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The Locator posted:I'm actually happy to hear that. I've never been a fan of a single mistake ending a career, although I understand in some cases it's simply not avoidable (tends to depend on how bad the consequences of the mistake were in many cases). Just wasn't sure where that threshold was for ATC type work. The culture of ATC has changed quite a bit over the last decade or so. Aviation in general as well. The move away from punitive action toward trying to understand causal factors is a good one, in my opinion.
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MrChips posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtnL4KYVtDE I'm usually not one to wax poetic about lost opportunities, but some days I really regret that I didn't start travelling to Hong Kong 15 years earlier, I would've loved to experience a landing in Kai Tak.
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Of course it was the JAL pilot going for maximum drift down the runway.  That video's crazy, would have been a fun ride.
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hobbesmaster posted:Enterprise isn't a real shuttle. It's real enough. Real'er than the plywood shuttle.  And hey at least it actually "flew"CharlesM posted:That plane is in the scrapyard. Yep. Just like 9/10ths of that company. 
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Duke Chin posted:It's real enough. Real'er than the plywood shuttle. It reached an altitude of 30,000 feet and flew to a landing under its own lift with pilots onboard, you can drop the quote marks there, mister.
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StandardVC10 posted:Man, I kind of wish the Nimrod MRA4 had gone through just so I could have something to point to as "here, this is the strangest airplane in the world today." Nimrod is in your 6 o'clock and would like to have a word...  Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason for it being equipped with the Sidewinder.
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inkjet_lakes posted:Bonus points to anyone who knows the reason for it being equipped with the Sidewinder. So it could be used against other long-range patrol aircraft, which likely/generally wouldn't have an escort. If you put yourself between a recon/ASW Bear and its home base, they've got a real dilemma. AIM-9 beats 23mm. The P-3 (and I'd imagine the P-8) also has the *ability* to carry and use a Sidewinder, but past a single image of it carrying one along with basically every other piece of armament it could carry, I don't think it was standard practice. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So it could be used against other long-range patrol aircraft, which likely/generally wouldn't have an escort. If you put yourself between a recon/ASW Bear and its home base, they've got a real dilemma. AIM-9 beats 23mm. That's post-hoc justification for why the capability still existed on the MRA4. The reason it has a sidewinder is because they were added in a rush during the falklands, I can't remember if it was because the Nimrods down there had to operate on their own and they were worried about them being challenged by etendards, or if they actually thought there was a chance of them running into Argentina's lone 707 maritime patrol, or perhaps both. It was a quick jerry rigging anyway.
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SybilVimes posted:It was a quick jerry rigging anyway. The early model Sidewinders were essentially factory-produced field-modifications, themselves. They are extremely easy to adapt to nearly any airframe, since their electronics are so simple.
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SybilVimes posted:That's post-hoc justification for why the capability still existed on the MRA4. The story I heard is that they actually encountered Argentinian patrol aircraft out over the ocean, and neither was armed. The Nimrod was quickly retrofitted with sidewinders to make sure it's prepared for the next encounter.
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Fucknag posted:It reached an altitude of 30,000 feet and flew to a landing under its own lift with pilots onboard, you can drop the quote marks there, mister. Okay okay... It glided.
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I'm quite bummed that I've been on four trans-Atlantic flights and never once it was a 747. Are there any routes or airlines particularly heavy on them vs 777 or other wide-bodies?
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MrChips posted:Forgot one, dude. Haha wow. No idea that existed. (Air Canada no longer flies 747s so that means no Canadian airline does.)
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm quite bummed that I've been on four trans-Atlantic flights and never once it was a 747. Are there any routes or airlines particularly heavy on them vs 777 or other wide-bodies? British Airways have them still, I believe. I've done Cape Town to LHR on one.
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Wardair is one of those memories that older people have from the 70s that sounds like it's through rose colored glasses, but the more you dig into it they really were a fantastic airline and Max Ward took a ton of care and pride in everything. Supposedly he tagged along on several of those Hawaii trips and saw video of him strolling through the cabin making sure people were happy and having a good flight. I had a die-cast toy of that very plane when I was a kid. 
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slidebite posted:Wardair is one of those memories that older people have from the 70s that sounds like it's through rose colored glasses, but the more you dig into it they really were a fantastic airline and Max Ward took a ton of care and pride in everything. Supposedly he tagged along on several of those Hawaii trips and saw video of him strolling through the cabin making sure people were happy and having a good flight. I can't think of a single former Wardair employee presently employed at AC that isn't in some way an embittered old man. You can kind of understand it, having been screwed six ways from Sunday, but it's like whenever the latest round of executives decide how to run the joint, they're just shaking their heads and thinking "I was at Woodstock, man..."
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm quite bummed that I've been on four trans-Atlantic flights and never once it was a 747. Are there any routes or airlines particularly heavy on them vs 777 or other wide-bodies? The British Airways non-stop from Phoenix to London has been a 747 ever single time I've seen it in Phoenix.
