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Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Haha. I'm gonna have to get my hands on that game.

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M42
Nov 12, 2012


I want a grom so I can feel how normal-sized people do when sitting on a regular motorcycle.

Shelvocke
Aug 6, 2013

Microwave Engraver
Just built a pannier rack and panniers and am thinking about going over to continental Europe for a few weeks over the summer. Any weird laws like France's car-triangle I should know about?

karms
Jan 22, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yam Slacker

Shelvocke posted:

Just built a pannier rack and panniers and am thinking about going over to continental Europe for a few weeks over the summer. Any weird laws like France's car-triangle I should know about?

There's an app called going abroad made by the eu that will tell you all about road safety rules in different countries.

There's a good amount on the internet with information tailored to motorcycles, I'll write down a translation (and filter out unnecessary stuff) of one I've found that seems to have some good stuff:

Belgium
You need to have a reflective vest with you and wear it when you break down. You also need to wear clothing that cover arms and legs, and wear shoes that cover the ankles. No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

Germany
Lane splitting is illegal. No maximum speed on some parts of the highway (autobahn), but those are few and far between in my experience. Cops really love checking traffic on weekends. You are required to have a reflective vest with you.

France
Every driver/rider needs to have a breathalizer on them, but you won't be ticketed if you don't have it on you. You can buy one at a gas station if you are so inclined. A lot of highways have tolls. You are not allowed to turn on the system that alerts you of upcoming speed cameras. Need to have at least 150cm2 of reflective material. No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

Spain
You are recommended to wear a reflective vest for when you break down. No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

GB
Ha.

Austria
Highway use need a vignette (highway pass). There are also tolls. Max speed on the highways are reduced from 130kph to 100kph between midnight and five in the morning. You are required to have an emergency medical kit with you. If you wear glasses, you are required to carry spare glasses or lenses. No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

Switserland
If you wear glasses, you are required to carry spare glasses or lenses, bit it is hardly checked for these days. You are not allowed to turn on the system that alerts you of upcoming speed cameras; you will be fined heavily. Highway use needs a vignette (highway pass). No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

Italy
No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

Scandiwegia
Traffic fines are stupidly expensive. drat socialists and their oil money. No mention of lane splitting, so I'm assuming its not illegal.

Also look at http://www.drivingabroad.co.uk/ and http://www.lazymotorbike.eu/riding/europe/.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

You get a fine for using a device that tells you where the speed cameras are. Orwellian.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
It's not like speed cameras are a huge threat to bikes since if you spot it in time you can just reach your hand back and cover your plate.

hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer

HotCanadianChick posted:

It's not like speed cameras are a huge threat to bikes since if you spot it in time you can just reach your hand back and cover your plate.

I live in a city with 100 speed cameras per square mile. You can easily rack up a ton of tickets if you are just here visiting and aren't familiar with their locations.

From what I've seen, all they do is cause people to slam on their brakes just before passing one. I wish my bike had a tail tidy kit to allow me to mount the plate where it can't be seen :(

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
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hot sauce posted:

I wish my bike had a tail tidy kit to allow me to mount the plate where it can't be seen :(

For only $190: http://www.aerostich.com/a-to-b-utilities/for-the-bike/license-plate-frames/aerostich-lane-share-tool.html

M42
Nov 12, 2012


hot sauce posted:

I live in a city with 100 speed cameras per square mile.

Dude, I may have been owned by one while driving the company van on 295/anacostia (wasn't there in the fall, keep an eye out). I was doing 52 in a 50, and so were the cars around me, and they all got flashed. Reconsidering my plate mount now, gently caress this shithole state(s).

Shelvocke
Aug 6, 2013

Microwave Engraver

Good grief. Thanks! There was a breathaliser on the desk at Halfords when I went to buy paint today and it said you needed one for driving in France from July, which prompted the question.


In other news, I found out that rubbing kitchen foil will strip the rust right off of your chrome. Who knew.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?

HotCanadianChick posted:

It's not like speed cameras are a huge threat to bikes since if you spot it in time you can just reach your hand back and cover your plate.

Can I get a picture of what you look like when you do this?

hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer

M42 posted:

Dude, I may have been owned by one while driving the company van on 295/anacostia (wasn't there in the fall, keep an eye out). I was doing 52 in a 50, and so were the cars around me, and they all got flashed. Reconsidering my plate mount now, gently caress this shithole state(s).

If you were only doing 52, you should be good. I think they trip at 6 over. My lowest one was for going 8 over if memory serves me correctly.


I have looked into those "hideaway" plates but I am not sure what a cop would say if he saw it in action...

karms
Jan 22, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yam Slacker

Slavvy posted:

You get a fine for using a device that tells you where the speed cameras are. Orwellian.

It can't be Orwellian since speed cameras are nothing more than convoluted automobile levies. The rare safety ones have reflective tape all over them in police colors, the levy ones are hidden in wheeley bins and behind small little electrical access cabinets.

