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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, a good solution to poorly structured courses is to remove them. Especially if our sample size for that course is "1" and based off some random dude's anecdote.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Typing is probably the single most useful course I took in school. Lots of jobs require wpm type testing. I'd say it's even more useful now since nobody writes anything and it's all done by keyboard. Typing is fine, but I never took a computer course in HS, because it required a whole year of typing as a prerequisite and I don't think there was a way to test out. Knowing how to type as a programmer is nice, but design and logic are much more important.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:10
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I'm still finding it hilarious that someone seriously suggested "firearm safety" as part of a life skills course. Don't touch a gun that ain't yours ever, done.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:11
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No room for hyperbole itt
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Apr 9, 2015 00:12
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I didn't take PE Took extra AP courses instead to graduate early, get to college
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Apr 9, 2015 00:13
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^ Illinois has that option? PE was mandatory k-12 here. If you really want to talk education reform and fitness, firearms safety and first aid training should be part of mandatory national service for all adults.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:14
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My HS computer class was a joke. It was typing followed by a section of duplicate this printed version of a MS office document (there was no instruction). It was totally self directed, so I finished the whole course in like 2 weeks and then the class became a study hall for the rest of the term. The teacher just sat at his desk and ignored the class for 90% of the period. I wish I could get that cushy of a job.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:15
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I would honestly cut low-level computer classes. Higher-level CS can stay (though I've only ever heard of rich white suburban schools offering it) but the vast majority of people nowadays are semi-computer-literate Pure fantasy. Most people can send text messages and halfway stagger to Facebook.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:16
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McDowell posted:^ Illinois has that option? PE was mandatory k-12 here. It was mandatory. Like most mandatory things, there are loopholes.
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Quote of the night, "I'm not Mitt Romney. I have to work for a living." ~ Rick Santorum, corporate lobbyist and Fox News contributor.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:17
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Nintendo Kid posted:I'm still finding it hilarious that someone seriously suggested "firearm safety" as part of a life skills course. Don't touch a gun that ain't yours ever, done. In all honesty, speaking as an experienced shooter with years of interest in firearms, there isn't a whole lot that a mandatory safety class can really teach. The vast, vast majority of negligent shootings with guns has to do with violating the core safety rules: 1. Always Keep The Muzzle Pointed In A Safe Direction 2. Firearms Should Be Unloaded When Not Actually In Use 3. Don't Rely On Your Gun's "Safety" 4. Be Sure Of Your Target And What's Beyond It 5. Use Correct Ammunition 6. If Your Gun Fails To Fire When The Trigger Is Pulled, Handle With Care! 7. Always Wear Eye And Ear Protection When Shooting 8. Be Sure The Barrel Is Clear Of Obstructions Before Shooting 9. Don't Alter Or Modify Your Gun, And Have Guns Serviced Regularly 10. Learn The Mechanical And Handling Characteristics Of The Firearm You Are Using Outside of these rules, learning about firearms is almost entirely marksmanship and other skill tests rather than anything that would improve your handling. And the first four are the ones most likely to cause damage when violated, and thus the ones most often repeated. A firearms safety class in school would probably last a month at the most, unless the rest was marksmanship and cleaning practice.
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Yeah it's been a while but i remember my firearms course being like a week of one hour classes including actual time on the range lol
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Apr 9, 2015 00:24
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chitoryu12 posted:In all honesty, speaking as an experienced shooter with years of interest in firearms, there isn't a whole lot that a mandatory safety class can really teach. The vast, vast majority of negligent shootings with guns has to do with violating the core safety rules: The number one safety rule that actually gets people (kids) killed is lock your loving guns up properly in your home so your kids can't get at them, assholes.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:29
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I'm as goony as the next guy but the idea of goons being against PE is so  it can't possibly considered reasonable.
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Apr 9, 2015 00:32
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"Life skills" and "basic logic" courses in school will never happen because it's in corporate America's best interests to keep people undereducated. They don't want people to be able to easily navigate bank loans or make informed decisions about purchases. Or balancing a checkbook, or doing their own taxes. The problem is, the Republicans are gutting education standards far beyond that, to the point of diminishing returns.
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I love education chat because every single person gets to chime in with an anecdote about how things were done at their school which is SO interesting and useful.
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badatom posted:"Life skills" and "basic logic" courses in school will never happen because it's in corporate America's best interests to keep people undereducated. They don't want people to be able to easily navigate bank loans or make informed decisions about purchases. Or balancing a checkbook, or doing their own taxes. The problem is, the Republicans are gutting education standards far beyond that, to the point of diminishing returns. yeah man, that corporate america, totally in a plot to like do something more than make boatloads of money man totally  You do realize how you sound, correct?
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My Imaginary GF posted:yeah man, that corporate america, totally in a plot to like do something more than make boatloads of money man *Forgets the numerous moves to cut back on critical thinking in public schools*
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In which Mike Huckabee suggests decapitating ISIS with a hoe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FwCejK2XBU
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Hey folks, I don't normally post much but have been getting more interested/involved in politics lately so I apologize if this isn't the correct place for this discussion. Today, I had this article gracing my news feed on facebook, with many of my republican friends commenting and liking it. Here is the article in question: http://www.usherald.com/maine-welfare-recipients-must-work-for-their-benefits/#.VSMk815brdk.facebook I don't know much about the US Herald but it seems like your typical right-wing media outlet that likes to point out how dumb the liberals are for wasting taxpayer money. In reading the article though, it seems like they are mandating that able-bodied adults with no children are required to perform some level of community service in order to receive their benefits. Something about this just doesn't feel right to me but I am having trouble articulating it in a logical argument. It disgusts me that people commenting on this article find so much pleasure in "saving" taxpayer money by going after the absolute poorest people in the country, but I know that appealing to anyone on a compassionate level is pointless. It also feels like this policy is almost a form of indentured servitude, where people are essentially performing a "job", but getting paid through benefits instead of a salary. Again, my apologies if this is not the correct thread for this type of discussion.
