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mabels big day posted:What is everyone's wishlist for buffs on their favorite characters in the upcoming patch? I want bowser's down air to have armor, and fire breath to have less lag. And I want Ike to snap the ledge even when he uses aether facing the other way. Bring back L-cancelling and moonwalking, but only for falcon
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whalestory posted:Bring back L-cancelling and moonwalking, but only for falcon Fair enough.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:30
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I'm not a high level player but i'd like to see Jigglypuff's Sing be more effective. Players can often roll, attack, and move right through it in ways that seem insane and unfair. I've had players roll into me while I'm singing, making physical contact, and then somehow roll back out. Jigglypuff is so lightweight and Sing leaves her vulnerable for soooo long that the risk just seems too high.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:42
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I haven't followed the the smash competitive scene too much since the new one came out due to school and whatnot, but a friend told me the other day that Palutena is banned from competition. Is that true, and if so, how come? I have no plans on competing, but I'm curious.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:45
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shyduck posted:I haven't followed the the smash competitive scene too much since the new one came out due to school and whatnot, but a friend told me the other day that Palutena is banned from competition. Is that true, and if so, how come? I have no plans on competing, but I'm curious. your friend is completely full of poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:46
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Nerf defensive play so Shulk's insanely slow moves are better
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Apr 3, 2015 17:46
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mabels big day posted:your friend is completely full of poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2015 17:47
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I'd like Ganondorf to not have an old man jog. And for Samus's rolls to be better. I could swear Sakurai showed her dodging like Other M and that looked a lot better than her current super slow Morph ball. Marth's sword should be a tad longer (hurr) Robin needs a lot less endlag. I guess that's all I can think of.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:17
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NTT posted:Nerf defensive play so Shulk's insanely slow moves are better
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Apr 3, 2015 18:22
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Fix Meta Knight's sword range. And his flight. And his lovely neutered Shuttle Loop. And his everything Or give him projectile Sword Beams like in the Kirby games/Anime 
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Apr 3, 2015 18:22
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I think you only need two minor changes to totally change Smash 4 and make it a faster, more aggressive game: 1. Increase shielding speed, so your shield appears in fewer frames after pushing the button, but decrease shield size and make it decay faster. You can respond quickly with a shield, but you can't easily sit there. 2. Add a delay of a few more frames between dodges. You can quickly attack or shield after dodging, but you can't repeatedly spot-dodge or move around the entire stage by dodging. There, characters can now apply pressure through non-projectile aggression.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:27
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Give Little Mac his original Up-B and Side-B distances back. He'd still be hilariously easy to kill compared to most of the cast and now that people have actually started learning the game it won't just be Macs in 80% of games like it was in week 1. Also make the version of his f-smash where you hold down to sweep them keep them closer to you and/or do more damage. Turn grounded side-B into a kill move but remove some of the invulnerability on it. Don't give him a kill throw, but turn his throws into something better, like maybe give him Charizard's down throw from P:M, with less fire. Have the Koopa Cart detonate faster when you do a grounded up-B as Bowser Jr. Do something to make the mechakoopa less easy to pick up by opponents, or just something. Reduce the cannonball's recovery so you can put more on the screen faster if you're just pooping out little ones. Tweak f-smash's hitboxes to be less janky - Enemies will both fall out of it randomly before the important hit, or even get hit by the last hit when clearly out of range of it. Make dair either loving obliterate shields, have less recovery if it hits a shield, be jump-cancelable on hit/block, or be a low-percent kill move. For DK, turn the grounded Spinning Kong into a kill move. Increase hitstun on down-b, maybe decrease the range. Significantly decrease neutral-b charge time, or make it reach full damage/knockback in 2/3 the current time but let you keep charging to give it super armor or more knockback. Reduce jab knockback so you can grab people after it. Give his dash attack a fixed, relatively low knockback so you can do aerials after it easily. Make the cargo carry throws not poo poo, I don't really care how and there's plenty of options. Implement a universal, very minor increase to hitstun so people have combo options that aren't just up-tilt or f-tilt chains, and a minor reduction in knockback from moves not designed to kill so people spend more time fighting and less time recovering from obviously non-fatal attacks.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:42
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FactsAreUseless posted:I think you only need two minor changes to totally change Smash 4 and make it a faster, more aggressive game: Those would both be great, maybe also tweak grab speed out of shield since you can easily grab anything that doesn't cross up if you block it (this is bad because it makes universal defensive options really powerful and hurts characters who don't have good cross-up aerials), but I think the huge knockback on random hits is pretty bad too and would need addressed. There's just so much waiting.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:46
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Countblanc posted:Implement a universal, very minor increase to hitstun so people have combo options that aren't just up-tilt or f-tilt chains, and a minor reduction in knockback from moves not designed to kill so people spend more time fighting and less time recovering from obviously non-fatal attacks.
