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PerpetualSelf posted:Context. Historical and archeological analysis. There is absolutely no historical or archeological evidence that supports there being a man who literally rose a zombie army after he returned from the dead. The only archeological "analysis" you can do is get an idea of if the places mentioned in the bible were real, but that no more proves there was a divine Christ than the existence of New York proves there is a Spider-Man. PerpetualSelf posted:Naw but he was right about dem kikes tho. Whelp, nevermind then.
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Who What Now posted:There is absolutely no historical or archeological evidence that supports there being a man who literally rose a zombie army after he returned from the dead. The only archeological "analysis" you can do is get an idea of if the places mentioned in the bible were real, but that no more proves there was a divine Christ than the existence of New York proves there is a Spider-Man. That's the fun part! They argue its a matter of faith, and then appeal to physical evidence to try to support their reasoning for having faith. 
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It's kind of funny how Christians admit that Satan has power over the earth, but insist it's only because God allows him to have that power. How exactly would we know that? Where is the evidence of God having any power? Maybe Satan has all the power and just lets God lie and say he has any power at all.PerpetualSelf posted:Naw but he was right about dem kikes tho. 
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Apr 8, 2015 13:55
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Are all self-professed christians ITT unsubtle trolls, or are these people serious?
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Are all self-professed christians ITT unsubtle trolls, or are these people serious? Most of the regularly posting atheists and the sole regularly posting Christians are morons and a troll, respectively. It's just that they're the only people who generate any heat - when the more reasonable atheists and god-botherers post it's just a bunch of reasonable people splitting their differences and largely agreeing. Which if you wanted, you'd just go to maybe the A/T Liturgical Christianity thread or something. There are high quality Christian posters in DnD like Sinnlos though.
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Disinterested posted:Most of the regularly posting atheists and the sole regularly posting Christians are morons and a troll, respectively. It's just that they're the only people who generate any heat - when the more reasonable atheists and god-botherers post it's just a bunch of reasonable people splitting their differences and largely agreeing. Which if you wanted, you'd just go to maybe the A/T Liturgical Christianity thread or something. Thank you. The Liturgical Christianity thread is indeed a good place to get good answers regarding theology, doctrine and apologetics. I would also be happy to answer questions directed at me itt, though my responses may be delayed until I get home.
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Sinnlos posted:Thank you. The Liturgical Christianity thread is indeed a good place to get good answers regarding theology, doctrine and apologetics. I asked Kyrie this but I'm curious about an answer that doesn't come from pomposity- does Catholic doctrine about damnation consider anything other than the specific desire and decision to reject salvation as sufficient to ensure damnation?
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Are all self-professed christians ITT unsubtle trolls, or are these people serious? Yes?
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Disinterested posted:Most of the regularly posting atheists and the sole regularly posting Christians are morons and a troll, respectively. Sooooo... What does that make you?
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Who What Now posted:Sooooo... What does that make you? I feel as if you already have an opinion.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:49
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Who What Now posted:Sooooo... What does that make you? The troll goes deep.
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Apr 8, 2015 18:03
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Effectronica posted:I asked Kyrie this but I'm curious about an answer that doesn't come from pomposity- does Catholic doctrine about damnation consider anything other than the specific desire and decision to reject salvation as sufficient to ensure damnation? I promise to have a more in-depth response later, but current Catholic doctrine is predicated on a piece of Vatican II legislation that leaves some ambiguity based upon the wording. Essentially, it says that if someone a. seeks God/Jesus and b. behaves in a Christ-like manner, they are good. Keep in mind that this is a lot of paraphrasing. I will dig up the relevant text when I get home, and will try and give an overview of the current dominant interpretations.
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Apr 8, 2015 18:14
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Good pre-amble to the Sinnlos post would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_Christian
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Sinnlos posted:Thank you. The Liturgical Christianity thread is indeed a good place to get good answers regarding theology, doctrine and apologetics. Also, are you speaking primarily from a Catholic, Orthodox or other perspective? (do the Anglicans count as the English Orthodox Church)
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Disinterested posted:I feel as if you already have an opinion. Should I? Am I... supposed to know who you are?
