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I realize that the holodeck can't make money that can leave the holodeck, but the holodeck can certainly make you some money if you know what I'm saying And it doesn't have to be in the backyard. The backyard is in IT. Why have a house? Have a sectioned-off private area in the holodeck. Rent out the other half for $1000/hour Big Mean Jerk posted:I don't care what anyone says, the transporter always kills you. It literally takes you apart atom by atom, turns you (and whoever else is on the pad) into goop, and reuses said goop to make a copy of you at the destination. You die. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kUVmDJ1zB0
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Holodecks would lead to the downfall of civilization, because if you had a holodeck and a replicator, you wouldn't do anything else. You know those people who do nothing but play MMOs all day? Give them a holodeck and see what happens.
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Apr 7, 2015 19:48
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Cat Hatter posted:The holographic chef argument managed to sway me towards the holodeck, but the thing is so big that I'm wondering where I'd put it. Even if you put it in the backyard you would have a bunch of trouble when it came time to move and you have to figure out how to transport a 2 story tall (lets say) 500 square foot box, to say nothing of pouring a proper foundation for it in the first place. Holodeck wouldn't be an addition to your house, it would BE your house. If you needed to move you'd sell your holodeck and buy a new one at the new location and resync your data from Google drive/ Dropbox/ iTunes.
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Apr 7, 2015 19:54
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In order to use the holodeck, you either need to keep your job or rent it out to people. You still have to go buy food. It's really tough between holodeck and replicator. Is there any catch to the replicator? Or is the power source powerful enough to create matter from energy?
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Apr 7, 2015 19:58
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Gammatron 64 posted:Holodecks would lead to the downfall of civilization, because if you had a holodeck and a replicator, you wouldn't do anything else. You know those people who do nothing but play MMOs all day? Give them a holodeck and see what happens. Counterpoint, those MMOs didn't turn them into addicts. As we currently understand it these were addicts who found the thing they were addicted to. MMO addicts and people who spend a ton of money on free to play games are a very small minority, just like people who can't control their drinking or gambling. Some people would be addicted to holodecks for sure, but not everyone or even most people.
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Cojawfee posted:In order to use the holodeck, you either need to keep your job or rent it out to people. You still have to go buy food. It's really tough between holodeck and replicator. Is there any catch to the replicator? Or is the power source powerful enough to create matter from energy? Just like the in-universe replicator, the device creates matter from other forms of matter. So you could stick all your trash/wastepaper/hunk of dirt into the matter buffer and it would reorganize that matter into whatever you wanted. And if the replicator serves you food, you eat the food, then return the used dishes and utensils to be reclaimed by the replicator.
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Apr 7, 2015 20:03
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greatn posted:Holodeck wouldn't be an addition to your house, it would BE your house. If you needed to move you'd sell your holodeck and buy a new one at the new location and resync your data from Google drive/ Dropbox/ iTunes. How many holodecks are floating around in this scenario? Speaking of money though, I wonder if Warner Bros. would be willing to sign over half the gross revenue to put a video camera in there for a few hours. "Computer, create a Justice League movie that could defeat The Avengers (at the box office)" The only financial risk they'd be taking upfront would be the camera guy's salary. I know you could just ask for a 4K file to copy to a real hard drive, but where is the fun in that?
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Apr 7, 2015 20:08
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I would, quite seriously, love to play Skyrim on a holodeck. Might make those barrows scary instead of grindy.
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Apr 7, 2015 20:15
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Ah guys, the holodeck USES replicators for most of the poo poo you eat/touch remember. Holodeck gives you the best of both worlds.
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Apr 7, 2015 20:23
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Nutsngum posted:Ah guys, the holodeck USES replicators for most of the poo poo you eat/touch remember. Holodeck gives you the best of both worlds. They are three loving interrelated technologies. The dilemma is bullshit, because it's an artificial constraint that you can't use the replicator to figure out how to build a holodeck or vice versa.
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Apr 7, 2015 20:35
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greatn posted:Counterpoint, those MMOs didn't turn them into addicts. As we currently understand it these were addicts who found the thing they were addicted to. MMO addicts and people who spend a ton of money on free to play games are a very small minority, just like people who can't control their drinking or gambling. Some people would be addicted to holodecks for sure, but not everyone or even most people. Did you never see the episode of Futurama where they warned us about Marilyn Monrobots? https://vimeo.com/12915013
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Cojawfee posted:In order to use the holodeck, you either need to keep your job or rent it out to people. You still have to go buy food. It's really tough between holodeck and replicator. Is there any catch to the replicator? Or is the power source powerful enough to create matter from energy? You still would sure as hell need a job if you had a replicator (even if it was just selling things you replicated.) You would still need to pay to live somewhere. You would still have utilities. You would still have medical costs. Replicator would be nice for food, but food isn't exactly a huge part of my budget. Neither are clothes or other tangible items. Mortgage and utilities make up the lions share. You can't just bow out of the economy because you can replicate the perfect lasagna or pair of pants. Holodeck opens up so many doors. There's the entertainment aspects of it of course, but there's a bunch of things you could do besides that. There are a whole host of occupations out there that need hands on experience that's nearly impossible to come by unless you are rich already. Want to train to become a race car driver? You could do that poo poo ever evening until exhaustion because it would cost you nothing in resources. Pilot? You can learn on something that destroys any other type of simulator. Want to learn 10 languages? You have your own holographic private tutor. Need to fix your car? You have a full garage of state of the art tools (as well as tools that couldn't possibly exist in the real world.) There are just so many possibilities with the Holodeck.