"Aarghh you can't pay your tax that nobody is allowed to say it's tax but it's totally tax and every traffic cop has a quota but not officially-officially just you will get all the poo poo jobs if you don't ticket enough people-officially" :argh:

hot sauce
Jan 13, 2005

Grimey Drawer

nsaP posted:

Can I get a picture of what you look like when you do this?

There was a local news story last year that showed a rider in the superman position, covering his plate with both boots as he went through the camera lol

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

KARMA! posted:


France
Every driver/rider needs to have a breathalizer on them,

What the gently caress. I read this and thought you were joking.

RadioPassive
Feb 26, 2012

Yeah, same. Seriously, you just have to carry a goddamn breathalyzer on you?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

KARMA! posted:

It can't be Orwellian since speed cameras are nothing more than convoluted automobile levies. The rare safety ones have reflective tape all over them in police colors, the levy ones are hidden in wheeley bins and behind small little electrical access cabinets.

"Aarghh you can't pay your tax that nobody is allowed to say it's tax but it's totally tax and every traffic cop has a quota but not officially-officially just you will get all the poo poo jobs if you don't ticket enough people-officially" :argh:

Yeah except where I live:

Exceeding the speed limit fixed by not more than 10 km/h. 10
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 10 km/h but not more than 20 km/h 20
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 20 km/h but not more than 30 km/h 35
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 30 km/h but not more than 35 km/h 40
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 35 km/h 50

100 demerit points results in an automatic 3 month license loss. So it's become more than just a revenue gathering exercise and is now yet another way for The Man to keep me down.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011

Slavvy posted:

Yeah except where I live:

Exceeding the speed limit fixed by not more than 10 km/h. 10
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 10 km/h but not more than 20 km/h 20
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 20 km/h but not more than 30 km/h 35
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 30 km/h but not more than 35 km/h 40
Exceeding the speed limit by more than 35 km/h 50

100 demerit points results in an automatic 3 month license loss. So it's become more than just a revenue gathering exercise and is now yet another way for The Man to keep me down.

I'm just grateful that I don't live in Scandinavia. Seriously, their speeding penalties are obscene.

edit: Sweden; Exceeding the speed limit by 1-10km/h is an instant 215 euro fine. That's like 310 NZD.

Odette fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Apr 4, 2015

Backov
Mar 28, 2010

Odette posted:

I'm just grateful that I don't live in Scandinavia. Seriously, their speeding penalties are obscene.

edit: Sweden; Exceeding the speed limit by 1-10km/h is an instant 215 euro fine. That's like 310 NZD.

For many reasons, Sweden is basically hell on earth. This is just another data point.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011

Backov posted:

For many reasons, Sweden is basically hell on earth. This is just another data point.

But the girls, the girls! :fap:

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Odette posted:

I'm just grateful that I don't live in Scandinavia. Seriously, their speeding penalties are obscene.

edit: Sweden; Exceeding the speed limit by 1-10km/h is an instant 215 euro fine. That's like 310 NZD.

I got caught doing 115 in an 80 (pfft officer, I had at least 130!). Three months without my license, €1000 fine.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011

Ola posted:

I got caught doing 115 in an 80 (pfft officer, I had at least 130!). Three months without my license, €1000 fine.

This guy.

This guy has big pockets. Party at Ola's castle. Hopefully ice-skating limbo on the moat before it melts.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Big, empty pockets where my €1000 used to be. I'll be serving tinned herring hors d'oeuvres at the party and whatever else I can find in the forest.

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!
The funniest speed cameras are the average speed cameras. They record your plate at sections on the road and if you pass between the cameras quicker than you should you get a ticket. Only places i know of them are on the A14 around Cambridge (very busy bit of road with lots of accidents), the roadworks on the A1 north or York (massive set of roadworks adding a 3rd lane) and on the Cat and Fiddle road in the Peak District where far too many weekend power rangers run out of talent and often life.


Best thing about them is that they face the front of the vehicle so they can get a picture of who was driving as well as the number plate.

tjones
May 13, 2005
jesus christ all of your governments suck.

tjones fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Apr 4, 2015

Shelvocke
Aug 6, 2013

Microwave Engraver
In the Uk, if you exceed by no more than 10% + 5mph (or similar) you can pay £30 and get 3 points on your license, or about £100 to go to a "Driving awareness course" and you get no points, but you can only do that once a year.
Anything from there up to 25mph over the limit is a standard £30 and 3 points with no option to take a course. If you get 12 points over 3 years, you're toast.
25mph+ over and you lose your license, have to retake the test and I think it's a 2 year ban anyway. The test is no joke here either, and if you are retaking after a ban it's double the duration.


That said, most of the speed cameras here are deactivated because the government said they refused to pay for what they thought should be a self sustaining part of the police service, so most of them are shut off. Police will pull you over for speeding, but if you're polite you can get away scot free. Police are so used to dealing with arseholes they'll generally turn a blind eye if you take the time to dismount and remove your helmet and apologise. Mentioning that you're a nurse helps.

