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A Winner is Jew posted:gently caress it, competitive shooting should be a possible sport for all HS students in the nation to participate in. Target, trap, long range, pistol, and for those in with snow biathlon in the winter months. I shot rifle competitively in high school. It was dope as hell. We had a range and an armory in the rotc area.
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JT Jag posted:Also all of the guns you get after passing the test at 17 are ID-locked. Because it's your gun and no one else's. No, there's one gun and everyone gets it for a day.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I strongly agree with this. Of course while I'm wishing and hoping I want a course that would teach people the theories of human rights, the standard of human rights, how declarations of rights are interpreted, the limits of rights, resolving conflicts of rights, what are war crimes and what are crimes against humanity. It probably won't cut down on people being lovely to each other but at least then we won't have to hear "bwah gawd dats ma right!" while they are being lovely. See also: Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be
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greatn posted:No, there's one gun and everyone gets it for a day. Lord Stanley's Remington?
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a shameful boehner posted:Someone last month said that this is eventually going to result in all sorts of fun phrases like "atmospheric weirdening" when they can't use the words "climate change" anymore. I know I'm pulling a Godwin here, but in Brecht's series of short plays "Fear and Misery of the Third Reich" there is a piece called 'The Physicists' wherein two german physicists discuss how difficult it now is to solve anything because all findings and theorems made by Jews are now categorically banned by the Nazi Party. You can imagine why this would be an issue when you suddenly can't use anything by Einstein as a scientist, especially in the 30's. This was written almost 80 years ago.
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Fried Chicken posted:yep. Maybe bring it back as "Home Ec" or something but there really needs to be a class on basic life skills, like firearm safety, how taxes work and how to pay them, credit, budgeting and investing, first aid, how to fight a fire, basic nutrition and health, and the like. Maybe shove drivers Ed and sex Ed under that umbrella as well, and the stuff from science class about "what wire does what and which ones not to touch", "this is how plumbing works, this is how you do simple repairs", and "this is how an engine works, this is how you do simple repairs". Yes this is stuff that parents are supposed to teach, and extracurricular a like scouting cover, but clearly that isn't getting to large swaths of the population.
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chitoryu12 posted:*coughRemingtonR51cough* Went back into production in January
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But wait a minute. If there's one gun, how is anyone supposed to stop the guy with it if he's a bad guy? 
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a shameful boehner posted:Someone last month said that this is eventually going to result in all sorts of fun phrases like "atmospheric weirdening" when they can't use the words "climate change" anymore. Ron Jeremy posted:I shot rifle competitively in high school. It was dope as hell. We had a range and an armory in the rotc area. Plus it was admittedly really niche. No one ever came out for it. Fried Chicken posted:yep. Maybe bring it back as "Home Ec" or something but there really needs to be a class on basic life skills, like firearm safety, how taxes work and how to pay them, credit, budgeting and investing, first aid, how to fight a fire, basic nutrition and health, and the like. Maybe shove drivers Ed and sex Ed under that umbrella as well, and the stuff from science class about "what wire does what and which ones not to touch", "this is how plumbing works, this is how you do simple repairs", and "this is how an engine works, this is how you do simple repairs". Yes this is stuff that parents are supposed to teach, and extracurricular a like scouting cover, but clearly that isn't getting to large swaths of the population. As to the second part, that was put off to a senior/grad level course at my uni offered only once...ever. site fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:But wait a minute. If there's one gun, how is anyone supposed to stop the guy with it if he's a bad guy? This can't possibly go wrong
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/for-some-wisconsin-state-workers-climate-change-isn-t-something-you-can-talk-about Don't Ask, Don't Tell. That worked before and now we don't have any more gays. 
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Luigi Thirty posted:But wait a minute. If there's one gun, how is anyone supposed to stop the guy with it if he's a bad guy? There also just one bullet.
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JT Jag posted:Life Survival Class should be a central part of a high school's curriculum and there should be Freshman, Sophomore, Junior and Senior level classes, each one a required pass to graduate. Which course gets cut?
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JT Jag posted:Life Survival Class should be a central part of a high school's curriculum and there should be Freshman, Sophomore, Junior and Senior level classes, each one a required pass to graduate. You are probably taking the piss but I'm serious. Like the general stuff from scouting or the non-military training classes from boot camp covered this kind of stuff, so it can be cut down to teach in a small classroom in a few weeks, stick it in generalize public education. How many people electrocute themselves a year because they don't know what they are doing? How many fires could easily be put out if people knew the different types and how to handle them? Or just the basic rules of finance and budgeting so people don't get scammed? Like this stuff apparently used to be what Home Ec was based around before it got swamped by other things and then cut from the curriculum. Bring it back. There is certain stuff you need to know as an adult. Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut? If I'm wishing and pissing here, school year and school day need to be longer anyways, so time from there. If that won't fly, study hall. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut?
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Bikeqhatevwr. Who needs a bike when you've got a truck, anyway?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut? Art duh. I use my gun everyday to make myself feel manly I never use any art.
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Cut the freshman course cuz they won't care anyways. At least sophomores will show for the driver's ed.
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Fried Chicken posted:That has been the position of the left since there was a left. Don't confuse "modern Democratic Party of the United States" with "the left" I think you're only talking about one particular branch of what we now today call the left. Viewing guns through the technocratic progressivism from the early 20th Century, I think you would find a different answer. Guns aren't some holy ideal, but activity that can and should be regulated for the greater public interest. I loathe guns. The very sight of them I find sickening. But even I would be alright with a compromise allowing for the ownership of handguns and rifles, as long as there are attendant policies meant to emphasis safety for gun owners and people around gun owners, background checks, ballistic IDing, gun storage laws and the like. Like any other significant activity. Oh, and the ability for localities and municipalites to create those regulations, something virtually done away with due to NRA lobbying.
