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I'm not certain about that, but I know the writer said in interviews that he was excited about exploring the darker aspects of Flashpoint Aquaman's loss of Mera. Overall the book was standard set-up but if the writer is up to it then the pay-off should be great.
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BrianWilly posted:Was Flashpoint Aquaman always meant to be some sort of creepy evil stalker guy? I thought his backstory was supposed to be that he's sad 'cuz he lost his Mera, but in Convergence: JLA he kidnaps the "main" Mera and gets real...aggressive...about it. Everyone in Flashpoint is some twisted grimdark version of themselves because horrible poo poo happened when Barry went back and saved his mom from being murdered even though he knew the consequences of loving with time travel. Can I just put it out there that I somehow hope a version of Silver Age Superman is behind all of this just to be a super dick to all the realities Jimmys and Loises (Loisi?) in order to teach them some kind of lesson.  "Now now Jimmys I won't return reality to normal until you've learned to eat your spinach, and take out the trash!" "And you Loises, let the men handle the front page while the women folk write up the Style and Fashion column. You know, write what you know? That way I don't have to be saving your rear end every. single. TIME!"
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BrianWilly posted:Was Flashpoint Aquaman always meant to be some sort of creepy evil stalker guy?
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lotus circle posted:The issue she read, by the way, was the Red Robin one with Cass pretending to kill Tim. Not exactly the best issue to use, though Cass' characterization in it wasn't bad. Argh, she should have at least read Gates of Gotham. Actually I'm kind of surprised there was nobody who had a Cassandra Cain story in its own right lined up (since apparently it was writers coming up with stories for this and not the other way around). But then I guess DiDio might have forbidden it because he has an irrational hatred of her.
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I don't know what the hell to get next week. I can only maybe think of Supergirl: Matrix because I enjoy some Giffen comics. Are there any great artists in there?
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Yvonmukluk posted:Argh, she should have at least read Gates of Gotham. Stephanie getting a book over Cassandra is not too surprising in that situation because Stephanie is the Pre-Flashpoint Batgirl and is undoubtedly more popular with fans.
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I must be from the convergent universe where everybody wanted revisit anything from Flashpoint.
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I think I'm just at the point where I have no fucks left to give about the pre-Flashpoint universe. They left it pretty much completely in shambles outside of two or three dangling plotlines that I was actually enjoying (Dick as Batman, Steph as Batgirl, etc.). The New 52 is an incredibly mixed bag, but if it comes down to which one I'm actually invested in, the DiDio era DC or the New 52, I'm leaning way harder on the latter. So really, a prolonged nostalgia fest for an era of comics that I don't care about anymore, featuring almost none of the writers and artists responsible for the scant few things I was enjoying, does almost nothing for me. Semper Fudge fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Wait, how is the New 52 not the DiDio era? Wasn't the entire reboot pretty much his mandate, him and Johns and Jim Lee deciding everybody had to have high collars and be single?
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Sorry, was being unclear. I meant the pre-Flashpoint DiDio era of DC. So like 2002 to 2011. Obviously DiDio is still involved in day to day DC, but to what extent it's hard to say since he was promoted.
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moleman posted:I must be from the convergent universe where everybody wanted revisit anything from Flashpoint. Flashpoint had plenty of decent ideas, it's just the execution and what the event led to that makes people bitter towards it. If nothing else, Captain Thunder being a weird Captain Planet/He-Man mashup was great.
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TwoPair posted:Flashpoint had plenty of decent ideas, it's just the execution and what the event led to that makes people bitter towards it. If nothing else, Captain Thunder being a weird Captain Planet/He-Man mashup was great. yo I forgot all about captain thunder that was the BEST
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FilthyImp posted:I might be mixing up the animated film with the comic series, but I remember Aquaman aqua-loving Mera behind WW's back (because he was having a wonder-affair with her to begin with), and then poo poo going down when Mera's murdered by Diana. I think it was the opposite. Arthur was having an affair with Diana. Mera found out and assaulted Diana from what I remember who killed Mera. Arthur found out and while he may have been having an affair he was pissed about Diana murdering Mera and they started the huge war. This is just what I remember from the movie.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I don't know what the hell to get next week. I can only maybe think of Supergirl: Matrix because I enjoy some Giffen comics. This was basically an insta-buy when I heard "Keith Giffen" and "Ambush Bug". I really, really wish there were more things with a hook like that or the Question/Rucka combo.