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Wild Knight posted:And for Samus's rolls to be better. I could swear Sakurai showed her dodging like Other M and that looked a lot better than her current super slow Morph ball. I think you're thinking of Project M. They gave her an Other M style dodge and made morph ball into a crawl.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:49
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FactsAreUseless posted:I'm pretty sure this hands the game to Diddy in a hilarious way, doesn't it? His attacks have so little lag he could easily chain insane combos. I guess I was using "universal" as shorthand for "do it to pretty much everything but not literally everything," since yeah the current top characters barring Rosalina are top because they already have either respectable hitstun or are just fast enough to combo anyway. I don't think Sakurai could just slide the giant Acme lever labeled "hitstun" forward and expect the game to work, but I didn't feel like looking at every single character on a roster of almost 50 to see which moves would be most interesting to give increased hitstun and reduced knockback to, because it's probably significnatly more than those it shouldn't.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:50
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DK needs to have better hitboxes for his smash attacks, especially down smash. And to clarify, yes I am a newb who relies on down smashes too much.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:51
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Air dodges should go back to the way they were in melee. You get one air dodge, but it moves you quickly a direction of your choosing. Perfect shielding should be harder, shields should decay slightly faster, and shields should come back slightly slower. I want Rosalina's old forward smash and down tilt back so I don't have to play her lame. I know this will never happen. Undo the nerfs on Greninja. Marth needs his old range back and Lucina should be brought up to match him. Both of them need better throw damage. Little Mac needs a normal jump distance back and his old up B and side B distances back. He would still be rear end in the air but he might have a chance at coming back to a ledge. Pikachu should have his Smash 64 neutral air. Remove Fox, Falco, and Bowser Jr. from the game.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:52
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Oh also add projectile reflect back to perfect shields.
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Apr 3, 2015 18:55
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robin mostly needs a faster run speed and less end lag on her specials. i'd also appreciate it if landing nosferatu in the air didn't put her into special fall. and give her 4 more alt colors. and yeah what countblanc said about less knockback on moves that aren't going to kill. that would be lovely. there was something else i wanted but i forgot what it was.
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-Restore Greninja back to how he was, before the game was released, like he was in Pokemon. -Make Diddy better, specifically his bananas. More bananas (?)? -Change Zelda so she doesn't get knocked out at 14% and change her down B so she can change into Shiek again but make it so when she fights Link the only thing she can do is jump onto high platforms and when Link comes near her she disappears. -Add perks when you scan specific amiibo. When you scan Wii Fit Trainer, have the user fill out a questionnaire that asks how they got it, where they got it, did they have to buy it off a scalper, etc. -Remove MArth, add Roy, then remove Roy and replace him with another slot for Lucina, but she has a mask. -Add in triple jumping ala Mario 64. -Give the game away free to five children. -
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Apr 3, 2015 19:05
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I just want them to nerf the gently caress out of Diddy because he's a stupid character that I dislike. He's a monkey baby with a baseball hat (which says "Nintendo" on it) and a gun that shoots peanuts. I'm okay with one character sitting definitively atop the tier list as long as it's a badass character.
