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SNCOs are certainly treated a bit different, but not quite to the private treefort that the chiefs have built themselves. Officer/Enlisted separations are a bit different story, but there should be some more fluidity between them. Ultimately, middle management does serve some purpose and shouldn't be abolished entirely.
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Let's start by unifying the uniforms. Weird concept, doesn't even make sense etymologically.
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Apr 7, 2015 17:54
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Sir Lucius posted:Let's start by unifying the uniforms. Weird concept, doesn't even make sense etymologically. No kidding. Congratulations on making rank! Now drop at least a grand on a new uniform for reasons!
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Apr 7, 2015 18:49
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PneumonicBook posted:No kidding. Congratulations on making rank! Now drop at least a grand on a new uniform for reasons! Well, its not like they don't get an allowance for that. It doesn't come out of their pocket at all.
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Apr 7, 2015 19:06
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Howard Phillips posted:I think the CPO culture is a bit outdated for today's Aside from striking out one little word, I agree with everything you've just said. Sadly, it's the good people that get out due to the "bullshit" and the lovely people who bought in to that lovely mentality of the caste system who go on perpetuating it. I think the Navy thread knows of my distaste for the elitism that comes with making E-7 in the Navy (different uniforms, separate berthing, separate dining, etc.) along with some of the holier-than-thou attitudes that a small group of the nobles have. Just because someone has been in the Navy for 15+ years does not mean they are good at their job- just because someone is of a certain pay grade doesn't mean they have what it takes to be a leader. I think the Marine Corps kind of got it right by separating job specialist versus management guy with the master sergeant or first sergeant, only it needs to happen at a more junior level like E-4. Edit: one other small thing I disagree with above is just because a guy is technically sound in his field does not mean he has the ability to lead/manage a work center. I've seen people who excel at their job but suck at leading. germskr fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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Apr 7, 2015 19:54
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Howard Phillips posted:Alas it will never happen but one can dream. It would mean DOD wide reform, but even going towards something like the GS pay scale would make more sense. Everybody is on the same pay system and appropriately compensated based on experience/responsibility/ability. Get rid of toxic cultures such as goat locker etc... The divide still exists within the GS pay structure, and definitely between GS/W* schedules. e: there's even some gay little rating scrapfights between certain job-series codes
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Apr 8, 2015 00:10
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krispykremessuck posted:The divide still exists within the GS pay structure, and definitely between GS/W* schedules. holy poo poo it's like people who get poached out of active duty into a gs job carry their dumb gay bullshit with them
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Apr 8, 2015 00:16
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krispykremessuck posted:I really want your navy story to eventually end that you were in for like 8 months and got medically retired at some ridiculous rating due to a foot injury at great lakes Sigh. A bucketful of coritzone pills, 28 day LLD chit with tennis shoes and the OK to ride the duty bus from chief. gently caress you bone contusion.
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Apr 8, 2015 00:17
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orange juche posted:holy poo poo it's like people who get poached out of active duty into a gs job carry their dumb gay bullshit with them they do, it's usually funny to watch too
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Apr 8, 2015 00:18
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Mr. Nice! posted:Well, its not like they don't get an allowance for that. It doesn't come out of their pocket at all. Not according to literally every chief select I've talked to. Maybe they're lying though. 
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Apr 8, 2015 00:54
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orange juche posted:holy poo poo it's like people who get poached out of active duty into a gs job carry their dumb gay bullshit with them Oh my god so much. The last two days have been spent listening to old Navy now GS dudes who retired at HYT bitching about the new Navy and how we suck at it. quote:one other small thing I disagree with above is just because a guy is technically sound in his field does not mean he has the ability to lead/manage a work center. I've seen people who excel at their job but suck at leading. It seems like the folks advancing to E-7 lately are folks who are good at neither. They're really good at hanging out in the CPO mess and the Bar wearing NAVY CHIEF PRIDE HOOYAH poo poo and backstabbing and breaking rules while hammering young people who are better educated than them for stupid poo poo like curfew violations. So many poo poo CPOs on the waterfront who don't know a thing about PMS or their gear or leading a division.
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poopkitty posted:Oh my god so much. The last two days have been spent listening to old Navy now GS dudes who retired at HYT bitching about the new Navy and how we suck at it. well, they are good at back channel politics, get those EP's
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Apr 8, 2015 01:32
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poopkitty posted:It seems like the folks advancing to E-7 lately are folks who are good at neither. They're really good at hanging out in the CPO mess and the Bar wearing NAVY CHIEF PRIDE HOOYAH poo poo and backstabbing and breaking rules while hammering young people who are better educated than them for stupid poo poo like curfew violations. So many poo poo CPOs on the waterfront who don't know a thing about PMS or their gear or leading a division. That's what happens when the pickings are slim. Just out of curiosity, how do they evaluate chiefs against each other? Also, what's the point if you have no intentions on becoming a Force or MCPON?
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Apr 8, 2015 02:16
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did you see the poo poo on MCPONS page abut giving boots acer tablets during P-days?! what is this fuckery? god help their IT department.
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Arione posted:did you see the poo poo on MCPONS page abut giving boots acer tablets during P-days?! what is this fuckery? god help their IT department. I thought the point of boot camp was to break your lovely civ habits and turn you into a little robot? Giving them tablets and letting them be connected to poo poo undoes that.
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Apr 8, 2015 04:46
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orange juche posted:I thought the point of boot camp was to break your lovely civ habits and turn you into a little robot? Giving them tablets and letting them be connected to poo poo undoes that. Navy boot camp is about folding teeshirts, washing ones rear end regular like, sneaking off to bone after hours, and memorizing poo poo that gets forgotten once you get to A school. There's some mild PT'ing too...
