny bighead baby steve rogers got injected with science and lived in an iceberg' Considering the ages lots of agents were born into Hydra deepcover and probably would have passed any background check they were subjected to and Peirce wouldn't need to rubber stamp everyone else, just everyone that was on the vetting committee.
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SirDan3k posted:Considering the ages lots of agents were born into Hydra deepcover and probably would have passed any background check they were subjected to and Peirce wouldn't need to rubber stamp everyone else, just everyone that was on the vetting committee. I have a theory that scumbag guy - who plays a scumbag in everything (and tried to shoot Sky this last week) - will turn out to be HYDRA and skipped being vetted just out of virtue of being onboard the carrier when the winds changed. He was the only member of the new inner circle that wasn't in any of the flashbacks, too. Tuxedo Jack posted:Poor Fitz. First Ward and now Mack - why does everyone he opens up to turn out to be a traitor? I give them major props for having him give a look of terror when his latest friend turned out to be a traitor; even though Mack ultimately saved him, you could tell he was having major PTSD from the Ward situation. They were able to say all of that without even referencing it once in the dialogue. Really solid. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 09:42
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Joe Toy/Charlie Francis/Ramse is not a scumbag I will fight you
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Windows 98 posted:I'd just like to show you sassy pose Fitz He does sassy pose all the time! I remember seeing it in season 1 and wondering what he was doing.
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He really does do it a lot and I laugh every time. It's just such a goofy, unnatural looking pose, and his mom sweater just adds to it.
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Fitz being sassy during the HYDRA takeover:
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Finally some payoff for the Bobbi & Mack stuff but I agree, ReelSheeld come off as having been thoroughly traumatized and turned draconian as a result. Instead of a World Council they now have a Shield Council but it's made up of reactionary fraidycats. When Admiral Adama was going on about how Coulson was unstable and a creation of Fury, Coulson should have just responded with "and how many international crises have you averted in the past year?". Loved Bobbis line to Xena, seems like something Adrianne would actually say to Lucy :aw: VDay posted:He really does do it a lot and I laugh every time. It's just such a goofy, unnatural looking pose, and his mom sweater just adds to it. That's a cardigan and it's totally nerd chic to wear them, don't you read YLLS!? Regardless, Fitz is the best.
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