My sister was pulled over doing 85 in a 50, had a malfunctioning tail light and no road tax and so rightly should have been banned with a huge fine, but she was cheerful and talkative and he let her off with some points.

Backov
Mar 28, 2010

Shelvocke posted:

In the Uk, if you exceed by no more than 10% + 5mph (or similar) you can pay £30 and get 3 points on your license, or about £100 to go to a "Driving awareness course" and you get no points, but you can only do that once a year.
Anything from there up to 25mph over the limit is a standard £30 and 3 points with no option to take a course. If you get 12 points over 3 years, you're toast.
25mph+ over and you lose your license, have to retake the test and I think it's a 2 year ban anyway. The test is no joke here either, and if you are retaking after a ban it's double the duration.

Angrily tail gate a motorcycle in the UK, causing an accident? No points. Speeding though, that's serious.

Shelvocke
Aug 6, 2013

Microwave Engraver

Backov posted:

Angrily tail gate a motorcycle in the UK, causing an accident? No points. Speeding though, that's serious.

Sounds like we're missing a story there.

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
💢🧒

Foxtrot_13 posted:

Best thing about them is that they face the front of the vehicle so they can get a picture of who was driving as well as the number plate.

We have one of those on my way home from work and I trip it every time. Good luck getting a plate number off the front of my bike, Rahm!

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free
:911::911::911:

tjones posted:

jesus christ all of your governments suck.

Quoted for pith.

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer

Odette posted:

I'm just grateful that I don't live in Scandinavia. Seriously, their speeding penalties are obscene.

edit: Sweden; Exceeding the speed limit by 1-10km/h is an instant 215 euro fine. That's like 310 NZD.

Funny how this comes up from time to time. Based on everything I hear here, Sweden seems like a loving paradise these days when it comes to traffic laws. No silly points, pretty low fines and higher speed limits (compared to the other scandi countries), radar jammers and camera warning systems are allowed, most traffic cameras are put up in "reasonable" places (outside schools and poo poo like that instead of on empty country roads with 90kmh limits), and JESUS loving CHRIST how about those aussies and canadicks and US states where they have "Squealing Tires Citations", that is just beyond bizarre. Was it Sagebrush that lives somewhere where you could get jailtime and have your car impounded for "illegal street racing" which could mean that you accelerated faster than a turtle alongside another car?

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Don't forget parking the wrong way round.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
So random question that came up in the pub the other night - what would be the symptoms of valves needing adjustment? We guessed that it would depend on which valves and how far out of wack they are, but could be almost anything from loss of power and higher fuel consumption all the way out to plug fouling, cat poisoning, detonation - basically the lupus of engine problems.

(One of my mates just got stung for 400 quid for doing the clearances on his Fazer - yet more proof of the superiority of v-twins - and we were wondering just how bad you could get away with letting them go)

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

goddamnedtwisto posted:

So random question that came up in the pub the other night - what would be the symptoms of valves needing adjustment? We guessed that it would depend on which valves and how far out of wack they are, but could be almost anything from loss of power and higher fuel consumption all the way out to plug fouling, cat poisoning, detonation - basically the lupus of engine problems.

(One of my mates just got stung for 400 quid for doing the clearances on his Fazer - yet more proof of the superiority of v-twins - and we were wondering just how bad you could get away with letting them go)

You get burned valves, leading to no compression, leading to an engine that barely starts and runs.

Also v-twin superiority, my arse. If it's the kind you have to remove the cams for, I4's have half the cams :smugbert:

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

So random question that came up in the pub the other night - what would be the symptoms of valves needing adjustment? We guessed that it would depend on which valves and how far out of wack they are, but could be almost anything from loss of power and higher fuel consumption all the way out to plug fouling, cat poisoning, detonation - basically the lupus of engine problems.

(One of my mates just got stung for 400 quid for doing the clearances on his Fazer - yet more proof of the superiority of v-twins - and we were wondering just how bad you could get away with letting them go)

Hard starting when hot. Otherwise, you're not going to see any symptoms until things are just plum fuckered. As clearances get smaller, the heat expansion eventually causes the valve to hit zero clearance and hang out a bit, meaning you lose compression and the bike becomes hard to start.

Run it like that for too long and the valve burns because a significant part of its cooling is heat transfer to the head when it is closed.

You're not going to see any other real symptoms, maybe a bit of a hunting idle.

M42
Nov 12, 2012


My ninja had extremely tight exhaust valves. It would stall at stops/lights every time unless I held the throttle open. And yeah, hard to start even when warmed up.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
My dad says he'll give me his 1982 GS1100E if I want it and can ship it from him to me. (WI to San Francisco.)

It's in perfect shape, probably 15k miles on it, meticulously maintained.

Should I do it? It'd be my only bike for the next few years as I only have space for one right now.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Yes.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011

Free bike? gently caress yeah.

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cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe
DOIT.

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