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darth cookie posted:I still struggle to understand the CFC hate in BRAVE. Yeah ok they had some unfortunate TEST influence, but really? We offered them Delve and mostly left them alone aside from small group day trippers while PL farmed them like cattle and yet they hate our guts and not PL. It's weird.
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Um why was a ~girl~ given a position of power
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Apr 7, 2015 23:43
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Also is the BRAVE CEO actually Australian, she actually sounds South African
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To be fair, that dude is in BOS, which, post-SUAS leaving has kinda fallen on really hard times as a PVP group, they lose a fuckton of ratting carriers to retarded ganks. Look up D K Cat's killboard for example. Also someone needs to tell Gurefia that AFK cloaking doesn't work unless you don't get caught. orange juche fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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Brave members do not like PL at all. I sat in GE- for 2 weeks spouting the most degenerate pubbie gibberish possible taunting them and they didn't care for it at all. The fact that a report went through successfully is total horseshit considering I was just smashing my keyboard with my fist for words a few times every sentence.
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Apr 7, 2015 23:49
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darth cookie posted:I still struggle to understand the CFC hate in BRAVE. Yeah ok they had some unfortunate TEST influence, but really? We offered them Delve and mostly left them alone aside from small group day trippers while PL farmed them like cattle and yet they hate our guts and not PL. It's weird. I farmed them religiously for a period of six months when leading Space Violence a year back or so. That might have a liiiiiiiiiittle bit to do with it  "gently caress syndicate is empty let's go farm brave again"
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Apr 7, 2015 23:51
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The saddest part about this for me is not being able to hop out of a catch hole to stir the hornets nest in BUZ and snag a few miner / ratter kills. We went in there last night looking for fun and only found 3 dudes. The local tears were the best part about the experience in all honesty.
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Apr 8, 2015 00:03
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Recoome posted:Also is the BRAVE CEO actually Australian, she actually sounds South African Malanek, the new Brave CEO, is a lawyer, and an Aussie. Kira (the girl you think sounds Saffie), the self-appointed voice of the new regime, is also a lawyer, an Aussie, and a RL friend of Cagali. Cagali, the Brave newbie director and CSM X member, is also an Aussie. I don't know if he's a lawyer. I'll choose to beleive he is, though. What I'm saying is, the downfall of Brave is obviously the result of the covert racism towards Australia from the rest of Eve 
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Apr 8, 2015 00:09
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smertrioslol posted:I farmed them religiously for a period of six months when leading Space Violence a year back or so. That might have a liiiiiiiiiittle bit to do with it I thought we were on pretty good terms in the Barleguet days? We fed them shiny killmails often enough that they could feel good about fighting us, and I even remember one time they gave us a good brawl and Suas pitched them a billion ISK to reimburse their losses while our fleet chilled out and watched them loot the field.
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Apr 8, 2015 00:17
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I said come in! posted:Gaming keyboards and mice are all garbage. I agree
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Voyager I posted:I thought we were on pretty good terms in the Barleguet days? We fed them shiny killmails often enough that they could feel good about fighting us, and I even remember one time they gave us a good brawl and Suas pitched them a billion ISK to reimburse their losses while our fleet chilled out and watched them loot the field. We used to be on great terms before they moved to catch, one of the first things they did when they got into sov nullsec was construct a grr-goons contingent because all the cool kids (TEST/PL) have one, even though we've never done anything overtly hostile to them like burn their region to the ground.
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Apr 8, 2015 00:28
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orange juche posted:To be fair, that dude is in BOS, which, post-SUAS leaving has kinda fallen on really hard times as a PVP group, they lose a fuckton of ratting carriers to retarded ganks. Look up D K Cat's killboard for example. I think most of the members of SV are still from BOS so I don't think they are really doing to badly, ironically the most active members of BOS and SV these days seem to be ex-brave. Also I still can't get my head around the fact that brave jumped from low-sec into the deep end of sov warfare, surely the perfect place for them all along has been npc-null.
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Their "grr gons" hate is almost assuredly inherited from high-sec rejects who bought a pass into Sov Null by joining Brave, and their exposure to TEST. I had an alt in Brave for a long time now to play with some buddies who do wormhole poo poo, and the hate back in the Barleguet days was far less, and isolated to only a few loud babies.
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Apr 8, 2015 00:35
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Hazdoc posted:Their "grr gons" hate is almost assuredly inherited from high-sec rejects who bought a pass into Sov Null by joining Brave, and their exposure to TEST. I had an alt in Brave for a long time now to play with some buddies who do wormhole poo poo, and the hate back in the Barleguet days was far less, and isolated to only a few loud babies. I've talked to a lot of people and asked them why they hate goons, and not very many can articulate their reasoning, beyond "I hate goons!"
