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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I've actually thought about this too, maybe fire elementals are like phoenixes and the way they're reborn is by literally giving birth to a new version of themselves every couple of decades? The new being has the same soul, but no memories of any of their past lives. Well the easiest way to explain that is her mother never told her, so she couldn't tell Annie what she didn't know.
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I think we're putting too much value on that one line. It would be an interesting way for the story to go, but whose parents haven't said 'when you have your own kids you'll X Y Z', 'when you get married' etc? It's just how people talk about common life events.
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Hodgepodge posted:Although I'm partisan, the way he phrased it, "some form of control," indicates that he knows next to nothing about how or why Annie controls Reynard. If he had talked to literally anyone about it, he'd know that he's on dicey ground and risks freeing Reynard.
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Apr 6, 2015 19:14
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I really really don't think the comic will extend to Annie starting a family of her own, especially since she has no candidate for a love interest at this point. Coyote has been incorrect or misinformed before. See also how he thought Eglamore was Annie's father. Or heck he could mean that Annie is effectively immortal otherwise. Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 19:19
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Splicer posted:Reynard is his real name, Reynardine is his nickname. You sure about that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynardine  e. I mean I know Reynard also has a long history but which is ~correct~ isn't really spelled out in the comic is it? Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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The thing is, we don't know what Anthony has been doing these past years. He may have developed some sort of omega weapon that can kill gods or whatever, so he's probably king poo poo of the Court for all we know. It's entirely likely that Anthony is our primary antagonist and we're finally being introduced to him. Frankly, Annie needed a bit of suffering to mature her character. Her growth has been quite fluid, but she hasn't really had a character-defining hardship. Stripping her of everything she's come to embrace as her identity will do this nicely--how she overcomes this will be a major aspect of the next few chapters, I feel. Anthony almost certainly isn't going away, but I strongly doubt Annie will always obey him either. Her overcoming this is literally her biggest personal flaw/struggle and is going to be a major thing for awhile now. EDIT: Alternatively, we'll have a moment after Annie leaves where Anthony hangs his head and says "I'm sorry Surma" and we'll feel bad for him and the chapter will end. BottledBodhisvata fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 19:37
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Bilirubin posted:e. I mean I know Reynard also has a long history but which is ~correct~ isn't really spelled out in the comic is it? http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=790
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maswastaken posted:Renard is his name, Surma gives him the nickname Reynardine, being "the name of a demon who steals the hearts of young girls". OK thanks for the clarification.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Anthony almost certainly isn't going away, I'm not too certain of this. Unless his and Annie's role in the comic gets put in the backburner and the story changes focus I could very easily see him dead or otherwise completely disabled very soon. The focus can't stay on Annie in a study-a-thon unless it's sped up, and her breaking the new rules could easily put him in danger as their primary enforcer.
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I really hope that there's at least some sort of conflict between Kat and Annie over the cheating, and she doesn't just straight up forgive her. That's the sort of thing that shouldn't be tolerated, least of all between best friends.
