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Ramos posted:Remind me what kcw is short for, please. king cobweb
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Ramos posted:Remind me what kcw is short for, please. Krark-Clan Ironworks.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:31
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Ramos posted:Remind me what kcw is short for, please. krark clan ironWorks Because I'm Iron-deficient. (It should be KCI)
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Apr 6, 2015 20:31
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Thanks everyone.  But yeah, it's perfectly understandable why it didn't need the card. It doesn't actually have much use usually outside of being a sac outlet and the deck already has one of those.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:36
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Ramos posted:Remind me what kcw is short for, please. Kind Cheese Wizard
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Apr 6, 2015 20:37
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Ramos posted:Thanks everyone. What? The thoptersword combo reads as: sacrifice an artifact to start this, 1: gain 1 life put a 1/1 thopter token into play and attach sword of the meek to it the point of ironworks is to be able to gain mana in that engine instead of being capped per turn by your mana pool so it generates infinite thopters and infinite mana sac outlets are actually fairly useless since the only thing you want to sacrifice sword to is foundry. You usually never even cast sword since you'd thirst to dump it into your bin and sac another onboard artifact to start it. Zoness fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 20:39
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I don't really think Thopter Combo is all that bannable if Splinter Twin is considered okay (since Splinter Twin is just about as easily disruptable as Thopter Sword, kills you even faster and has 4 different enabling cards). I think what you should really brace for ins't Sword of the Meek being unbanned, its Splinter Twin eventually getting banned. Its happening sooner or later, in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to weaken Twin first by banning Deceiver Exarch though. Then again, Thopter Combo being banned is probably (like Bitterblossom), people with bad memories of old extended decks. I think the dominant Thopter deck was a combination of two different currently banned combos - Dark Depths/Hexmage and Thopter/Sword. Ramos posted:Thanks everyone. Sac outlet? No, it instantly wins you the game if you have it up with the other two. You gain arbitrary amounts of mana, 1/1 fliers and life. But yeah, if Thopter Foundry-Sword of the Meek didn't do anything without KCW, it wouldn't be banned because three-card combos are much easier to disrupt. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 20:39
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guys http://twitter.com/magicprotour/status/585159119385927681/photo/1
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Apr 6, 2015 20:41
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What's up with the black Nicol Bolas?
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Apr 6, 2015 20:43
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I'm saying Ironworks is largely useless because by the time you get the Sword Thopter combo going, you're probably going to be so far ahead in terms of board and life advantage that the only thing that lets the other person feasibly win is if you were crunched in the first place or they go infinite. In both cases, Ironworks probably wasn't going to save you anyway (due to a lack of mana or drawing it at a point in the game where you could have used something else, etc) and does little but serve as a dead card draw a good majority of the time. So yeah, it technically makes it better, but it doesn't necessarily make it more practical, which is the important part.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:45
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Why did they make a hoodie that looks like a pigeon poo poo on your chest?
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Apr 6, 2015 20:45
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thopter depths - a deck with two really strong combos that won w/ jace the mind sculptor's ultimate man I miss 2010 extended. Also thoptersword and hexmage depths were separate decks and then GerryT usually is credited with coming up with / doing well with the first brews with both cards that or he just really liked the list.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:46
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Toshimo posted:Why did they make a hoodie that looks like a pigeon poo poo on your chest? The fact you hate it does a lot to bolster my opinion. I almost want to dash out and get one myself, but that seems a bit to formidable for me to get there since it is in Brussels. Hopefully I'll be able to exploit ebay to get one or two, even if I have to sacrifice some time to do it.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:48
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Zoness posted:thopter depths - a deck with two really strong combos that won w/ jace the mind sculptor's ultimate I never played it but when I saw it it made me laugh. All of the win conditions are banned in modern plus part of the mana base (Chrome Mox). 4 Dark Depths 1 Ghost Quarter 3 Island 4 River of Tears 4 Sunken Ruins 2 Swamp 2 Tolaria West 4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 4 Dark Confidant 4 Vampire Hexmage 4 Chrome Mox 1 Compulsive Research 1 Duress 1 Echoing Truth 1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor 4 Muddle the Mixture 2 Repeal 2 Smother 2 Sword of the Meek 3 Thirst for Knowledge 3 Thopter Foundry 4 Thoughtseize
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Apr 6, 2015 20:49
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Madmarker posted:The fact you hate it does a lot to bolster my opinion. I almost want to dash out and get one myself, but that seems a bit to formidable for me to get there since it is in Brussels. Hopefully I'll be able to exploit ebay to get one or two, even if I have to sacrifice some time to do it. wear it to your wedding
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Apr 6, 2015 20:50
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TheKingofSprings posted:wear it to your wedding Yeah, but I hate dragon the rest of my clan anywhere, let alone to a wedding.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:51
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Angry Grimace posted:I never played it but when I saw it it made me laugh. All of the win conditions are banned in modern plus part of the mana base (Chrome Mox). This is honestly my favorite part of the deck. Also when it ran Beseech the Queen that was pretty sweet.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:52
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Madmarker posted:Yeah, but I hate dragon the rest of my clan anywhere, let alone to a wedding. nevermind please wear it to your funeral
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Apr 6, 2015 20:53
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Madmarker posted:The fact you hate it does a lot to bolster my opinion. I almost want to dash out and get one myself, but that seems a bit to formidable for me to get there since it is in Brussels. Hopefully I'll be able to exploit ebay to get one or two, even if I have to sacrifice some time to do it. You forgot Rebound. 
