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Amergin posted:Cop is being charged with murder. I don't see anything wrong with this picture - the justice system is working as designed. If there weren't a third party recording the events the cop's statement would have been taken at face value. The system is not supposed to work by the chance presence of a cameraman.
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People commit crimes every day and get away with it. This time it happens to be a bad cop, and there's evidence of the crime, so he's being tried and will likely be punished accordingly. Some folks are trying to tie this in with Michael Brown and other kids who've been killed recently but I don't see the connection other than "black person died." Hell the cop's partner was black and signed off on the cop's behavior when this cop faced previous accusations (which he was exonerated of).
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Apr 8, 2015 15:14
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Stultus Maximus posted:If there weren't a third party recording the events the cop's statement would have been taken at face value. The system is not supposed to work by the chance presence of a cameraman. Especially when there are current laws that actually make it a crime to video tape cops.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:15
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Amergin posted:Some folks are trying to tie this in with Michael Brown and other kids who've been killed recently but I don't see the connection other than "black person died." Hell the cop's partner was black and signed off on the cop's behavior when this cop faced previous accusations (which he was exonerated of). There were similarities of the public having to take the word of the police that Michael Brown and others had gone for their gun/made some aggressive action toward the cop. The police report for the shooting broke down exactly as you'd imagine. If there was no video, it would have been deemed a "good kill" most likely because the only people's word we have to go on is the people that need to justify the killing.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:18
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Hollismason posted:Especially when there are current laws that actually make it a crime to video tape cops. Is this actually in the books for any other state than IL?
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Apr 8, 2015 15:18
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning, “It would be something more along the lines of what President Clinton did in December 1998 during Operation Desert Fox. Several days air and naval bombing against Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction facilities for exactly the same kind of behavior. For interfering with weapons inspectors and for disobeying Security Council resolutions. All we’re asking is that the president simply be as tough as in the protection of America’s national security interest as Bill Clinton was.” ~ Tom Cotton For a man that was a commissioned officer in the Army, he has no idea how the military works.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:20
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Sir Tonk posted:For a man that was a commissioned officer in the Army
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Apr 8, 2015 15:23
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Stultus Maximus posted:If there weren't a third party recording the events the cop's statement would have been taken at face value. The system is not supposed to work by the chance presence of a cameraman. Here is how it was reported before the video came out http://www.abcnews4.com/story/28725562/coroner-identifies-man-shot-killed-by-north-charleston-police-officer Or here is from the same paper before and after the video was released Before: http://www.postandcourier.com/artic...d-investigating After: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468 In the bigger picture, for charges to be brought this quickly suggests that the non-public information about this is incriminating, rather than exculpatory. And they would have buried it if not for the video The North Charleston police department received a heap of money for body cams in January btw
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Apr 8, 2015 15:24
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nutranurse posted:Is this actually in the books for any other state than IL? Well by on the books, if you mean city ordinances, then yes. It's not a uncommon City Ordinance. Now for a state by state, I'd have to go look into research but I know these types of laws are becoming more common.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:27
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Fried Chicken posted:Here is how it was reported before the video came out quote:Police and witnesses say Scott tried to run from Slager before turning to fight for the officer's Taser. It was during that scuffle that the officer fired his service weapon, fatally wounding Scott. who exactly were these loving witnesses
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Apr 8, 2015 15:27
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Fried Chicken posted:Here is how it was reported before the video came out Of course it was near Remount, hopefully the nearby mall and chain restaurants to the north will be burned to the ground in the coming riots. Edit: Hopefully they start with Olive Garden.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:28
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baw posted:who exactly were these loving witnesses George Zimmerman was taking a break from domestic violence.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:32
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Amergin posted:so he's being tried and will likely be punished accordingly. I do not consider this to be in any way a guarantee, and after watching cops get acquitted for strangling a man to death on camera last year, I'm not even sure if I'd consider such an outcome as "likely."
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Apr 8, 2015 15:33
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Fried Chicken posted:Here is how it was reported before the video came out Lots of the typical types of people in the comments of that first article talking about how clearly it's unfortunate but this sort of thing happens when you try and resist arrest or run from police.
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Apr 8, 2015 15:37
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Sir Tonk posted:For a man that was a commissioned officer in the Army, he has no idea how the military works. The officer corps is hosed. I think most GiPs would agree with this statement.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:01
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Amergin posted:People commit crimes every day and get away with it. This time it happens to be a bad cop, and there's evidence of the crime, so he's being tried and will likely be punished accordingly. The connection is that police are institutionally encouraged to murder their way out of any situation because they will always receive the benefit of the doubt. Just read the news reports before/after video. Common civilians committing crimes may get away with it but there is no institutional support behind them.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:23
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Another part of the connection is that there are tons of Fox News watchers who think that because the DOJ report on Mike Brown knocked down the "fleeing with hands up" thing, this type of event doesn't happen at all. They are now confronted with hard evidence. Not that it will change their minds, necessarily . . .