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YF-23 posted:I'm not too certain of this. Unless his and Annie's role in the comic gets put in the backburner and the story changes focus I could very easily see him dead or otherwise completely disabled very soon. The focus can't stay on Annie in a study-a-thon unless it's sped up, and her breaking the new rules could easily put him in danger as their primary enforcer. It'd be weird to get rid of him so soon, although there's a few ways to do it. I think if anything, this will be the last straw, and Annie will abandon the Court entirely. As far as I can tell, Kat and Annie have been cast on polar sides of a conflict, and while Annie has been portrayed as the peace maker between the two sides, eventually them being separated is going to create what I assume to be the final conflict, as Kat will become the mad robot queen and Annie will become the burning symbol of nature's wrath at the cold nature of mankind. This could be the start of a big denouement.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:It'd be weird to get rid of him so soon
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Fister Roboto posted:I really hope that there's at least some sort of conflict between Kat and Annie over the cheating, and she doesn't just straight up forgive her. That's the sort of thing that shouldn't be tolerated, least of all between best friends. Kat will I think absolutely forgive her. The most she would think will be that "if you were in trouble keeping up, you should have come to me openly and told me and I'd have agreed to tutor you! Why didn't I see earlier that you were having trouble?" There's basically zero way Annie has harmed Kat, and besides just because Annie copied her homework doesn't mean Annie learned literally nothing from that. It's Annie who wouldn't forgive herself and can be easily induced to think that Kat now hates her, or that her relationship is a threat to Kat's success, and would thus keep her distance, probably also reasoning that now that Kat has Paz she wouldn't need her.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:As far as I can tell, Kat and Annie have been cast on polar sides of a conflict, and while Annie has been portrayed as the peace maker between the two sides, eventually them being separated is going to create what I assume to be the final conflict, as Kat will become the mad robot queen and Annie will become the burning symbol of nature's wrath at the cold nature of mankind. This could be the start of a big denouement. This has me wondering...considering the story Coyote told about himself being the product of belief, could it be possible that the image the robot's belief about Kat will manifest itself as an entity independent of Kat? A sort of Court counterpart to Coyote.
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Doesn't Zimmy see Kat as some sort of giant ironworks sculpture made out of swords or something
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Rei_ posted:Doesn't Zimmy see Kat as some sort of giant ironworks sculpture made out of swords or something Yep! It's (part of) my avatar.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:
Nope, still gonna hate him forever. That's what I was talking about before. He is already irredeemable for many many people. He's either gotta stay the big bad guy, slip off into absenteeism again, or die.
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I think we can all agree that Anthony Carver does not care *at all* about Annie's emotions. Even if you think he's trying to be a good dad, he clearly does not take her feelings into account when he acts. Look at what's he done: 1. Abandoned her to the court for six years shortly after her mother's death. 2. Virtually no communication between them during this time. Certainly no explanation for his absence. 3. Decides to re-enter her life by ambushing her in public, as a teacher. There's no private reunion, no letter giving her a head's up, no phone call, nothing. That's got to be one of the worst ways to show up after disappearing for so long. 4. Immediately publicly humiliates her in class and then proceeds to turn her life upside down by cutting her off from friends, taking away Renard, and so forth. 5. There's also the magical surgery he attempted on her. Annie is in shock and Anthony doesn't even seem to notice or care. I would bet she becomes incredibly depressed and withdrawn, possibly to the point where she gives up on life. Teenagers have attempted suicide over less emotional trauma. Keep in mind that she probably still has survivor's guilt over her mother's death. He's either doing this intentionally (probably wants to soften her up so removing the fire elemental spirit is easier) or he is one of those guys that thinks all emotions are useless, especially in women.
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Rei_ posted:Doesn't Zimmy see Kat as some sort of giant ironworks sculpture made out of swords or something Paz saw it briefly too at the end of Torn Sea.
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Rei_ posted:Doesn't Zimmy see Kat as some sort of giant ironworks sculpture made out of swords or something Right, a projection into the ether, how the robots view her is being made "real" via the ether (like ship whale). But Kat rejects the notion she is some sort of robot angel, but there it is nevertheless so it either is her, she becomes it, or it, through a property of the ether, it becomes its own entity. At least, that's how my thinking sorts the possibilities. e. and I'm happy to be wrong (again) but anything to avoid thinking about what is actually happening is ok with me 
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clockworkjoe posted:he is one of those guys that thinks all emotions are useless, especially in women. Or he's just Schizoid, or even Schizotypal.
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clockworkjoe posted:I would bet she becomes incredibly depressed and withdrawn, possibly to the point where she gives up on life. I'm not entirely sure how I'd feel if this actually happened. Poor Annie!
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I really hope sometime in the next three or four chapters Rey gets a chance to just up and posses Anthony so he can be Annie's new dad.
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I Said No posted:
Anthony has taken away the forest's party. And that's terrible.