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Cat Hatter posted:How many holodecks are floating around in this scenario? "Computer, create the blueprints for a replicator built out of common earth elements along with a cheap long-lasting power source"
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bull3964 posted:You still would sure as hell need a job if you had a replicator (even if it was just selling things you replicated.) As far as the replicator supporting you forever on its own, I assume that you could replicate enough gold to live on and as long as you didn't go crazy you wouldn't collapse the market or anything like that. Or failing that, I'm sure you could work out some way to sell the products of your replicator. Taxes might be a hassle, and it wouldn't allow you to totally dip out of the economy since you still have to sell stuff, but I think someone with the only replicator in the world could support themselves and live comfortably off of it with little work, provided nobody steals it. Pakled fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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The replicator doesn't make matter out of nothing, if you want gold, then by god you'd better have elemental gold in your replicator's goop supplies. The Federation isn't post-scarcity, they're just absurdly efficient at recycling. When they're done with something, they don't throw it in a landfill and bulldoze over it, they dematerialize the poo poo into the replicator goop supplies for future use.
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Pakled posted:As far as the replicator supporting you forever on its own, I assume that you could replicate enough gold to live on and as long as you didn't go crazy you wouldn't collapse the market or anything like that. Or failing that, I'm sure you could work out some way to sell the products of your replicator. Taxes might be a hassle, and it wouldn't allow you to totally dip out of the economy since you still have to sell stuff, but I think someone with the only replicator in the world could support themselves and live comfortably off of it with little work, provided nobody steals it. What can you buy with gold that you couldn't simulate with a Holodeck?
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Lowen SoDium posted:What can you buy with gold that you couldn't simulate with a Holodeck? Bitcoin.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Bitcoin. Not true! I bet I could simulate any manner of masochism.
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Holodeck can replicate a Bitcoin, but not the paranoia and delusion required to own one.
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The only thing I keep thinking is how, though it's the least broadly useful thing in the list, having to deal with dallas traffic every day gives the transporter a certain attraction to me.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Holodecks would lead to the downfall of civilization, because if you had a holodeck and a replicator, you wouldn't do anything else. You know those people who do nothing but play MMOs all day? Give them a holodeck and see what happens.
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The transporter could give you gold easily, you could even just mine it straight out of the ground. You wouldn't need to pay to live anywhere if you could just beam yourself into empty houses, and you could use it to go to most of the places for real a holodeck could only simulate, from swimming on a deserted beach to visiting the moon.
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I was mostly just making an allusion to to Futurama, holodecks won't literally cause the downfall of civilization. That said, give me a holodeck.
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The transporter is also the cure for any disease, since you can just use the information from your last non-infected transport, and the cure for aging since you can apparently program it to reconstruct you as any age you want. You could make a fortune charging people for those two features alone. Just make them sign a waiver that you're not liable if it splits them into good and evil versions of themselves or accidentally sends them to the Mirror Lesbian Universe. Hmm, now I'm not sure replicator is the right choice after all.
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Drone posted:I wonder if you could tell the replicator that you want to have something incredibly unhealthy, but with the nutritional properties of something else? Like, can it replicate me a piece of cake with the nutritional properties of a salad? I don't know if it could go quite that far, but I would imagine that replicators would make left-handed sugar pretty trivial to accomplish. Big Mean Jerk posted:I don't care what anyone says, the transporter always kills you. It literally takes you apart atom by atom, turns you (and whoever else is on the pad) into goop, and reuses said goop to make a copy of you at the destination. You die. Also everyone in Star Trek is literally insane because FTL is physically impossible 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Also everyone in Star Trek is literally insane because FTL is physically impossible For that matter, what the hell are these guys trying to pull, pretending they aren't humans? They are all clearly humans wearing funny makeup. Pan out to a snow globe containing a starship clutched in the hands of Bill Shatner in a mental hospital, currently in the process of closing due to Reagan; after the credits roll, his frozen body lays in the gutter, hand crooked into the 'live long and prosper' salute. In the background, Ben Sisko is shot by a policeman. the policeman is Q
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apophenium posted:gently caress my desire to watch Enterprise just dropped to zero Enterprise is a lot better than Voyager, it just never reached the heights of DS9 or the iconic status of TOS and TNG where you can easily take the good with the bij. In standard Trek tradition the first 2 seasons are rough and drop some pretty big stinkers, but there are some good episodes in there too. Season 3 goes into a season-long story arc and largely succeeds where Voyager failed with the "one ship far from home" thing. Season 4 starts off by going balls to the wall with crazy Trek stuff, then into a few multi episode story arcs, and has a pretty satisfying ending and then another episode after that which is universally panned. It sucks Ent only got 4 seasons while we got a full 7 of Voyager.
