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It sounds like Iran agreed to phased sanction relief. That's a pretty big concession on their part isn't it?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:So is there an actual chance that the GOP fucks this deal up? I don't know, but Obama's speech did have a section about Congress where he said "if Congress kills this deal." It's already dead, isn't it 
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PostNouveau posted:I don't know, but Obama's speech did have a section about Congress where he said "if Congress kills this deal." The agreement is between a bunch of countries and Iran. Obama could have done something clever here that doesn't commit the US to do anything that requires congressional approval.
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PostNouveau posted:I don't know, but Obama's speech did have a section about Congress where he said "if Congress kills this deal." No the Iranians probably just used the fact that the US congress is insane and unreliable to extract better concessions from the Europeans.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Their backers stand to make fat right. I forgot about the money
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DemeaninDemon posted:Their backers stand to make fat They never actually learned anything from Iraq (or Vietnam, or Afghanistan). It's not just about their backers, they are actually stupid enough to believe that somehow attacking Iran will end better than Iraq (and Iraq was somehow Obama's fault). Iran being 3x the size with >3x the population and mountainous terrain of course means nothing. As does the reality that we can't bomb their nuclear program away. They really are that deluded.
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Pervis posted:As does the reality that we can't bomb their nuclear program away. By turning the entire country into glass, and starting WWIII, and most likely destroying life as we know it on this planet. But we can! 
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Pervis posted:They never actually learned anything from Iraq (or Vietnam, or Afghanistan). It's not just about their backers, they are actually stupid enough to believe that somehow attacking Iran will end better than Iraq (and Iraq was somehow Obama's fault). Iran being 3x the size with >3x the population and mountainous terrain of course means nothing. As does the reality that we can't bomb their nuclear program away. Why the gently caress would they? We've literally called up the last country we were at war with, told them exactly what we were going to do and how to do it and then because of how much we spend on our military we won without even really trying. We basically took the main highway to Baghdad with huge neon signs on our tanks saying "come stop up fuckers" and won handily. And I'm not saying this like I have a war boner or anything either... It's terrifying that the US military could basically curb stomp any other nation on earth even if it was being lead by George loving McClellan.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Why the gently caress would they? Yeah, there's a difference between theatre victories and winning in a national strategy sense.
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the US military is good at blowing poo poo up and that's all anyone cares about...sure other metrics are important to normal people, but not anyone that matters
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WATCH [JEB] BUSH START A loving WAR
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Are members of Congress allowed to introduce legislation that would declare war on a country that the Executive Branch is presently engaged in diplomatic talks with?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, there's a difference between theatre victories and winning in a national strategy sense. Not when their end goal is to sell more weapons to the US. Zeitgueist posted:the US military is good at blowing poo poo up and that's all anyone cares about...sure other metrics are important to normal people, but not anyone that matters Basically this. Who cares about the aftermath when the bombing campaign gets such high ratings?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Why the gently caress would they? Then crippled by guerilla tactics while shoveling billions to private contractors. 
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Are members of Congress allowed to introduce legislation that would declare war on a country that the Executive Branch is presently engaged in diplomatic talks with? They can declare war on whoever they want
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Are members of Congress allowed to introduce legislation that would declare war on a country that the Executive Branch is presently engaged in diplomatic talks with? Sure. Congressmen can introduce whatever bill want and say whatever they want in congress, speech and debate clause. Besides, you know you can be in diplomatic talks with countries that you have declared war on, right?
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Dayvan Cowboy posted:Why not blow up some Podunk pizza restaurant's yelp page and send anonymous threatening messages and phone calls to its owners? Who knew hatred is so profitable? Maybe that pizza chick can get some dental work done.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Then crippled by guerilla tactics while shoveling billions to private contractors. I believe they call this a feature and not a bug.
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hobbesmaster posted:Sure. Congressmen can introduce whatever bill want and say whatever they want in congress, speech and debate clause.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Are members of Congress allowed to introduce legislation that would declare war on a country that the Executive Branch is presently engaged in diplomatic talks with? Sure. Too bad the president is the commander in chief and can simply not deploy troops.