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clockworkjoe posted:I think we can all agree that Anthony Carver does not care *at all* about Annie's emotions. I don't agree. I'm really just amazed at all the people jumping to the conclusion that Anthony is pure evil, or autistic, or a sociopath, or whatever, just because he's being strict with Annie and Tom hasn't immediately revealed the reason for his actions. You people obviously haven't been reading the same comic I have. When was the last time the comic featured a character who was unambiguously evil? Keep in mind that Renard, a demon who murders people and possesses their bodies, is one of the the most popular characters in the comic.
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I Said No posted:
Why did you ever resist it in the first place 
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Either Anthony or Antimony is going to leave the school by the end of this chapter. They can't exist together, simple enough. And Antimony's distrust of authority, being bad enough, will not allow him to keep driving her off a cliff as he is. He is basically stepping in and dismantling her life bit by bit, and if she doesn't stand up to him someone is going to convince her to.
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Fister Roboto posted:I don't agree. It's almost like we're judging him by his actions and words instead of by a hypothetical future revelation that may or may not recontextualize them.
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Lurdiak posted:It's almost like we're judging him by his actions and words instead of by a hypothetical future revelation that may or may not recontextualize them. It's almost like he's a fictional character in a webcomic, and not a real life person.
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Fister Roboto posted:I don't agree. He's not being strict. If he was just a strict parent, he would have been there for the last six years and her cheating would have been caught much earlier, if she cheated at all. He abandoned her when she needed him most, hasn't provided any actual guidance to her and has put her into shock by dumping everything on her at once. He may have good intentions but he doesn't care how she processes it. You can achieve the same goals but minimize the emotional damage. If he had introduced himself before class with some people she trusts, then I could believe he cares about her emotional well being. Stage it like an intervention or something. But the way he's delivering the news is maximizing the damage, needlessly. Either he doesn't care or he wants her to suffer.
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clockworkjoe posted:I think we can all agree that Anthony Carver does not care *at all* about Annie's emotions. Even if you think he's trying to be a good dad, he clearly does not take her feelings into account when he acts. Look at what's he done: Again, being super pedantic here, it's been slightly less than four years. Annie started partway through year 7, it's now the start of year 10. Still very bad and I completely agree with you overall but I feel like being a super sperglord today! I guess the difference between 4 and 6 years isn't really all that much but whaatever~
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Bad people are allowed to exist in Gunnerkrigg Court. Edit: Also, Hetty in Chapter 43 was pretty evil. And whoever was responsible for the power station thing that was torturing Zimmy way back. Fangz fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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Fangz posted:Bad people are allowed to exist in Gunnerkrigg Court. I'm sure Anthony will turn out to be a thoroughly nuanced rear end in a top hat
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Fister Roboto posted:I don't agree. Well, we had Diego. And Hetty.
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Roland Jones posted:Well, we had Diego. And Hetty. Hetty did nothing wrong She was the hero we deserve
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I Said No posted:
This is, incidentally, the Coyote version of someone having gay sex with a brazen idol of a pig atop the murdered corpse of their father in the Holy of Holies while shouting "Yahweh!" over and over in pleasure. e: and the pig statue is their neighbor's wife.
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Fangz posted:Bad people are allowed to exist in Gunnerkrigg Court. Like Coyote. Memory eating, encouraging Renard to posess the young boy killing him, threatening Annie with the arm bind and being a manipulative rear end in a top hat in general. Annie even likes him, same must go for Anthony.
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Fister Roboto posted:It's almost like he's a fictional character in a webcomic, and not a real life person. Well if you're going to go there, why are you getting annoyed at people for reacting to Anthony the way the story clearly wants them to react? People hated Snape, too, even if he had good reasons to do the stuff he did.
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Kikas posted:Like Coyote. Memory eating, encouraging Renard to posess the young boy killing him, threatening Annie with the arm bind and being a manipulative rear end in a top hat in general. Annie even likes him, same must go for Anthony. Coyote is malicious and fun. Anthony is malicious and very very unfun.
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