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chitoryu12 posted:In all honesty, speaking as an experienced shooter with years of interest in firearms, there isn't a whole lot that a mandatory safety class can really teach. The vast, vast majority of negligent shootings with guns has to do with violating the core safety rules: The vast majority of the population never owns a gun. All they need to know is "don't play with other people's guns, and especially don't mess with any that are lying around in the open". You are describing something that's only relevant to the (shrinking) minority of people who own and use guns, it has no place in general schooling.
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MrSargent posted:
Yea I saw that on my Facebook feed as well. The discussion isn't off limits here but the subject might be better served in the 'got a crazy forward' thread. I think the website that posted it is poo poo. The program is a 'success' only because it kicked shitload of people off welfare- not that people just magically found jobs and didn't need it anymore. I can make a welfare program where if you breathe you don't get benefits and kick everyone off it and by that measure it would be a 'success' in getting people off it as well. edit: could also go in the right wing media thread as well as the forward thread. They're kind of interchangeable at points. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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berzerker posted:I love education chat because every single person gets to chime in with an anecdote about how things were done at their school which is SO interesting and useful.
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For future reference, here is the Right Wing Media thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3512233&pagenumber=1005&perpage=40
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Uranium Phoenix posted:If we can't base our entire education system of millions of teachers and tens of millions of students on the experiences of a few people who are still salty about some thing that happened awhile back, what can we base it on? E gently caress quote isn't edit
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RuanGacho posted:I'm as goony as the next guy but the idea of goons being against PE is so Goon school 
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My Imaginary GF posted:yeah man, that corporate america, totally in a plot to like do something more than make boatloads of money man I know literally everything you say is a troll, but the primary function of school is to condition humans to be ok with a 9-5 office job, one which any normal human would violently reject if they weren't conditioned to do it from a young age.
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Joementum posted:In which Mike Huckabee suggests decapitating ISIS with a hoe. If GiP has taught me anything, it's that hoes and the military can't end well.
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site posted:Someone's butthurt
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Joementum posted:In which Mike Huckabee suggests decapitating ISIS with a hoe. Yep, we should've just started a war with the USSR. Big missed opportunity there.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:I'm sorry, I didn't take Intro to Logic in high school so I'm not clever enough to understand the complex, nuanced logical argument you're using here. Perhaps sharing a story about how you didn't like PE class would help??? And I thought migf was bad at trolling.
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Joementum posted:In which Mike Huckabee suggests decapitating ISIS with a hoe. As with everything else the GOP does nowadays, this is just a pale attempt at imitating Reagan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
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RuanGacho posted:I'm as goony as the next guy but the idea of goons being against PE is so PE isn't making people healthy is the issue. Modern PE is a relic of cold war era government policy that doesn't fit in with modern course loads geared towards college prep. Learning to eat well is going to make a much bigger improvement on people's health than some kick ball a few times a week. I have friends who were wildly overweight in highschool and dropped triple digit pounds after they moved out on their own and learned basic nutrition and cooking skills. I played sports when I was a kid, and I go to the gym now. I'm not against PE because I loath physical activity. I'm against it because it doesn't accomplish anything meaningful in terms of improving students' health or creating useful habits. Meanwhile most people are poor at meal planning, and bad at cooking.
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site posted:And I thought migf was bad at trolling. There's a difference between trolling and ridiculing a bunch of posters for arm-chair reformism where they try and base national education policy on their individual experiences based on literally no research. Now, if you want, you can actually try and back up your moronic claims that we should ditch PE on a national level because you had a bad teacher once or remove English classes in every school across the country because you didn't like some books you were taught and perhaps present some research. Or, as you seem to prefer, you can go back to posting variations of "u mad?" Up to you.
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I think Colbert's whole 'bears' schtick was making fun of this. If there is a bear.
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Joementum posted:In which Mike Huckabee suggests decapitating ISIS with a hoe.  Golly gee Mr. Huckabee, it's a shame we haven't been targeting any of ISIL's leaders in decapitation strikes huh? quote:Allied airstrikes, including those carried out by British warplanes, have killed more than
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SubponticatePoster posted:Typing is probably the single most useful course I took in school. Lots of jobs require wpm type testing. I'd say it's even more useful now since nobody writes anything and it's all done by keyboard.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:There's a difference between trolling and ridiculing a bunch of posters for arm-chair reformism where they try and base national education policy on their individual experiences based on literally no research. Now, if you want, you can actually try and back up your moronic claims that we should ditch PE on a national level because you had a bad teacher once or remove English classes in every school across the country because you didn't like some books you were taught and perhaps present some research. Or, as you seem to prefer, you can go back to posting variations of "u mad?" Up to you.
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More Americans die to lack of exercise than lack of gun safety knowledge. I'm pretty sure we need PE more. Maybe we need...better classes instead of none at all!
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Trabisnikof posted:More Americans die to lack of exercise than lack of gun safety knowledge. I'm pretty sure we need PE more. Maybe we need...better classes instead of none at all! All PE classes now consist only of biathlon.
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