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Dayvan Cowboy posted:Why not blow up some Podunk pizza restaurant's yelp page and send anonymous threatening messages and phone calls to its owners? Who would've guessed people on the Internet would do something like that???
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Raerlynn posted:Sure. Too bad the president is the commander in chief and can simply not deploy troops. Couldn't he also veto the bill or is an authorization different from a law somehow?
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Relentlessboredomm posted:No the Iranians probably just used the fact that the US congress is insane and unreliable to extract better concessions from the Europeans. That's exactly what they did, reports were they used it to apply pressure to France to get them to ease up
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Fried Chicken posted:That's exactly what they did, reports were they used it to apply pressure to France to get them to ease up Our politicians are finally more racist and paranoid than French politicians! USA! USA! USA!
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, there's a difference between theatre victories and winning in a national strategy sense. The problem with saying we lost in failing to achieve our strategic goals is that there weren't any real strategic goals in attacking Iraq. Like even the nominal ones of "hinder access to resources by extremist groups" were undone by the fact we want to war, not by anything done to us. It was pretty much just "gently caress it, let's fight", not "war is the continuation of politics by other means". I mean I honestly cannot come up with a national goal that wasn't lost as soon as we decided to go in, versus one lost by what those we were working against did. If anyone can think of one I'd be interested in hearing their case. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Radbot posted:Who would've guessed people on the Internet would do something like that??? It's organized by Glenn Beck's crew at TheBlaze
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Now that's the scam to get in on. Next time there is a national "outrage" just be the one who sets up the gofundme page and skim off the top as administration fees
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Dr. Tough posted:Whites will always be a majority of the US population. The day that "white" as it's defined now dips to 49.9% is the day that "hispanic" disappears as a racial category. I will throw a "congrats on your promotion" party for some friends when that shoe drops
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Fried Chicken posted:It's organized by Glenn Beck's crew at TheBlaze poo poo, I was hoping it was a scam. Like an outright take-the-money-and-run thing.
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Fried Chicken posted:The problem with saying we lost in failing to achieve our strategic goals is that there weren't any real strategic goals in attacking Iraq. Like even the nominal ones of "hinder access to resources by extremist groups" were undone by the fact we want to war, not by anything done to us. It was pretty much just "gently caress it, let's fight", not "war is the continuation of politics by other means". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHol7WW2A8g
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SaltLick posted:Now that's the scam to get in on. Next time there is a national "outrage" just be the one who sets up the gofundme page and skim off the top as administration fees Or be the person getting ostracized and take the whole shebang.
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Mauser posted:Couldn't he also veto the bill or is an authorization different from a law somehow? The Constitution says that "every Order, Resolution, or Vote" that passes through both chambers must be approved by the President, so yes he could just veto it.
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SaltLick posted:Now that's the scam to get in on. Next time there is a national "outrage" just be the one who sets up the gofundme page and skim off the top as administration fees Its pretty much a huge industry on the right. You'll fundraise for a "cause" using scaremails and then end up charging 50%+ in fees etc. The "cause" still gets a donation they never would have otherwise and you get a gently caress ton of money.
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Munkeymon posted:poo poo, I was hoping it was a scam. Like an outright take-the-money-and-run thing. Who said it wasn't?
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So this guy seems to think Kansas' trickle-down policies have been an indisputable success: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/033115-745978-kansas-job-creating-machine-shows-that-tax-cuts-work.htm Worth mentioning is what was not mentioned: any talk about the magic of tax cuts increasing revenues.
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Mr Interweb posted:So this guy seems to think Kansas' trickle-down policies have been an indisputable success: Isn't this the rag that Ramirez does cartoons for, or was that Branco?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Isn't this the rag that Ramirez does cartoons for? Yup.
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Mr Interweb posted:So this guy seems to think Kansas' trickle-down policies have been an indisputable success: So in other words, deficit spending can lead to economic growth? Nice to see that conservatives are finally getting on board with what liberals have been saying for decades.  A Winner is Jew posted:Isn't this the rag that Ramirez does cartoons for, or was that Branco? Ramirez, yes.
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Sir Tonk posted:Who said it wasn't? If The Blaze is behind it I'm assuming they're not going to totally screw the pizza bigots.
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