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Main Convergence book was solid, Superman was great and Batman & Robin was underwhelming. I didnt care for all the other books
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Speaking of Wonder Woman, it's pretty disappointing that she has basically no presence in this story at all. Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Batman are both here, but they couldn't be arsed to find anything for her to do? She's got just as many dangling plot-threads from the old DCU as anyone.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I think it was the opposite... Whomever said Convergence was a Countdown:Arena knockff hit it square on the head. The way it was sold made it sound like they would get to close off plot threads in a last hurrah, then blip off to the Convergence event. What I've read is instead 'we've been abducted from our homes and forced to live in a bubble city for a year, completely divorced from the settings and people that gave our stories context and meaning... Hey there's some random folks, let's punch them!' Its very Kid Smashing Toys together. Mo wonder they called it the band-aid.
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BrianWilly posted:Speaking of Wonder Woman, it's pretty disappointing that she has basically no presence in this story at all. Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Batman are both here, but they couldn't be arsed to find anything for her to do? She's got just as many dangling plot-threads from the old DCU as anyone. That's what she gets for not being in Gotham at the time!
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lotus circle posted:From the way creative team interviews indicated, Didio and co. made up a list of characters they'd like to see star in Convergence stories and creative teams bid for who would get what. Certain characters/teams were straight up offered to creators right away (Rucka and Wolfman both said they were requested to write Question and New Teen Titans respectively) and others were allotted based on wants/needs. I refuse to believe this.  FilthyImp posted:Yup, that's what I remember. I just hosed up the phrasing and made it sound stupid. It really IS a take off of the '85 Secret Wars! (although actually Secret Wars was awesome). I wonder if Luthor's going to steal Telos' power at some point. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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As someone who didn't read the weekly books, it took about twenty pages for Convergence #1 to have anything resembling a plot.
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Sounds like a typical Event book. These next two months are going to be dull waiting for the actually good books in June to come.
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Convergence: Superman was awesome. I think it was the perfect "mash-up" of Pre-Flashpoint and Flashpoint universes - especially with their Supermen. And as a comic book guy that got into comics when the very popular Death of Superman story was introduced - I was SO HAPPY to see my Superman back.
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DudeDeuce posted:And as a comic book guy that got into comics when the very popular Death of Superman story was introduced - I was SO HAPPY to see my Superman back. I did like Lois being his Oracle. That whole trust aspect of their relationship was sweet. Though the dome dropping/being recharged Juuuuuust as he's hit with napalm was a little too  for me.
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Some of this is the problem most big event books have (the entire concept is laid out in promotional material, last-page promos, solicitations, interviews, announced tie-ins, etc. etc.) so by the time that the first issue of the comic sold as "Brainiac smooshed together a bunch of universes and now all the universes have to fight each other!" comes out, it's pretty boring to have twenty-two pages of "Hey! Brainiac has smooshed together our universe with another universe! I guess we're gonna have to fight each other!" It doesn't help that it isn't a very interesting story and it's not being told terribly well, but even *good* event comics (as much as anyone wants to acknowledge them, fondly remembered ones then?) pretty much universally get the same "well that first issue of [Civil War/Siege/Original Sin/Blackest Night/Infinity/Final Crisis/whatever] basically just told us everything we already knew!" reaction.
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FilthyImp posted:Yup, that's what I remember. I just hosed up the phrasing and made it sound stupid. Sounds like someone read Green Lantern: Mosaic and decided the thing the book had too much of was subtlety. Honestly if DC made Convergence a spiritual successor ongoing version of Mosaic that would be awesome, but they would rather have a Battle Royale stuff go on instead.
