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Irony Be My Shield posted:The implementation of free spells was hosed up beyond all belief but I don't think there's anything inherently bad about "a spell that requires you to pay mana upfront but gives you back the mana if it resolves". It should really be more of a way to help aggressive decks roll out more quickly (but at the cost of having weaker cards and risking overextension) than a "draw your whole deck" mechanic though. They could also just do a smaller version. 2UU spell, untaps two or three lands you control or something. Same general concept, just not totally "free".
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I'm loving Tom Ross' Bant Heroic deck from SCG.
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Apr 5, 2015 18:33
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I haven't played Magic too much in the last year, and I haven't followed it at all since right before I quit working at the card shop, so why the hell are Zendikar fetches back down in the 30s? Just decreased demand now that people can play on-color fetches in modern?
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Apr 5, 2015 18:37
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Literally The Worst posted:I haven't played Magic too much in the last year, and I haven't followed it at all since right before I quit working at the card shop, so why the hell are Zendikar fetches back down in the 30s? Just decreased demand now that people can play on-color fetches in modern? That and people are expecting to be reprinted in the upcoming Zendikar 2.0 sets.
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Apr 5, 2015 18:40
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Chill la Chill posted:That and people are expecting to be reprinted in the upcoming Zendikar 2.0 sets. Word. I was looking to build a big dopey EDH combo deck to goldfish now that I'm making a little extra money and besides duals (lol @ u if you don't proxy duals in a dumb casual format) fetches are almost always the most expensive thing. Good to know poo poo's coming down to affordable levels.
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Apr 5, 2015 18:50
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Literally The Worst posted:I haven't played Magic too much in the last year, and I haven't followed it at all since right before I quit working at the card shop, so why the hell are Zendikar fetches back down in the 30s? Just decreased demand now that people can play on-color fetches in modern? I have the two green fetches from KTK (two Windswept Heath, one Wooded Foothills). Do you think that I'd be able to convert them into blue fetches? Really out of touch with MTG pricing/trading stuff. VV: True  I guess it was more of a general question, but yeah, it probably depends a lot on the people you wanna trade with.
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Apr 5, 2015 18:53
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Serperoth posted:I have the two green fetches from KTK (two Windswept Heath, one Wooded Foothills). Do you think that I'd be able to convert them into blue fetches? Really out of touch with MTG pricing/trading stuff. Why would you ask the guy who didn't know why prices were so low and are you looking for ally or enemy colors I mean the short answer is going to be "look at prices and see how close what you have comes to waht you want"
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Apr 5, 2015 19:05
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Literally The Worst posted:Word. I was looking to build a big dopey EDH combo deck to goldfish now that I'm making a little extra money and besides duals (lol @ u if you don't proxy duals in a dumb casual format) fetches are almost always the most expensive thing. Good to know poo poo's coming down to affordable levels. When you actually have the duals you don't have to proxy them 
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Apr 5, 2015 19:41
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The good news is, now that dickeye is back mcmagic won't get all the heat. Or maybe it'll result in more meta posting, who knows.  Serperoth posted:I have the two green fetches from KTK (two Windswept Heath, one Wooded Foothills). Do you think that I'd be able to convert them into blue fetches? Really out of touch with MTG pricing/trading stuff.
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Apr 5, 2015 19:51
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Chill la Chill posted:The good news is, now that dickeye is back mcmagic won't get all the heat. Or maybe it'll result in more meta posting, who knows. "Back"
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Apr 5, 2015 19:57
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Chill la Chill posted:The good news is, now that dickeye is back mcmagic won't get all the heat. Or maybe it'll result in more meta posting, who knows. The difference in price between the cheapest and most expensive KTK fetches is about $5.
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Apr 5, 2015 20:36
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The implementation of free spells was hosed up beyond all belief but I don't think there's anything inherently bad about "a spell that requires you to pay mana upfront but gives you back the mana if it resolves". It should really be more of a way to help aggressive decks roll out more quickly (but at the cost of having weaker cards and risking overextension) than a "draw your whole deck" mechanic though. There were a couple of spells like that in Mirrodin, something like 2G Instant - Destroy target artifact. Add GGG to your mana pool.
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Apr 5, 2015 20:52
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http://sales.starcitygames.com//dec...e=NY&country=US Ctrl+F Aggro
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Apr 5, 2015 21:05
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A new meta is full of aggro decks. Who knew!
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Apr 5, 2015 21:14
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Toshimo invitational token spotted
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Apr 5, 2015 21:17
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TheKingofSprings posted:Toshimo invitational token spotted Bring on the foaming at the mouth about how wrong we are!
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Apr 5, 2015 21:19
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Having your opponent Monstrous a Stormbreath and then swing for a net -20 damage because you paid one green to flip a Mystic 
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Apr 5, 2015 21:24
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I just saw a player cast Abzan Advantage on Tom Ross. Ross sacrifices Ordeal of Thassa, still gets to draw 2 cards, because of the way Ordeals are worded. I never knew it worked like that, awesome. Dromoka's Command makes even more sense in Tom's deck now.
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Apr 5, 2015 21:26
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Have we been told what sets the new Modern Masters will be covering, or any cards that have been confirmed as included?
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Apr 5, 2015 21:37
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Through NPH.
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Apr 5, 2015 21:40
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Alris posted:Have we been told what sets the new Modern Masters will be covering, or any cards that have been confirmed as included? Eighth Edition up through New Phyrexia, we've seen Tarmogoyf, Etched Champion, Emrakul, and Karn Liberated.