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Dingleberry posted:Navy boot camp is about folding teeshirts, washing ones rear end regular like, sneaking off to bone after hours, and memorizing poo poo that gets forgotten once you get to A school. Well if the tablets are locked to only the crap they wanted us to learn about in the blue jackets manual (which we werent allowed to look at less we break the binding and ruin an inspection) and that other useless guide, you know the one with missing words you could only get from terrible lectures. So many loving typos. Perhaps a flash card app. Wouldnt be the end the world.
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sr timmy is going to catch an article 108 before he graduates...
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Apr 8, 2015 05:21
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LingcodKilla posted:and that other useless guide, you know the one with missing words you could only get from terrible lectures. So many loving typos. Perhaps a flash card app. Wouldnt be the end the world. drat, I just got flashbacks from that thing. If there has even been a device most terrible at teaching me anything, that was it. It's like they wanted to design for a 1st grader they hated.
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Apr 8, 2015 05:29
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LingcodKilla posted:Well if the tablets are locked to only the crap they wanted us to learn about in the blue jackets manual (which we werent allowed to look at less we break the binding and ruin an inspection) and that other useless guide, you know the one with missing words you could only get from terrible lectures. So many loving typos. Perhaps a flash card app. Wouldnt be the end the world. I didn't give a poo poo and read my bluejackets manual anyways because gently caress it. Didn't have a tablet though so 
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orange juche posted:I didn't give a poo poo and read my bluejackets manual anyways because gently caress it. Didn't have a tablet though so Yeah I read mine at night because 10y out of date info is still more interesting than sleeping 8 hours a night. Never got so much sleep in my life.
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PneumonicBook posted:Not according to literally every chief select I've talked to. Maybe they're lying though. They are. They get a special uniform allowance for all their poo poo. Edit: FY-2015 Navy Special Initial Clothing Allowance Special Reason Male Female Advancement to CPO $1,096.21 $927.50 Selection to OCS, ECP, or Seaman to Admiral Program $1,872.57 $2,002.47 For the new officers that's the last uniform allowance they'll ever get. The Chiefs still get their annual allowance as well. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Apr 8, 2015 14:57
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Back in the land of bikini clad baristas. Praise baby Jesus and God bless America. 
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vulturesrow posted:Back in the land of bikini clad baristas. Praise baby Jesus and God bless America. San Diego?
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LingcodKilla posted:San Diego? Washington you loving boot. 
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vulturesrow posted:Washington you loving boot. All the whorelatte stands got shutdown in Everett.
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Dingleberry posted:All the whorelatte stands got shutdown in Everett. Think of the poor sailors =(
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Dingleberry posted:All the whorelatte stands got shutdown in Everett. Just drove past one yesterday in Lake Stevens.
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vulturesrow posted:Washington you loving boot. Dont talk to your elders like that.  Would love to end up in Washington.
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LingcodKilla posted:Dont talk to your elders like that. I'm older than you I'm pretty sure. And Washington is pretty great imo.
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vulturesrow posted:Just drove past one yesterday in Lake Stevens. Yeah but can u get a blowjibber in the storage shed?  http://q13fox.com/2014/11/17/city-of-everett-seizes-bikini-barista-stands-to-put-them-up-for-sale/
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Possibly. I'm just 37. Good to hear Washington is sweet. Really gonna try hard for it.vulturesrow posted:I'm older than you I'm pretty sure. And Washington is pretty great imo.
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LingcodKilla posted:Possibly. I'm just 37. Good to hear Washington is sweet. Really gonna try hard for it. parts of washington are sweet, and that's to exclude psns and its immediate vicinity
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krispykremessuck posted:parts of washington are sweet, and that's to exclude psns and its immediate vicinity Ok how are the areas withing an hour of the major naval yards and bases? I was looking at Port Orchard as possible place to relocate but something closer to Seattle seemed decent. Bear in mind I'm from the Bay Area CA so traffic is not a big deal.
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Mr. Nice! posted:They are. They get a special uniform allowance for all their poo poo. Not only do we get a uniform allowance, but the NEX gives new CPOs an INTEREST FREE loan until your uniform allowance comes in. Them shits is free. And if you're not a dumbass you can make some coin.
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krispykremessuck posted:parts of washington are sweet, and that's to exclude psns and its immediate vicinity I very much enjoyed living in Silverdale.
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poopkitty posted:Not only do we get a uniform allowance, but the NEX gives new CPOs an INTEREST FREE loan until your uniform allowance comes in. Them shits is free. And if you're not a dumbass you can make some coin. So those fundraisers? A scam? I do believe now the integrity of the CHIEF PETTY OFFICER has been besmirched good madam
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Fart Sandwiches posted:So those fundraisers? A scam? I do believe now the integrity of the CHIEF PETTY OFFICER has been besmirched good madam If you thought the fundraisers went to uniforms you were sadly mistaken.
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Fart Sandwiches posted:So those fundraisers? A scam? I do believe now the integrity of the CHIEF PETTY OFFICER has been besmirched good madam Their uniform allowances are already spent by their filipino ex wives. Just like the E6 and below spend theirs on hookers and beer.
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Mr. Nice! posted:They are. They get a special uniform allowance for all their poo poo. Where's the gender equality in regards to uniform allowance? It should be the same. Yeah, yeah, I know... females have to pay more for their uniform items.
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