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm quite bummed that I've been on four trans-Atlantic flights and never once it was a 747. Are there any routes or airlines particularly heavy on them vs 777 or other wide-bodies? We get a bunch at Logan - AF 744s to CDG, BA 744s twice a day to LHR, Lufthansa 744s twice a day to Munich.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Lufthansa 744s twice a day to Munich. We do? I took Lufthansa to Munich in 2012, and it was an A340
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Shampoo posted:We do? I took Lufthansa to Munich in 2012, and it was an A340 I meant Frankfurt, sorry. The Munich flight is on a 343 still.
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The Ferret King posted:The culture of ATC has changed quite a bit over the last decade or so. Aviation in general as well. The move away from punitive action toward trying to understand causal factors is a good one, in my opinion. Hey Ferret King, are you privy to a move towards reducing the number of missed handoffs by either the FAA or ATC? I've had numerous ones over the years and it's never been more than a "well that sucks, welcome aboard" moment but lately I've been hearing that controllers and pilots are getting in hot water over either not giving or not receiving handoff instructions. I had one a couple weeks ago and that ended up with a visit from my local fed inspector which is kind of bizarre.
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Shampoo posted:We do? I took Lufthansa to Munich in 2012, and it was an A340 Frankfurt has two 747's that make the haul from what I've flown. The 787-8 and the old lovely 747, I always book that -8. I'll be back on it on the 19th, actually. Munich has the 777's that I've flown on.
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I've flown several flights between DFW, EWR and LHR on BA and it was never a 747
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I've spent a lot of quality time over the Pacific on UA's 744s. They are nice in the way that a classic muscle car is nice but you wouldn't want to spend 15 hours straight in it.
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Linedance posted:I can't think of a single former Wardair employee presently employed at AC that isn't in some way an embittered old man. You can kind of understand it, having been screwed six ways from Sunday, but it's like whenever the latest round of executives decide how to run the joint, they're just shaking their heads and thinking "I was at Woodstock, man..." I am a little surprised there are still Ex-Wardair employees with AC. Looking it up I guess they didn't get bought by Canadian until 1989 which isn't that long ago if they were in their 20s/30s, but some some reason I thought it was a lot earlier than that.
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VOR LOC posted:Hey Ferret King, are you privy to a move towards reducing the number of missed handoffs by either the FAA or ATC? I've had numerous ones over the years and it's never been more than a "well that sucks, welcome aboard" moment but lately I've been hearing that controllers and pilots are getting in hot water over either not giving or not receiving handoff instructions. I had one a couple weeks ago and that ended up with a visit from my local fed inspector which is kind of bizarre. I don't see it identified specifically in any of the last 3 years of ATSAP (our safety reporting system) bulletins. The process of handing an aircraft off to another control has several checks and balances: First, the sending controller can't let an aircraft enter another controller's airspace without some kind of coordination Second, the receiving controller, upon noticing an aircraft entering their airspace without coordination, should query the adjacent controller as to the reason. Third, even if coordination was completed, but the radio (communications) switch wasn't made, the receiving controller should notice that the newly inbound aircraft hasn't checked in with them, and query the sending controller promptly. When this happens, the sending controller will call the aircraft and advise them to make the frequency switch, or advise the receiving controller that the aircraft is no longer on their frequency either. Once THAT happens, there are a few ways to try to contact the flight. Approach controls can use the emergency frequency 121.5 and hope they're listening (many centers do NOT have VHF 121.5 transmit/receive capability at the workstation), if reception might be an issue we can relay through other aircraft on the same frequency, or we simply have to wait for the flight crew to notice something's wrong. Anyway I'm over explaining this. The issue lately is that FSDO/DEN (domestic events network) notification rules have changed in the last few years. When we can't get a hold of an aircraft for 5 minutes, a verbal report gets made to the DEN in Washington D.C. and they may elect to take various actions to track the flight. Loss of communications with an IFR aircraft for more than 5 minutes is considered "suspicious" and so it begins a paper trail that probably resulted in your visit. It doesn't necessarily have to end badly for anyone involved, but they're trying to make sure inconsistencies don't get overlooked in the national airspace system. Presently though, it's not a Top 5 item for ATC and I can't find any bulletins or notices about the events that suggest it's seen as s systemic problem. It just kinda happens sometimes :/
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Cessna 414 crash in Bloomington, IL. 7 dead including two Illinois State University basketball staff. http://www.wave3.com/story/28738329/plane-returning-from-ncaa-game-crashes-in-illinois-7-dead
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm quite bummed that I've been on four trans-Atlantic flights and never once it was a 747. Are there any routes or airlines particularly heavy on them vs 777 or other wide-bodies? Nebakenezzer posted:(Air Canada no longer flies 747s so that means no Canadian airline does.)
