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rabidsquid posted:Any number is too many because the best case scenario it's a kind of bad Pacifism and worst case scenario you get infinity for one'd when they remove your Master of Waves in response. This is the philosophy I live by. Also I'm relying on 4 Stratus Dancer to hopefully add resiliency to my Master of Waves.
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qbert posted:Something's wrong with me. I'm actually sitting here eagerly hoping my Shorecrasher Elementals arrive in the mail in time for me to play Mono-U at tomorrow's FNM.
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Apr 3, 2015 02:29
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Yawgmoth posted:That sounds awesome but realistically if you're attacking with MoW then you have already won. I don't think you can ever have enough 1/0's in play.
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Apr 3, 2015 03:05
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mcmagic posted:I've acquired a cadre of assholes who follow me around and shitpost after pretty much everything I say no matter what it is regardless of the topic. You do when it's combined with the greatest thief in the multiverse.
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Apr 3, 2015 03:54
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qbert posted:Something's wrong with me. I'm actually sitting here eagerly hoping my Shorecrasher Elementals arrive in the mail in time for me to play Mono-U at tomorrow's FNM. Mirror Mockery is too cute in any deck, even EDH.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:15
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Partial Octopus posted:You do when it's combined with the greatest thief in the multiverse. What decks play Drink Faygo? I thought he was really more of a legacy guy to steal moxes.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:29
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Sigma-X posted:What decks play Drink Faygo? I thought he was really more of a legacy guy to steal moxes. That's Vintage you're thinking of, and Eternal Weekend was legacy. Dack really is absurdly good in the right deck. In this case, that deck was Grixis Tezzerator.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:33
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Even on a Master of Waves, Mirror Mockery just doesn't do enough in games you weren't already winning anyway. When you attack with a Master of Waves and a bunch of elementals, you get another master which gives all your elementals +1/+1... but then the Master with Mirror Mockery on it gets blocked and dies and if that attack wasn't lethal you end the turn with no masters and no elementals, Unless your opponent had zero non-red creatures with power greater than zero.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:35
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Entropic posted:Even on a Master of Waves, Mirror Mockery just doesn't do enough in games you weren't already winning anyway. When you attack with a Master of Waves and a bunch of elementals, you get another master which gives all your elementals +1/+1... but then the Master with Mirror Mockery on it gets blocked and dies and if that attack wasn't lethal you end the turn with no masters and no elementals, Unless your opponent had zero non-red creatures with power greater than zero. Yeah it's too cute. I was thinking Thassa and Bident could clear the way for a MoW attack, but that's just too much setup for the jankiest of jank plays. I'm just going to replace them with Singing Bell Strike and call it a day.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:39
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There's only really one good place for Mirror Mockery, and that's a draft deck with a bunch of exploit creatures.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:41
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Toshimo posted:Yo, bro. Let's talk about Robots. Cranially plated Robots. RIP artifact lands. Is Phyrexian Metamorph an honorary robot
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suicidesteve posted:That's Vintage you're thinking of, and Eternal Weekend was legacy. Dack really is absurdly good in the right deck. In this case, that deck was Grixis Tezzerator. Isn't that deck like, Tier 2 at best? Because if I had something to play Faygo in, I would.
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suicidesteve posted:That's Vintage you're thinking of, and Eternal Weekend was legacy. Dack really is absurdly good in the right deck. In this case, that deck was Grixis Tezzerator. Yeah I meant Vintage, which is why I was confused he was played in a legacy event.
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Count Bleck posted:Isn't that deck like, Tier 2 at best? Probably more because not a lot of people play it than because it's not good. It's got a lot of game against a lot of popular decks. It's really bad against BGx and Young Pyromancer though.
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Sigma-X posted:Yeah I meant Vintage, which is why I was confused he was played in a legacy event. Dack + Chains is a hymnn every turn.
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What would it take for Monastery Mentor to be significantly playable in Modern? The card is seeing some play in an Esper deck with 4x Thought Scour and 4x Serum Visions but I'm not actually sure how effective that deck really is.
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Apr 3, 2015 04:57
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TheKingofSprings posted:What would it take for Monastery Mentor to be significantly playable in Modern? The card is seeing some play in an Esper deck with 4x Thought Scour and 4x Serum Visions but I'm not actually sure how effective that deck really is. Cantrips that aren't hot garbage
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Apr 3, 2015 04:58
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Partial Octopus posted:Dack + Chains is a hymnn every turn. All for the low price of 5 mana and 2 cards! I'm aware as to what the interaction does, I just haven't seen any decks that run Dack.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Cantrips that aren't hot garbage Make it so E: Sigma-X posted:All for the low price of 5 mana and 2 cards! One card being hilariously good against Brainstorm decks and the other being great for utility and the odd Shardless Agent jacking
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Apr 3, 2015 04:59
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TheKingofSprings posted:Make it so yeah again the answer I was looking for was not "what do these cards do" but rather "what deck are they played in" and the answer is apparently grixis tezzerator.
