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Seat Safety Switch posted:I'm finding myself (surprisingly) in agreement with PT6A (on one point). We need basically a new Mk2 Escort. like half of america couldnt even fit into one now
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I don't think you understand the words 'sports' or 'car'
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go3 posted:like half of america couldnt even fit into one now How long until we see the first EcoBoost 2.3L swap into the ND Miata?
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PeterWeller posted:Well sure the relatively old, inefficient and impractical NC sold poorly in 2014 when most customers are well aware that a replacement is around the corner. I know you're joking, but seriously the NC gets such lovely milage for what it is. I drive it like a grandma, and I get 27 MPG. I drive it like it needs it's rear end whooped at every opportunity (like it should), and it gets 19 mpg. My old cherokee got that kind of mileage for gently caress's sake. Who cares, this car is fun as poo poo. E: \/\/\/\/ I meant the 19MPG, not the 27, sorry. My driving is almost all city, so I'm just comparing my worst to the cherokee's best. My bad 
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Taco Box posted:I get 27 MPG. I drive it like it needs it's rear end whooped at every opportunity (like it should), and it gets 19 mpg. My old cherokee got that kind of mileage Look, I know we're all friends here, but bullshit.
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PCOS Bill posted:Look, I know we're all friends here, but bullshit. Your mileage may vary because of different conditions / gas / altitude / weather / driving habits / traffic / tires. I never really got better than 25 mpg out of my NB, and my friend who only drives an NA short distances in the city gets about 18mpg. Edit: While we're sharing weird fuel economy anecdotes, I get the exact same fuel economy out of my 2013 V6 Mustang as my wife does from her Focus. I think that says a lot, but I'm not sure exactly what the message is.
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Twerk from Home posted:Your mileage may vary because of different conditions / gas / altitude / weather / driving habits / traffic / tires. I never really got better than 25 mpg out of my NB, and my friend who only drives an NA short distances in the city gets about 18mpg. I'm calling bullshit on a 27MPG Cherokee, and I don't care what anyone says about different conditions.
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Powershift posted:The base model f-150 with the 5.0 is 10.85 lbs/hp, and that's just a boring work truck. multiplied by the price of $27,385, that's 297,207 benchracing points. Lower is better. the sportscar threshold is 300,000. I'd just like to point out that a Nissan MICRA is 211,150 benchracing points.
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250hp at the wheels on a car under 1500kg is plenty for a fun sports car.
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KillHour posted:I'd just like to point out that a Nissan MICRA is 211,150 benchracing points. Yeah, and? 
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I'm finding myself (surprisingly) in agreement with PT6A (on one point). We need basically a new Mk2 Escort. It still kinda exists as the fiesta. But the US doesn't have the two door version because [reasons].
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Powershift posted:The base model f-150 with the 5.0 is 10.85 lbs/hp, and that's just a boring work truck. multiplied by the price of $27,385, that's 297,207 benchracing points. Lower is better. the sportscar threshold is 300,000. I think for a proper sports car comparison handling should be factored in, in the form of lateral grip. Again higher grip should equate to lower points, so we'll divide by the lateral G rating (standardized at 1G to maintain the same threshold of 300k). This gives us numbers of: F150: .75g (I'm seeing numbers ranging from .71 to .76, so i picked a good round number); 396,276 ND: No numbers are available but we can assume it'll be similar to previous models, which are around .90 stock, giving a rating of 417,921 Mustang GT: .96g, 286,567. Still a sports car. Hellcat: .94g, 408,328. Better than a stock miata. Micra: Couldn't find a number  , but assuming it's close to the similar Mirage or Spark, let's say about .73, giving a number of 289,247. Still a sports car (barely) but now worse than the Mustang.All these are using stock numbers of course. For example, swapping the Miata stock rubber for HOOSIERS FOR THE TRACK DAY BRO ups the g force to about 1.2, which lowers its BRN to 313,441; not quite a sports car, but certainly a vast improvement I think you'll all agree. Few more numbers: Enzo: (2,767lb*$659,330)/(850hp*1.01)=2,125,062. Not a sports car. Used S10 Blazer: (3800*1500)/(160*.75)=47,500. We're in hypercar territory now.
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You should run those numbers for a shifter kart.
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The Locator posted:You should run those numbers for a shifter kart. $7500*(175+200)lb (since driver weight is significant in these )/(50hp*2.5g)= 22,500.Seems about right. 
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Introducing the best sports car in the world. http://www.amazon.com/Razor-Ground-Force-Drifter-Kart/dp/B002S143RK
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KillHour posted:Introducing the best sports car in the world. Up to 140lbs, no goon is fitting on that.