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Kyrie eleison posted:Evidence is for suckers Best stop using the internet then, considering the depth to which evidence was used to create the scientific theories exploited by it and computing in general.
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Disinterested posted:Good pre-amble to the Sinnlos post would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_Christian Thank you. Anonymous Christianity, in a modified form, it currently the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, though Lumen gentium possibly overrides some of it. Nessus posted:Since it's Passover season I'll ask a question relevant to our Jewish brothers: Is Kyrie's rap about how Jews are all following an obstinate fake religion based on any actual teaching or theology, or is that just rank anti-Semitism? (Naturally, I would expect Christians to feel Jews are "getting it wrong" - but there's a difference between "following the old, outdated but at-one-time best system" and "perfidious Christ-killers") Currently the Catholic Church pursues an ecumenical stance towards Judaism. Currently they are considered "the first to hear the word of God" though they reject the coming of the Messiah. There are still ongoing issues involving Church involvement in WWII, as well as Israeli treatment of Arab christians in communication with Rome. Prior to 1969 though, the Good Friday liturgy, probably the most important liturgy of the faith, made sure to mention the perfidious Jews. The language has since been changed, absolving the Jews of guilt, many traditionalists still harbor some rather troubling opinions. I am a Novus Ordo, liberation theology Roman Catholic. I have far too much experience with Traditionalist Catholics though. Anglicans/Episcopalians are pretty much Catholic with regard to doctrine and theology. Close enough at least that Catholics are allowed to receive communion in Episcopalian churches.
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Traditional Catholics are loving awful and I feel confident saying that because I grew up in that movement. I'm currently some hosed up Atheist Catholic with a bunch of other poo poo I've stolen from other spiritual practices and have cobbled together with intellectual duct tape. It's fun. And yeah the current church view on the Jews, in need terms, is that the Church is OSX and Judaism is NeXT OS
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Steve Jobs is Jesus, Tim Cook is Peter etc
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If you're all ecumenical and liberal and just want to get along with everybody and find "the common religious experience" and how "we all connect to the great divine mystery" or whatever then obviously you're going to look at Satanists and say "they are just doing what they believe, maybe I can learn from them" and maybe take part in a Black Mass or two just to expand your horizons and learn about the full breadth of human experience, but if you prefer to stick with one particular religious tradition for whatever reason then you are going to have to realize it is at odds with all other belief systems and you might as well embrace it and poke fun at them the way one does a respected rival. Or you can get your fee-fees hurt whenever anyone mentions Hell or something, that works too
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That's not a bad idea in theory. It would cool if religions could have amicable rivalries but it's a VERY SERIOUS ISSUE so instead it's all about "Oooh respect and revere respect and revere" On the other hand LaVeyan Satanism is even stupider as a religion than Scientology. I do think it's funny how Xians get all uptight about them instead of realizing it's the literal gently caress You Dad religion
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Also there is only one thing that matters and it is J.R. "Bob" Dobbs send $35 With religion, like with most things, you get what you pay for.
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Counterpoint: Scientology.
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Robotnik Nudes posted:That's not a bad idea in theory. It would cool if religions could have amicable rivalries but it's a VERY SERIOUS ISSUE so instead it's all about "Oooh respect and revere respect and revere" Yeah I can tell just how much everyone treats Christianity with constant respect and admiration and doesn't want to offend anyone especially on these Something Awful forums or on reddit or in all of popular culture. Gimme a loving break. Christianity is right and all other religions are wrong, the Jews and Muslims are wrong and the Hindus and Buddhists and atheists are wrong, also non-Catholic denominations are wrong and also anyone who claims to be a Catholic but actually believes bogus nonsense like liberation theology is wrong. Cheers m8s
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Series DD Funding posted:Counterpoint: Scientology. You get what you pay for but just because you paid for it, doesn't mean you get it. Kyrie eleison posted:Yeah I can tell just how much everyone treats Christianity with constant respect and admiration and doesn't want to offend anyone especially on these Something Awful forums or on reddit or in all of popular culture. Gimme a loving break. I'm not sure I've heard "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" argued so sincerely before.