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Apr 8, 2015 16:27
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TheQat posted:Another part of the connection is that there are tons of Fox News watchers who think that because the DOJ report on Mike Brown knocked down the "fleeing with hands up" thing, this type of event doesn't happen at all. They are now confronted with hard evidence. They focus on the Mike Brown report and completely ignore the Ferguson PD one.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:35
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hobbesmaster posted:Doesn't help that the typical democratic response to Jack Conway is "ugh". At least he's not Lunsford. Governor Jim Gray would be troublesome but I would back the hell out of him if he wanted to run for Senate
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Apr 8, 2015 16:40
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JT Jag posted:You can pretend to do that without actually enacting any laws. Come on, give me facts, numbers, figures that politicians could use to sell welfare programs in ads. Still catching up with the thread, but there's actually a lot of data on this. quote:Just one dollar of SNAP/Food Stamp benefits creates a “ripple effect” through the economy. A study by industry research firm Moody’s Economy.com looked at the potential impact of each stimulus dollar. According to economist Mark Zandi, “some provide a lot of bang for the buck to the economy. Others … don’t.” Zandi said that the study shows the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the SNAP/Food Stamp program. “If someone who is literally living paycheck to paycheck gets an extra dollar, it’s very likely that they will spend that dollar immediately on whatever they need – groceries, to pay the telephone bill, to pay the electric bill,” he said. That single dollar helps to pay the salaries of the grocery clerks, pays the truckers who haul the food and produce cross-country, and finally goes to the farmer who grows the crops. http://frac.org/initiatives/american-recovery-and-reinvestment-act/snapfood-stamps-provide-real-stimulus/
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Apr 8, 2015 17:10
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Shageletic posted:Still catching up with the thread, but there's actually a lot of data on this. Thing is, it doesn't matter how much in economic activity it generates. Thats such an aughties way of thinking. Is it revenue neutral?
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Apr 8, 2015 17:20
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baw posted:who exactly were these loving witnesses
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Apr 8, 2015 17:23
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My Imaginary GF posted:Thing is, it doesn't matter how much in economic activity it generates. Thats such an aughties way of thinking. Is it revenue neutral? If we raise taxes to 50%, yes! If we raise them to 51%, it's revenue positive. 
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Apr 8, 2015 17:23
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GlyphGryph posted:If we raise taxes to 50%, yes! If we raise them to 51%, it's revenue positive. Solution: Implement consumption taxes upon food purchases, cut income taxes. Now you're thinking like someone held accountable to the voters.
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Apr 8, 2015 17:24
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My Imaginary GF posted:Thing is, it doesn't matter how much in economic activity it generates. Thats such an aughties way of thinking. Is it revenue neutral?
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Apr 8, 2015 17:26
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And revenue needs to be defined as well. What's the time constraint? GAO rules? Are we using a primary budget system, or a structural one? Is this a deficit or debt issue? Also, revenue is directly linked to GDP.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Now you're thinking like someone held accountable to the
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Apr 8, 2015 17:30
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Yes, those are the voters. Look at nonwhite turnout throughout America. Its like folks don't even want to prevent cuts in foodstamps.
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Apr 8, 2015 17:32
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Ballz posted:I do not consider this to be in any way a guarantee, and after watching cops get acquitted for strangling a man to death on camera last year, I'm not even sure if I'd consider such an outcome as "likely." Personally, I hope this officer takes a plea instead of forcing a trial because it is in fact very possible that a jury in South Carolina could find him not guilty and give him a big hug after the trial for shooting a fleeing suspect with outstanding warrants.
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Apr 8, 2015 17:35
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I'm still waiting on you to define your terms, Imaginary GF.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Thing is, it doesn't matter how much in economic activity it generates. Thats such an aughties way of thinking. Is it revenue neutral? Why is this not probatable?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Yes, those are the voters. 
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You realize the VAT he is proposing is how it's done in the rest of the western world, right?
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Apr 8, 2015 17:48
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FlamingLiberal posted:Other cops who weren't there but reporters will interview off the record So they won't be identified or charged with anything?
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I'm looking for highlights of horrible things republican state legislatures have done with their majorities recently. I'm thinking of thr abortion ban and the petty ebt restrictions mentioned in the last few pages. Anyone help me out?
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Ron Jeremy posted:I'm looking for highlights of horrible things republican state legislatures have done with their majorities recently. I'm thinking of thr abortion ban and the petty ebt restrictions mentioned in the last few pages. Anyone help me out? Pretty much anything in NC from the last few years is a good place to start.
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Apr 8, 2015 17:50
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Amergin posted:People commit crimes every day and get away with it. This time it happens to be a bad cop, and there's evidence of the crime, so he's being tried and will likely be punished accordingly. I have to say I sometimes wish I had your confidince in the justice system Amergin.
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Just throwing things out there but Reasons that Cop won't go to jail because: 1. He will say he had PTSD , he'll get a psychiatrist to state that much like a soldier in a battle he was in a tense situation that trigged his PTSD which made him believe the fleeing suspect was going to endanger others. 2. He will say that the suspect told him before running away that he was " Running away to rape and murder some white kids" Hollismason fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Perhaps they're too busy working while living in states where they're actively trying to suppress minority voting Doesn't matter, voting is a binary thing, not a wishy washy do they don't they maybe they're too busy kinda thing. Turnout is down, so why pass legislation which benefits individuals who don't vote?
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Fried Chicken posted:You realize the VAT he is proposing is how it's done in the rest of the western world, right? You realize the VAT as implemented in most of the western world is horribly regressive?
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