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Apr 3, 2015 05:04
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TheKingofSprings posted:What would it take for Monastery Mentor to be significantly playable in Modern? The card is seeing some play in an Esper deck with 4x Thought Scour and 4x Serum Visions but I'm not actually sure how effective that deck really is. The only scenario I can see Mentor being playable is one where for some reason the big removal spell of choice is Pyroclasm and it stops you from playing the significantly better with cantrips Young Pyromancer oh and also people don't play creatures too
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Apr 3, 2015 05:07
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rabidsquid posted:The only scenario I can see Mentor being playable is one where for some reason the big removal spell of choice is Pyroclasm and it stops you from playing the significantly better with cantrips Young Pyromancer The advantage to Mentor over Pyro is that Pyro needs to go unanswered for a couple of turns to swing a game whereas if you untap with Mentor and a hand you can often either win or get so far ahead that you might as well have won immediately (in Modern at least).
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:The advantage to Mentor over Pyro is that Pyro needs to go unanswered for a couple of turns to swing a game whereas if you untap with Mentor and a hand you can often either win or get so far ahead that you might as well have won immediately (in Modern at least). Yeah, if something like Dig Through Time were legal I'm not sure it would even be close. Pyromancer comes out earlier and leaves a mana open but a mentor with 2-3 spells behind it is really tough to beat even in modern
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Also one of the things that makes Mentor good in Vintage is that it triggers on artifacts, such as Moxes. There are not a lot of cheap artifacts and/or draw spells in Modern. Now I kind of want to see someone put Mentor in an Affinity deck; play Thoughtcast into Welding Jar, make 2 tokens?  I'm sure that would be terrible, sadly.
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Apr 3, 2015 05:29
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Joe Lossett has apparently added 2 copies of mentor to his miracles sideboard. He just closed out a round in the daily by waiting for his opponent to tap out, and then juggling 2 tops off his deck until the prowess triggers let him do over 20 damage.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Joe Lossett has apparently added 2 copies of mentor to his miracles sideboard. He just closed out a round in the daily by waiting for his opponent to tap out, and then juggling 2 tops off his deck until the prowess triggers let him do over 20 damage. Seems good.
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I am proud my only loss in Modern tonight was to a bazillion-dollar Jund deck. Thank god all the horrible Abzan players are quarantined to the suburbs. e: I was fish player #3 though, so it looks like it's time to switch it up.
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If Merfolk is a decent chunk of your meta the greatest sideboard card for the mirror is Merfolk Assassin.
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BXCX posted:If Merfolk is a decent chunk of your meta the greatest sideboard card for the mirror is Merfolk Assassin. One of the hardest counters to Merfolk tribal is Coat of Arms Changelings
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Guys, guys, modern has the perfect tool to assist master of waves. For ZERO mana you can make your tokens live, even if the master gets removed. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=205031
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Elyv posted:Also one of the things that makes Mentor good in Vintage is that it triggers on artifacts, such as Moxes. There are not a lot of cheap artifacts and/or draw spells in Modern. More than that: boards in Vintage tend to have few or no creatures. Boards in Legacy have more but still tend to be creature-light compared to Modern. Modern is the creature format for good or for ill in most cases, so even if you have 6+ pyromancer tokens the likely result is swinging out, half of them get blocked and killed, then you can't afford to attack again until you've built up your board a little. Mentor on the other hand makes blocking nightmarishly difficult, especially if you're playing the kind of Jeskai control deck that card slots into and you have open mana and a grip of spells.
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Toshimo posted:Uhh... You have turned the meta zero content shitpost into an art form. TheKingofSprings posted:What would it take for Monastery Mentor to be significantly playable in Modern? The card is seeing some play in an Esper deck with 4x Thought Scour and 4x Serum Visions but I'm not actually sure how effective that deck really is. If you're going by the make a lot of tokens strategy Pyromancer is just better since it comes down a turn earlier and Lightning Bolt is still a card. I thought Jeskai control would board a few mentors but that deck is just very poorly positioned and no one seems to play it. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 3, 2015 |
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Apr 3, 2015 14:24
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Please stop quoting Toshimo in this thread
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as the guy who ran the tournament spawned to make fun of mcmagic's opinion on chains the bad posts trying to burn him are just as bad as anything he posts. plz at least be funny tyia as a magician i want to also say the third thunderdome will prob start soon and it will be legacy so GET HYPE
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okay I won't drop out this time
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black potus posted:third thunderdome will prob start soon and it will be legacy so GET HYPE Hoping I get to take part!
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black potus posted:as a magician i want to also say the third thunderdome will prob start soon and it will be legacy so GET HYPE As someone looking into legacy I would like to participate!
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Apparently First Response(well, an old version of First Response) was a Standard powerhouse in FFL
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Elyv posted:Apparently First Response(well, an old version of First Response) was a Standard powerhouse in FFL All this is telling me is that First Response is the reason Siege Rhino exists as it is today. So I'm going to go burn all my copies of it now.
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That was a cool story about nerfing a potentially playable card into oblivion for dumb reasons. "More than just that, we found the gameplay of the card very frustrating when it was good. Each turn, a player would get two tokens per First Response. It was almost impossible to fight through unless you had a ton of creatures with evasion, and control decks had a hard time dealing with the onslaught." If only there was a million cheap ways to hate on enchantments or control decks had ways to clear the board. Do people in FFL not run sideboards?
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