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vodkat posted:Also I still can't get my head around the fact that brave jumped from low-sec into the deep end of sov warfare, surely the perfect place for them all along has been npc-null. The perfect place to be is npc-null with a moon mining empire. Holding sov is a farce.
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I wonder if they knew just how staggeringly better the newbie experience probably is in GSF, and the fact that despite the well oiled metagame and strategic machinery, you can sit around with your finger in your rear end losing cheap ships getting paid on the dole all loving day long, in fights that have zero impact or meaning, solely for your personal enjoyment, if you want to do that. I say probably because i've never actually been inside brave, but goonwaffe's "oh poo poo a newbie, here's a billion isk and the right answers to all your dumb questions. want to lead a fleet? you died? here's some more money" thing is probably not something so easily matched by the brave collective as it has ever existed. i dunno if you could ever effectively communicate that to the average brave member and maybe it doesn't rain as much in karmafleet but i think if the average brave member understood that strategic-level "NO FUN ALLOWED" poo poo doesn't mean anybody in the cfc is lacking for fun things to do, they might change their tune a bit.
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hemophilia posted:
It's honestly not possible if they've had too much Kool aid. When that poo poo for brains fcon fc threw his tantrum a week or so ago the brave sub was a den of smug, everyone taking their turn to be all indignant and poo poo.
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mikey posted:It's not real hate based on any actual experiences, it's just the standard Eve pubbie prejudice, amplified by a whole lot of TEST's bullshit. The CFC are the bad guys who blob, gank in highsec, and metagame. PL and NC. are the elite e-honorable endgame good guys who fight the evil blue donut. Although I'm pretty sure that plenty of them actually hate PL after the last month's events. The PL aimed venom is amazing.
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hemophilia posted:I say probably because i've never actually been inside brave, but goonwaffe's "oh poo poo a newbie, here's a billion isk and the right answers to all your dumb questions. want to lead a fleet? you died? here's some more money" thing is probably not something so easily matched by the brave collective as it has ever existed. I legit used to tell newbies to tackle boat on ops because it would cause an isk shower.
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evilweasel posted:the reason brave is getting more and more anti-cfc is because everyone who isn't anti-cfc has figured out karmafleet exists or is trying to figure out how to apply This is actually a pretty good point I hadn't considered, but even pre Karmafleet BRAVE seemed to have a pretty turgid hateboner for us. Rhymenoserous posted:I legit used to tell newbies to tackle boat on ops because it would cause an isk shower. Sow not-really-cap-kill-but-actually-a-structure-shoot-op, reap the newbie tackle whirlwind.
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darth cookie posted:Sow not-really-cap-kill-but-actually-a-structure-shoot-op, reap the newbie tackle whirlwind. It's a different goonfleet now. Now we have people volunteer to shoot structures.
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darth cookie posted:This is actually a pretty good point I hadn't considered, but even pre Karmafleet BRAVE seemed to have a pretty turgid hateboner for us. This should be a thing, if a boat op ends in a structure shoot newbees should thunderdome him for isk showers.
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orange juche posted:To be fair, that dude is in BOS, which, post-SUAS leaving has kinda fallen on really hard times as a PVP group, they lose a fuckton of ratting carriers to retarded ganks. Look up D K Cat's killboard for example. please, show me where the "hard times for BOS post-suas are"
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Springisthebest posted:please, show me where the "hard times for BOS post-suas are" I don't know about "hard times" or not, but the "DK Catpiss Official Black Omega Endorsed Guide to Carrier Ratting" is good for a laugh.
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Wrecked Angle posted:Fair enough, I agree with that. PL's 'we're gonna poo poo on you, then post giving you tips and advice, then poo poo on you some more' was pretty dumb. And if Elise had such a hardon for helping Brave out why didn't he jump right in and join them fulltime? Nobody including PL really wanted Brave to die. But if the only way to avoid killing someone is to tiptoe around and give out the Eve equivalent of a special-needs child gold stars then gently caress em. Nobody seriously invaded IRC, they collapsed because some razor gangs dropped sbus for fights. Alliances that can't take pressure can't have space. PL overcooked them, obviously some people didn't understand how demoralizing their methods were. But with Brave sitting there endlessly repeating that any change to how they played the game would be violating the newbie spirit and FUN PER HOUR I don't really blame them. Elise sat in their reddit and gave advice, CD gave advice, none of it got consideration.