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Apr 3, 2015 19:09
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Phil Spencer (The head of Xbox) thinks Banjo-Kazooie being DLC for Smash Bros would be cool and would have no problem working with Nintendo to make it happen.
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Apr 3, 2015 19:09
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mabels big day posted:What is everyone's wishlist for buffs on their favorite characters in the upcoming patch? I want bowser's down air to have armor, and fire breath to have less lag. And I want Ike to snap the ledge even when he uses aether facing the other way. Restore the double fair for Marth and Lucina, and if they hit a shield with shield breaker they loving break it no questions
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Apr 3, 2015 19:10
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it's sad but i agree with louisgod the most out of everyone so far.
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Apr 3, 2015 19:13
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TheKingofSprings posted:Restore the double fair for Marth and Lucina, and if they hit a shield with shield breaker they loving break it no questions fair + dancing blade is better
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Apr 3, 2015 19:22
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I am also hoping they fix the defensive game, it's such a pain to actually play aggressive in this one. I also hope they give default Skull Bash some adjustments to make it even fractionally as useful as Heavy Skull Bash, which can actually kill.
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Apr 3, 2015 19:22
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TenaciousJ posted:
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zolthorg posted:fair + dancing blade is better sure make this good too then E: not like they're tearing up the tiers right now anyways
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Apr 3, 2015 19:30
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A universal nerf to shields, or maybe even just perfect shields, would be pretty rad and I'm all for something pushing the meta towards offense.TechnoSyndrome posted:Phil Spencer (The head of Xbox) thinks Banjo-Kazooie being DLC for Smash Bros would be cool and would have no problem working with Nintendo to make it happen. This would be really cool
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Apr 3, 2015 19:35
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lets be honest though all they're gonna change is some rear end customs no one uses and call it a balance patch Sakurai plays by his own rules yo
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Apr 3, 2015 19:37
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Wild Knight posted:lets be honest though all they're gonna change is some rear end customs no one uses and call it a balance patch idk I thought there might not even be another balance patch and lo
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Apr 3, 2015 19:38
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DoYouHasaRabbit posted:But why...? I don't really care about Bowser Jr. but why get rid of the Star Fox series completely? Furries. I find all 3 characters annoying and stupid.
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Apr 3, 2015 19:41
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TenaciousJ posted:Furries. Ok I get where you're coming from with the Starfox characters, but Bowser Jr. might be a bit of a stretch for the furry angle.
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Apr 3, 2015 19:58
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TechnoSyndrome posted:Phil Spencer (The head of Xbox) thinks Banjo-Kazooie being DLC for Smash Bros would be cool and would have no problem working with Nintendo to make it happen. I'm afraid that ship may have already sailed!  Nah JK I still want this incredibly badly, bad enough to go vote for it right now
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Apr 3, 2015 20:01
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Bowser Jr along with the Koopa Kids is an absolutely inspired inclusion that was excellently executed and 100% deserves to be in Smash. If you disagree then we're now enemies. I don't main Bowser Jr, I'm not even that good with him, but every now and then while playing when he shows up I just shake my head and think, drat what a sweet character.
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Apr 3, 2015 20:03
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TenaciousJ posted:Furries. goodbye bowser, yoshi, lucario, charizard, greninja, mewtwo, sonic, donkey kong, diddy kong, dedede, Robin, and Ike
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Apr 3, 2015 20:04
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Cicadas! posted:Ok I get where you're coming from with the Starfox characters, but Bowser Jr. might be a bit of a stretch for the furry angle. Bowser Jr. isn't a furry. He's just dumb and annoying.
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Apr 3, 2015 20:10
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TenaciousJ posted:Bowser Jr. isn't a furry. He's just dumb and annoying.
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In the grimdark future, there is only Marth.
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