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JT Jag posted:All of the hard sciences become elective beyond a mandatory Freshman general knowledge course My high school only required 3 years of math and 3 years of science, which is insane, but the 4th year versions of both were poo poo anyways so 
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut? Math classes that dont allow calculators.
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Barudak posted:Math classes that dont allow calculators. I too use survival skills more often I do math in my head.
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site posted:Cut the freshman course cuz they won't care anyways. At least sophomores will show for the driver's ed. Basically my idea of high school is to college-ify it. Make more courses elective, make it so that you have to finish a specific 'degree path' within four years so that you have an in-depth knowledge of some specific subject rather than a mediocre knowledge of several.
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JT Jag posted:Life Survival Class should be a central part of a high school's curriculum and there should be Freshman, Sophomore, Junior and Senior level classes, each one a required pass to graduate. And if we did this we could get ride of the bullshit economics (which teaches nothing) and government (which is just another US history class) classes you typical take senior year. 8 total semesters with each covering fist aid and sex ed, nutrition, car repair and drivers ED, personal finance, home repair with the basics of a mortgage & rental agreement, firearm safety and qualification also you get registered for selective service in class, US constitution rights and voting, and finally human rights and war crimes. e: No classes get cut and the school day for high school gets extended by 1 class. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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A Winner is Jew posted:And if we did this we could get ride of the bullshit economics (which teaches nothing) and government (which is just another US history class) classes you typical take senior year. 8 total semesters with each covering fist aid and sex ed, nutrition, car repair and drivers ED, personal finance, home repair with the basics of a mortgage & rental agreement, firearm safety and qualification also you get registered for selective service in class, US constitution rights and voting, and finally human rights and war crimes. Yes I'm sure if Americans had fewer opportunities to learn about the political process, that would go well for the nation. But make sure they know how to file the forms to put themselves in massive debt!
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut? History, which is now being taught by the gun instructor alongside gun stuff (no regulations on what history they teach of course).
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A Winner is Jew posted:human rights and war crimes.
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Trabisnikof posted:Yes I'm sure if Americans had fewer opportunities to learn about the political process, that would go well for the nation. But make sure they know how to file the forms to put themselves in massive debt! Just make them pass the civics test immigrants have to pass.
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Government class is vital as long as we allow any random citizen to vote once they turn 18 regardless of their education and with no need to pass a knowledge exam to vote. However, I can attest that my own school's economics class was practically worthless. It focused more on teaching the theories of economics and the stock market more than teaching the soon-to-be adults how to handle their finances. I came out of that class knowing the difference between bull and bear but not knowing how to open a bank account or what a mortgage was, and no idea how to file taxes.
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site posted:Even though I agree with the sentiment lmao at this being a required high school course. Think of it as training for future marines. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:e: No classes get cut and the school day for high school gets extended by 1 class.
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JT Jag posted:Shrink Summer Break down to two weeks, extend semesters, keep the length of the school day short. Nahh. If you take a sport in HS your day would basically begin at 7:45 or whenever it starts now until like 5:00 pm. You're gona be working those hours soon anyway. Trabisnikof posted:Yes I'm sure if Americans had fewer opportunities to learn about the political process, that would go well for the nation. But make sure they know how to file the forms to put themselves in massive debt! My government class was totally useless since it was just another history class, but if anything it just gets re-branded as the "US constitution rights and voting" class.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Nahh. If you take a sport in HS your day would basically begin at 7:45 or whenever it starts now until like 5:00 pm. You're gona be working those hours soon anyway.
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JT Jag posted:All of the hard sciences become elective beyond a mandatory Freshman general knowledge course Indeed. The Republic has no need of scientists.
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Barudak posted:Math classes that dont allow calculators. So basically all of them beyond like precal?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Indeed. The Republic has no need of scientists. JT Jag posted:Basically my idea of high school is to college-ify it. Make more courses elective, make it so that you have to finish a specific 'degree path' within four years so that you have an in-depth knowledge of some specific subject rather than a mediocre knowledge of several.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which course gets cut? I would honestly cut low-level computer classes. Higher-level CS can stay (though I've only ever heard of rich white suburban schools offering it) but the vast majority of people nowadays are semi-computer-literate and you could very easily roll a basic "how to use Microsoft Office" (which is all those classes ever were in my experience, just dragged out and repeated for a year) into that life survival class. Also, cut PE and make some extracurricular sport mandatory instead. Allow martial arts outside the school and simply working out 3x a week under supervision after school (possibly alongside the athletes, even) to count as well. PE was also utterly useless at its intended purpose in my experience; weight training and actual cardio would have done a whole lot more for me than kickball and walking on a track. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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JT Jag posted:if you like your science class, you can keep your science class, have your high school experience specifically tailored to make you better at science, and graduate with a degree that says you are good at science. And if you don't like science, gently caress it. I sort of agree with this, but make the options super limited to only Language, History, Math, or Science. Art is missing from that list since while I do think it's super important that poo poo is for college or free time. LORD OF BUTT posted:Also, cut PE and make some extracurricular sport mandatory instead. Allow martial arts outside the school and simply working out 3x a week under supervision (possibly alongside the athletes, even) to count as well. PE was also utterly useless at its intended purpose in my experience; weight training and actual cardio would have done a whole lot more for me than kickball and walking on a track. Holy poo poo this.
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Here's what Senator Chuck Grassley did today.
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Joementum posted:Here's what Senator Chuck Grassley did today.
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