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:KLM, it seems. I just did LAX to Amsterdam and back two weeks ago and was on a 747 both ways. Was it on one of those horrible combis? I didn't ever want to see the inside of a 747 again after a particularly horrible CDG - MRU flight on Air France, but here was KLM, trying to save themselves from being blown away on their double daily to Dubai by Emirates and LCCs doing vacation flights, sending their dankest planes 
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holocaust bloopers posted:Cessna 414 crash in Bloomington, IL. 7 dead including two Illinois State University basketball staff. Just after midnight? METARs... KBMI 070625Z AUTO 11006KT 1SM R29/P6000FT BR OVC002 13/13 A2998 RMK AO2 P0001 KBMI 070615Z AUTO 11007KT 3/4SM R29/5000VP6000FT BR OVC002 13/13 A2998 RMK AO2 P0001 KBMI 070556Z AUTO 11005KT 1/2SM R29/3500V4000FT FG OVC002 13/13 A2998 RMK AO2 50000 60000 T01270127 10161 20127 401770100 RAE25 P0000 SLP152 KBMI 070548Z AUTO 10005KT 1/2SM R29/3000V4000FT FG OVC002 13/13 A2998 RMK AO2 RAE25 P0000 Theres good CATI approaches on all runways and the wind was quite light... Speaking of bad weather, NTSB had an update on the Delta runway excursion at LGA... quote:In April 2015 the NTSB provided a brief update stating that the aircraft was aligned with the runway at the time of touchdown, touchdown occurred at 133 KIAS close to the runway centerline, 2 seconds after the main gear touched down thrust reversers were deployed and the engines accelerated to provide reverse thrust, 2.5 seconds after main gear touchdown the spoilers deployed, 2.8 seconds after main gear touchdown the brakes began to pressurize consistent with autobrakes starting to operate and the nose gear touched down, about 6 seconds after main gear touchdown the aircraft's heading began to deviate to the left, at that point both engines were delivering EPR 1.9 with reversers engaged, the left engine reached a peak of 2.07 EPR, the right engine peaked at 1.91 EPR between 6 and 7 seconds after main gear touchdown, 9 seconds after main gear touchdown the reversers were stowed at about EPR 1.6 on both engines, the aircraft exited the left edge of the runway 14 seconds after main gear touchdown.
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Koesj posted:Was it on one of those horrible combis?
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slidebite posted:I am a little surprised there are still Ex-Wardair employees with AC. Looking it up I guess they didn't get bought by Canadian until 1989 which isn't that long ago if they were in their 20s/30s, but some some reason I thought it was a lot earlier than that. I wouldn't be surprised to discover the animated corpse of a Trans Canada Airlines employee still working there somewhere (probably in the depths of the underground tunnels of The Base in Montreal, though just as likely in some obscure outstation that everyone has forgotten about and AC hasn't flown to in decades). I was born in 77 and I've worked with people who's seniority date is before I was born, and they're still working.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:So it could be used against other long-range patrol aircraft, which likely/generally wouldn't have an escort. If you put yourself between a recon/ASW Bear and its home base, they've got a real dilemma. AIM-9 beats 23mm. NightGyr posted:The story I heard is that they actually encountered Argentinian patrol aircraft out over the ocean, and neither was armed. The Nimrod was quickly retrofitted with sidewinders to make sure it's prepared for the next encounter. Indeed, an Argentine 707 was shadowing the Royal Navy task force and after it and a Nimrod ended up sharing the same airspace some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to at least try to have a pop at it, so the Nimrod was cleared for the Aim-9 in very short order. Unfortunately as the 707 was faster and had a higher cruise height they never got chance to fire one in anger, and the 707 flights ceased once word of the new capability got out. I imagine one converted 50's airliner getting a kill on another converted 50's airliner would have made for one of the more unusual air-to-air victories in history at least? Later on it was considered a useful capability should the Nimrods, which were operating pretty close to the Argentine coast at times, come across a Hercules/Neptune etc. Whilst I'm sure they had no intentions to mix it with a Mirage, the test aircraft for the modification got a Sidewinder tone on a Phantom which was dumb enough to get low n' slow with them... Supposedly AMRAAM was being considered as a future option for the MRA4 as the radar & weapons bus were capable of handling it 
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inkjet_lakes posted:Supposedly AMRAAM was being considered as a future option for the MRA4 as the radar & weapons bus were capable of handling it The Missileer made real!
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This would seem to qualify as a bad day: http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/pilot-stricken-glider-parachutes-safetyquote:A pilot parachuted to safety onto the top of a hospital parking garage in downtown Reno, Nevada, on Sunday after an apparent encounter with severe mountain wave turbulence tore both the wings off his German-built Schleicher glider. quote:One wing was located in a city park about mile from where Spielman set down while the main fuselage of the glider crashed into an alley, damaging parked cars but causing no injuries. The other wing has yet to be located, police said.
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Repost. Original images weren't showing up. Saw this going down 183 in Austin on Sunday afternoon.  I NEED TO LEARN TO NOT POST GIANT IMAGES   (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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