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Apr 6, 2015 20:53
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Cernunnos posted:You forgot Rebound. Agh, my prowess eludes me yet again.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:54
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I hope that article of clothing outlasts these posts or at least I hope for some ferocious moderation.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:56
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Madmarker posted:Agh, my prowess eludes me yet again. Get band.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:56
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Zoness posted:I hope that article of clothing outlasts these posts or at least I hope for some ferocious moderation. It will, I'll make sure there's never a raid on my wardrobe.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:57
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These puns are ferociously bad.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:01
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You folks are delving pretty deep for these puns!! :iamafag:
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Apr 6, 2015 21:02
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What maindeck modern cards can disrupt a resolved Thopter/Sword other than Abrupt Decay? Twin/Exarch can at least be hit by removal spells.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:02
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Count Bleck posted:These puns are ferociously bad. Do puns manifest themselves in any other way?
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Apr 6, 2015 21:03
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What maindeck modern cards can disrupt a resolved Thopter/Sword other than Abrupt Decay? Twin/Exarch can at least be hit by removal spells. Fewer things, but the payoff is also significantly less than that of Twin.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:04
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What maindeck modern cards can disrupt a resolved Thopter/Sword other than Abrupt Decay? Twin/Exarch can at least be hit by removal spells. Well, Splinter Twin, for starters.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:05
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What maindeck modern cards can disrupt a resolved Thopter/Sword other than Abrupt Decay? Twin/Exarch can at least be hit by removal spells. Also, Scavenging Ooze.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:06
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It's true that it would probably lose to Twin, but I don't think modern has any particular need for a deck that says "play GBx or an infinite combo or lose to me".
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Apr 6, 2015 21:07
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's true that it would probably lose to Twin, but I don't think modern has any particular need for a deck that says "play GBx or an infinite combo or lose to me". Yeah I guess we should probably get rid of Infect
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Apr 6, 2015 21:09
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's true that it would probably lose to Twin, but I don't think modern has any particular need for a deck that says "play GBx or an infinite combo or lose to me". I mean, Tron plays O-Stone, Infect doesn't care about your life total and neither does Bloom Titan with Hive Mind. I've given you 4 different valid things that straight up beat Thopter-Sword in an environment where it doesn't even exist. People might make slight adjustments to beat it, but that would require it to be legal.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:11
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The blue, red or green hoodies might be cool actually, nice.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:11
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Toshimo posted:I mean, Tron plays O-Stone, Infect doesn't care about your life total and neither does Bloom Titan with Hive Mind. I've given you 4 different valid things that straight up beat Thopter-Sword in an environment where it doesn't even exist. People might make slight adjustments to beat it, but that would require it to be legal. Thopter Sword existing would force people to respect graveyards a little more too, which would be an interesting change for the format
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Apr 6, 2015 21:14
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What maindeck modern cards can disrupt a resolved Thopter/Sword other than Abrupt Decay? Twin/Exarch can at least be hit by removal spells. Any instant speed Artifact hate right? Sacrificing the Sword is part of the Thopter activation cost, so destroying the Foundry in response to a single activation stops the combo, right? So basically everything you would side in against Affinity is good?
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Apr 6, 2015 21:26
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qbert posted:Any instant speed Artifact hate right? Sacrificing the Sword is part of the Thopter activation cost, so destroying the Foundry in response to a single activation stops the combo, right? Hurkyl's Recall is also a blowout.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:31
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qbert posted:Any instant speed Artifact hate right? Sacrificing the Sword is part of the Thopter activation cost, so destroying the Foundry in response to a single activation stops the combo, right? If they have another artifact to sacrifice they can continue the combo in response
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Apr 6, 2015 21:35
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Barry Shitpeas posted:If they have another artifact to sacrifice they can continue the combo in response True, but then that would be a 3 card combo, and who gives a poo poo about those. Also the combo isn't infinite, so while they might get an extra 3-4 tokens that turn, the Foundry still ends up dying.
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Count Bleck posted:Hurkyl's Recall is also a blowout. how so? They just replay their poo poo and go again, they already gained a ton of life stony silence and damping matrix are the main hate cards. on top of that leyline/rip are good too.
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