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Springisthebest posted:please, show me where the "hard times for BOS post-suas are" https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/196686-d-k-cats-official-black-omega-endorsed-guide-to-carrier-ratting/ This poo poo really should have been in SGBS where all the vacationers could take their slice out of the backs of non-intel-reading, carrier-losing, badfitting morons from BOS. tiberizzle posted:
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Are you one of the guys from BOS who came into that thread, smugposted a shitton about how it was already replaced, and then edited out your posts when people dogpiled on you for being poo poo? orange juche fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Klyith posted:What would give the impression that they'd listen to him if he did? He'd always be the outsider even if he joined with his main. Wouldn't pretty much anything less than dropping full Wrecking Ball on them qualify as giving them special-needs trial treatment to some degree? No matter what BRAVE fielded, PL would almost certainly be able to escalate higher. If PL wanted them to be a permanent game preserve, ultimately they HAD to pull punches to one degree or another. IMO BRAVE's problem was that they didn't realize their strategic reality and try to make a powerful ally that would help them out under pressure. They didn't want to be anyone's "pets" and that overrode any recognition that ultimately they could be crushed if someone wanted to. All the "Grr goons" hurf durfing hurt them badly in this regard; the one really large entity that was actually mostly leaving them alone was the one they feared being "pets" of the most.
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Kiryen posted:All the "Grr goons" hurf durfing hurt them badly in this regard; the one really large entity that was actually mostly leaving them alone was the one they feared being "pets" of the most. You're not wrong, but at the same time GSF does have the most impressive menagerie in the game, really. It's going to be nice being in a region where we actually need to be at least a bit cautious and play a touch smarter after that ludicrous bacchanal.
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Kiryen posted:All the "Grr goons" hurf durfing hurt them badly in this regard; the one really large entity that was actually mostly leaving them alone was the one they feared being "pets" of the most. Which is pretty funny since we are probably best in class when it comes to working with, and rewarding our allies (and also best in class at demolishing disloyal shitlers. RlP MOA and TEST).
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vodkat posted:I think most of the members of SV are still from BOS so I don't think they are really doing to badly, ironically the most active members of BOS and SV these days seem to be ex-brave. YouTuber posted:The perfect place to be is npc-null with a moon mining empire. Holding sov is a farce. The only really accessible and easy to supply NPC null regions are syndicate and curse. Brave tried moving into syndicate. They moved back to barl after 2-3 weeks because the average line member could make more money in the belts there and the neighboring systems then they could in belts, sites, missions and everything else in syndicate. Curse's access to sov null areas for fights probably would have been better, but they money still would have been poo poo. CCP still says NPC null is perfectly fine. 
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I said come in! posted:Are unstable wormholes found in Dek a good place to rat? Do gankers tend to look in those? Wormholes can be dangerous if you don't know how they work, the rats in them are extremely tough, and you don't have Local to help you, only Dscan. Proceed at your own risk, if you are serious about wormholes check out Hole Squad.
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orange juche posted:Wormholes can be dangerous if you don't know how they work, the rats in them are extremely tough, and you don't have Local to help you, only Dscan. Proceed at your own risk, if you are serious about wormholes check out Hole Squad. Nah, i'm not experienced enough just yet then. I'll wait until I get my Ishtar with Wasp II's.
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I said come in! posted:Are unstable wormholes found in Dek a good place to rat? Do gankers tend to look in those? Totally depends on what you're doing. If you're running C1/C2 sites in a D3 you might run into some pvp, but you can probably escape it pretty easily. If you jump into random C3s in a Gila and try and run some sites you will probably lose more isk (to ganks) than you make. Part of the benefit of a group like Holesquad (or any WH corp) when you're ratting is that your surroundings are all mapped out and people know if there are any hostiles or populated holes nearby. That's hard to do solo. ----------------
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Rhymenoserous posted:The PL aimed venom is amazing. Oh look who mittens hired
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I said come in! posted:Nah, i'm not experienced enough just yet then. I'll wait until I get my Ishtar with Wasp II's. Train for a Gila, apparently.
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Well. Im currently apart of bovril, and i havnt been playing for the past few months,due. To irl issues. The comms was always annoying, i would usually go on and just join an empty ch so itd look like i was actually caring. I logged jn a few days ago to set up my carrier training and JF training, come to find out that PL took over catch and theyre moving to lowsec.once i start playing again ima look for a better corp until i can join CFC.
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TheInsaneHusky posted:Well. Im currently apart of bovril, and i havnt been playing for the past few months,due. To irl issues. The comms was always annoying, i would usually go on and just join an empty ch so itd look like i was actually caring. I logged jn a few days ago to set up my carrier training and JF training, come to find out that PL took over catch and theyre moving to lowsec.once i start playing again ima look for a better corp until i can join CFC. Should have lurked more, man.
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