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armoredgorilla posted:The replicator doesn't make matter out of nothing, if you want gold, then by god you'd better have elemental gold in your replicator's goop supplies. The Federation isn't post-scarcity, they're just absurdly efficient at recycling. When they're done with something, they don't throw it in a landfill and bulldoze over it, they dematerialize the poo poo into the replicator goop supplies for future use. Throw in some charcoal, "computer make a precise diamond sphere one foot in diameter", buy the planet. e; also I am pretty sure you are wrong and they can transmute matter, otherwise there is no reason latinum has value but gold does not. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Mister Adequate posted:Throw in some charcoal, "computer make a precise diamond sphere one foot in diameter", buy the planet. Also, a diamond that size would be a useless artificial novelty and would get de Beers attempting to kill you. Use that carbon to make carbon nanotubes.
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Nessus posted:Gold is trivially available from asteroids with the technology from even Enterprise. I mean there'd be some work but it's not uniquely precious. It'd be like in Star Control II, probably. I imagine with Trek tech wizardry it would be pretty easy to do some sort of directed decay of a heavier nuclide, lead into gold for example. Synthesizing fatty atoms like that from H or He or whatever would require comical amounts of energy and intense neutron radiation, in nature that's a process that occurs in dying/exploding stars.
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Pellisworth posted:I imagine with Trek tech wizardry it would be pretty easy to do some sort of directed decay of a heavier nuclide, lead into gold for example. Synthesizing fatty atoms like that from H or He or whatever would require comical amounts of energy and intense neutron radiation, in nature that's a process that occurs in dying/exploding stars.
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Nessus posted:They got big ol' solar factories orbiting around stars which pump out antimatter for gassing up Starfleet. I imagine they could handle nucleosynthesis, but it might be cheaper to just phaser open some asteroids. Oh yeah, I'm sure it's "doable," just probably a hell of a lot more efficient to mine it. This topic made me pull out my astrochemistry notes, I'd forgotten how cool nucleosynthesis is. Anything heavier than iron was created by a dying star/supernova 
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Which means our solar system is the ruins of at least one previous exploded star. Which is kind of mind-boggling. What was here before this? Was there life?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Which means our solar system is the ruins of at least one previous exploded star. Which is kind of mind-boggling. What was here before this? Was there life? Yep, the "we are all star dust" line is quite literally true. The universe is ~14 billion years old, the solar system 4.6, so there were probably several generations of stars that blew up and contributed to the dust cloud that would eventually form the current Solar System. It's pretty loving 
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In the one where Reed gets pinned to the hull, why did they not even suggest beaming him out? Even if they dismissed it because the transporter is buggy, they should have at least mentioned it.
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Mister Adequate posted:e; also I am pretty sure you are wrong and they can transmute matter, otherwise there is no reason latinum has value but gold does not. I thought it was specifically stated that gold can be replicated, which is why Ferengi considered it worthless, and that's why latinum became the standard material of wealth (since it can't be replicated).
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Sash! posted:In the one where Reed gets pinned to the hull, why did they not even suggest beaming him out? Even if they dismissed it because the transporter is buggy, they should have at least mentioned it. Given the level of medicine they should have, the should have been able to just amputate his leg/arm whatever and then fix it later. But medicine in Trek, with the exception of when it's a medical episode, is always hilariously backwards.
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Sash! posted:In the one where Reed gets pinned to the hull, why did they not even suggest beaming him out? Even if they dismissed it because the transporter is buggy, they should have at least mentioned it. Their pattern-matching wasn't good enough to sort out what's Reed and what's hull at that point, presumably.
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As I recall, damaging the mine's struts would have set it off, so they probably couldn't have removed Reed via transporter without detonating the thing.
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Kesper North posted:Their pattern-matching wasn't good enough to sort out what's Reed and what's hull at that point, presumably. Or what's Reed and what's part of the mine stuck in his leg, so maybe trying to beam him out might trip the detonator. I can't really remember. e: f;b
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