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Bovril Delight posted:Up to 140lbs, no goon is fitting on that. They're not getting in a Miata any time soon, either. 
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KillHour posted:They're not getting in a Miata any time soon, either. I fit in a Miata just fine! This looks fun http://www.amazon.com/Kart-ScooterX-Sport-163cc-6-5hp/dp/B005ENFPTE/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1428286873
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Oh and since sportbikechat will inevitably come up (numbers from here): Ducati 1198s: (438+200)*21795/(170*1.26)=63,407 (81,795 without the g weighting, since the number was on a track instead of a skidpad and I don't know if turn 2 at Streets of Willow is banked or not.) Have I taken this too far yet?
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wait what? a more expensive car does better just by cost alone on the bench racing points? I think thats backwards. More expensive should do worse. let me propose a new equation with these new assumptions: benchracing points = (power/weight)*(1/lateral acceleration)*(1/price) edit: rereading, i found out that im a dumbass. lower scores are better edit again: vvv me =  vvv
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Fucknag posted:Oh and since sportbikechat will inevitably come up (numbers from here): Do the new H2R
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SanitysEdge posted:wait what? Lower is better Also the whole thing is a joke please dont actually engage in benchracing
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SanitysEdge posted:wait what? Remember more points = worse. So since weight and cost are bad they go on top, hp and lat are good so they go on bottom. (price*weight)/(g*hp) is the same as power/weight (in lb/hp) * price * 1/lateral g.
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Screw your numbers. I'm just gonna buy a Focus RS and a Ducati Monster and be done with it as soon as I figure out how I'm going to pay for them.
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Fucknag posted:Remember more points = worse. So since weight and cost are bad they go on top, hp and lat are good so they go on bottom. And "used cars" and "civic with mods" poo poo breaks the formula. Multiply motorcycle numbers by the number of times you'll hit gravel on the road and wreck both the bike and yourself, which is usually about 5.
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clearly the best cars are the ones that are free
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SanitysEdge posted:clearly the best cars are the ones that are free There's nothing more expensive than a free car.
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Powershift posted:There's nothing more expensive than a free car. A free boat. Especially a free wood boat.
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Powershift posted:There's nothing more expensive than a free car. A free truck
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The Locator posted:A free boat. Especially a free wood boat. A free wooden boat isn't a gift, it's a penance.
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MrYenko posted:A free wooden boat isn't a gift, it's a penance. A couple of friends at work are building a mahogany speedboat. I didn't want to get in on that.
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fknlo posted:A couple of friends at work are building a mahogany speedboat. I didn't want to get in on that. I have a coworker that is on the board of directors at the local train museum. "Hey, want to come to the museum after work and help us pull the blower on a 1952 EMD E8!?!?" No. No I do not.
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That Honda S660 looks cool as gently caress and it's so goddamn small... 125bhp out of one of those would be a riot considering video of people racing Beats, Cappucinos and AZ-1s look fun as all hell... I suppose it's not really suited to the US market without a stack of power because all your roads are so loving boring to drive hence the whining. 
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MrYenko posted:A free wooden boat isn't a gift, it's a penance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant
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I've recently become obsessed with large RWD sleeper sedans. My friend tuned his G8 to like 700 WHP. It looks mean. I think he can pull something like 10.2 or less on the drag strip. What do you guys think of the upcoming CTS-V. Is it "young" enough that people won't assume you were born in 1918? Think you could embarrass some exotics with it?
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Kraftwerk posted:I've recently become obsessed with large RWD sleeper sedans. My friend tuned his G8 to like 700 WHP. It looks mean. I think he can pull something like 10.2 or less on the drag strip. Every CTS-V is cool and good. They look better than Hellcats. Interior is better, too, plus nice features like magnetic shocks. Every car I've tried with those magnetic shocks has been really good. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Mange Mite posted:Every CTS-V is cool and good. They look better than Hellcats. Interior is better, too, plus nice features like magnetic shocks. Every car I've tried with those magnetic shocks has been really good. What was the first year they gave them magnetic shocks?
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What is Fisker up to? http://www.thenewfisker.com/
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El Scotch posted:What was the first year they gave them magnetic shocks? I think 2009 with the second-gen CTS. Also apparently they discontinued the CTS wagon, which has now made me look at used CTS-V wagons.
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I saw a Fisker Karma for the first time over the weekend. We don't see anything that exotic around here in bumfuck Indiana so it was quite a treat. Also saw a McLaren MP12-4C. First McLaren of any kind I've seen in the wild. Or at all, to my knowledge.
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