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Apr 5, 2015 21:42
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Alris posted:Have we been told what sets the new Modern Masters will be covering, or any cards that have been confirmed as included? 8th Edition through New Phyrexia (so no Innistrad) . They've previewed Karn Liberated, Goyf, Emrakruel and Etched Champion So far Edit: If only I was quicker at posting.
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Apr 5, 2015 21:42
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Alris posted:Have we been told what sets the new Modern Masters will be covering, or any cards that have been confirmed as included? We know Goyf, Karn, and Emrakul are in. Etched Champion is in some promo material so it's probably in too. New Phyrexia is the most recent set. E: Double beaten
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Apr 5, 2015 21:42
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Attorney at Funk posted:Eighth Edition up through New Phyrexia, we've seen Tarmogoyf, Etched Champion, Emrakul, and Karn Liberated. When did they show Goyf and Karn, I missed those being announced
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Apr 5, 2015 22:04
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forbidden lesbian posted:When did they show Goyf and Karn, I missed those being announced PAX East Panel.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:05
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The good: I got to Windstorm 2 Thunderbreak Regents and a Thunderbreak and an Icefall Regent, oh the salt. The bad. I missed top 8 of the IQ on being 1 mana short of flipping an Elvish Mystic with Mastery and gaining 14 life on a mulliganed game 3...
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Apr 5, 2015 22:20
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Count Bleck posted:A new meta is full of aggro decks. Yeah I think 27 of the top 32 having the "aggro" label is a little much even relative to the usual expectations. Nevermind that one of those other 5 was Heroic which is also an aggro deck
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Apr 5, 2015 22:31
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yeah I think 27 of the top 32 having the "aggro" label is a little much even relative to the usual expectations. It's obviously SCG getting back at us for the endless bitching of the majority of the meta previously being midrange. Clearly.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:35
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The definition of "aggro" is being stretched to hell when a deck with the Mystic/Caryatid/Courser ramp strategy is being defined as "aggro" because it wins with swinging creatures. And the "Abzan Aggro" at #2 is a pretty typical Junk deck. Seriously the differences between it and the Jund Midrange is that the Abzan deck doesn't have 7-drops. poo poo man all the Abzan Aggros are just Junk decks.
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CVM's deck is mislabeled. It's playing 7-drops, 0 Heir of the Wilds, 0 Rabblemaster, 0 Surrak, and 0 Rattleclaws while running 4 copies of Caryatid and Courser. That said clearly this shows GR aggro and Abzan aggro are very dominant right now, and the mono R/Rg aggro decks are also a major threat as they are in every format ever. Surrak is better than anyone could have guessed, and Thunderbreak Regent is everywhere as expected.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:39
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Ultima66 posted:CVM's deck is mislabeled. It's playing 7-drops, 0 Heir of the Wilds, 0 Rabblemaster, 0 Surrak, and 0 Rattleclaws while running 4 copies of Caryatid and Courser. Again, turns out that a 4/4 for 4 flier, which is already good enough, having bolt an opponent because you targeted it, is really loving good.
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Apr 5, 2015 22:40
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The definition of "aggro" is being stretched to hell when a deck with the Mystic/Caryatid/Courser ramp strategy is being defined as "aggro" because it wins with swinging creatures. Abzan Aggro specifically plays Fleecemanes and Rakshasas and Anafenzas, the non-aggro Abzan decks run Caryatid/Wayfinder and Courser instead. The reason you would consider it a typical junk deck is because the midrange Abzan deck has basically totally died out.
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Count Bleck posted:Again, turns out that a 4/4 for 4 flier, which is already good enough, having bolt an opponent because you targeted it, is really loving good. Yes, the card is scary as hell but it's a pretty easy deck to fight against if you're ready for it though so I don't really see that GR Aggro deck being a top tier deck for the next few months or so. It's not close in power level to the Jund Monsters decks from last standard.
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mcmagic posted:Yes, the card is scary as hell but it's a pretty easy deck to fight against if you're ready for it though so I don't really see that GR Aggro deck being a top tier deck for the next few months or so. It's not close in power level to the Jund Monsters decks from last standard. Out of curiosity, what would you use to fight it?
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Apr 5, 2015 23:06
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Goddamn, Todd. You were the one hope I had with Jeskai Tokens making it, but you screwed it up! 
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Apr 5, 2015 23:22
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Ramos posted:Out of curiosity, what would you use to fight it? It's not really fast enough to get under MonoR aggro and it's bad vs control decks with a lot of Board Wipes. It's a deck that just destroys midrange matchups. It seems like it's good vs Abzan decks so it could push them out of the meta for the time being.
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mcmagic posted:It's not really fast enough to get under MonoR aggro and it's bad vs control decks with a lot of Board Wipes. It's a deck that just destroys midrange matchups. It seems like it's good vs Abzan decks so it could push them out of the meta for the time being. Mono Red aggro I agree with, but boardwipe control? We don't really have all that many boardwipes and they're relatively subpar to boot or don't do enough damage to kill the dragon. And counterspells are also eh. It seems to really exist to punish grindier decks without flying creatures.
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Ultima66 posted:That said clearly this shows GR aggro and Abzan aggro are very dominant right now, and the mono R/Rg aggro decks are also a major threat as they are in every format ever. Surrak is better than anyone could have guessed, and Thunderbreak Regent is everywhere as expected.
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ZoMBiePiGGy posted:There were a couple of spells like that in Mirrodin, something like 2G Instant - Destroy target artifact. Add GGG to your mana pool. At the same time blue was getting Time Spiral and Frantic Search, Black was getting that version. Guess which one was better. 
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Untapping lands is a hell of a lot more powerful than adding mana straight up. Just consider that Cloud of Faeries is in the same set as Miscalculate.
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