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Series DD Funding posted:Counterpoint: Scientology. Scientology is a pure and beautiful expression of American Spirituality. A corporate religion with offices instead of temples and suits instead of robes. It's a capitalist religion for capitalists, and they even have their own Guantanamo.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Christianity is right and all other religions are wrong, the Jews and Muslims are wrong and the Hindus and Buddhists and atheists are wrong, also non-Catholic denominations are wrong and also anyone who claims to be a Catholic but actually believes bogus nonsense like liberation theology is wrong. Cheers m8s If Kyrie weren't an obvious troll I would point out that one of the main requirements of his faith is that he doesn't get to decide any of these things and that the present pope is actually a big fan of liberation theology. OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure I've heard "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" argued so sincerely before. That papal infallibility thing is pretty OP.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yeah I can tell just how much everyone treats Christianity with constant respect and admiration and doesn't want to offend anyone especially on these Something Awful forums or on reddit or in all of popular culture. Gimme a loving break. W/r/t liberation theology you can make an argument about orthopraxis vs. orthodoxy but lol if you don't think Christ's word compels us to oppose systemic injustice.
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Disinterested posted:If Kyrie weren't an obvious troll I would point out that one of the main requirements of his faith is that he doesn't get to decide any of these things and that the present pope is actually a big fan of liberation theology. Papal Infallibility only works when speaking ex cathedra, which has a huge casting cost and applies an unrest malus unless you get the timing right.
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Sinnlos posted:Papal Infallibility only works when speaking ex cathedra, which has a huge casting cost and applies an unrest malus unless you get the timing right. This. It's amazing how many people don't realize how rarely papal infallibility is exercises. It's largely a bully pulpit (literally pulpit) position, though it's generally accepted that when the pope says stuff even without infallibility in effect it's worth a listen because he's still basically Christ's press secretary.
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Sinnlos posted:Papal Infallibility only works when speaking ex cathedra, which has a huge casting cost and applies an unrest malus unless you get the timing right.  But if you do... Robotnik Nudes posted:This. It's amazing how many people don't realize how rarely papal infallibility is exercises. It's largely a bully pulpit (literally pulpit) position, though it's generally accepted that when the pope says stuff even without infallibility in effect it's worth a listen because he's still basically Christ's press secretary. More like 'acting vice president'.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Christianity is right and all other religions are wrong, the Jews and Muslims are wrong and the Hindus and Buddhists and atheists are wrong, also non-Catholic denominations are wrong and also anyone who claims to be a Catholic but actually believes bogus nonsense like liberation theology is wrong. Cheers m8s  Whatever you are smoking, it must be damned good.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yeah I can tell just how much everyone treats Christianity with constant respect and admiration and doesn't want to offend anyone especially on these Something Awful forums or on reddit or in all of popular culture. Gimme a loving break quote:Christianity is right and all other religions are wrong, the Jews and Muslims are wrong and the Hindus and Buddhists and atheists are wrong, also non-Catholic denominations are wrong and also anyone who claims to be a Catholic but actually believes bogus nonsense like liberation theology is wrong. Cheers m8s
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There is only one thin that matters and it is Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law
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Nessus posted:It must be hard for you, being the dominant majority in your country. It must be especially hard when the minority manages to pull things off lately. Any advances by the devil will be rolled back in due course, so enjoy it while it lasts. The swinging pendulum is going to be a bitch.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Any advances by the devil will be rolled back in due course, so enjoy it while it lasts. The swinging pendulum is going to be a bitch. Laffo Laffo Laffo
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St. Eleison's Epistle to the Goons is the best part of the Apocrypha imo.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Christianity is right and all other religions are wrong... Can you prove this in a way that would convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you? Because "I'm right because I say I'm right!" is a claim that can be made by anyone, about anything, and it proves nothing.
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