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I found it funny that I read 3 different tie-ins, all set in pre-Flashpoint Gotham, and none of them could agree on how the champions were informed of being picked. Batgirl sees it on TV, Oracle is told by two Thanagarian nutcases, and the Question hears about it in a booming Wizard-of-Oz voice. I suppose it would constrain creativity to a small degree, but stuff like that seems like it should be on a style sheet for all the creators in something like this.
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Here's what's apparently the first design sketch of Wonder Woman, for sale. http://www.comiclink.com/itemdetail.asp?id=647626  That is some ridiculous handwriting.
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I don't read any DC books but Batman and Batman: Eternal. I read Convergence 0 and Convergence #1 but I'm pretty confused as to whats going on. Are there other DC books I should read to help me understand wtf is going on?
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Future's End and World's End are basically both stealth-weeklies that lead into Convergence, so you should find a summary of those. The latter especially, because so far it looks like the main stars of Convergence is everyone from the Earth-2 books.
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lotus circle posted:Future's End and World's End are basically both stealth-weeklies that lead into Convergence, so you should find a summary of those. The latter especially, because so far it looks like the main stars of Convergence is everyone from the Earth-2 books. Ok. Thanks a lot!
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SalTheBard posted:I don't read any DC books but Batman and Batman: Eternal. I read Convergence 0 and Convergence #1 but I'm pretty confused as to whats going on. Are there other DC books I should read to help me understand wtf is going on? To be honest, I think you'd end more confused reading the stories set as the prelude for Convergence: Future's End, Earth's End and Doomed. If you want to track them down, only the final issues of every story are undispensable to Convergence (although Doomed is really, really good) Having said that, I think Convergence is pretty straightforward: Brainiac has been collecting "samples" of doomed worlds and has put them on a sentient planet named Telos, after Brainiac goes missing, Telos chooses to pit every world against each other to find the perfect world.
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Convergence #2 preview http://www.newsarama.com/24097-preview-dc-s-convergence-2.html Click for a bunch of wasted pages of Worlds End recap, though the solicit promises Futures End Vs Stan Lee's Just Imagine! Convergence: Aquaman #1 http://www.comicosity.com/exclusive-preview-convergence-aquaman-1/ Convergence: Catwoman #1 http://www.comicvine.com/articles/exclusive-preview-convergence-catwoman-1/1100-151908/ Convergence: Suicide Squad #1 http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2015/04/the-squad-rolls-out-in-our-exclusive-preview-of-convergence-suicide-squad/ This one looks maybe alright! Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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I don't like any of that Aquaman art. I think it is bad!
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Teenage Fansub posted:Convergence: Suicide Squad #1 These domes have managed to make even alternate Amanda Wallers lose weight. What a miracle weight loss supplement being bottled is!
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Body by Brainiac: Dome away those unsightly pounds!
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DudeDeuce posted:Convergence: Superman was awesome. I think it was the perfect "mash-up" of Pre-Flashpoint and Flashpoint universes - especially with their Supermen. And as a comic book guy that got into comics when the very popular Death of Superman story was introduced - I was SO HAPPY to see my Superman back. I feel like the world's biggest nerd for even caring about this, but it bothered me that Flashpoint Batman is even trying to save his city from destruction in this comic. Wasn't his whole character arc in the comic he's from about destroying his own universe so that his son can live again? It's a bit rubbish to have all these characters coming back for hardcore geeks if they then behave in ways that aren't anything like what the hardcore geeks would remember.
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vegetables posted:I feel like the world's biggest nerd for even caring about this, but it bothered me that Flashpoint Batman is even trying to save his city from destruction in this comic. Wasn't his whole character arc in the comic he's from about destroying his own universe so that his son can live again? It's a bit rubbish to have all these characters coming back for hardcore geeks if they then behave in ways that aren't anything like what the hardcore geeks would remember. This has come up in the Superman issues where he visits the Flash point city. Basically he's conflicted about should they fight at all. He thought he was sacraficing his city to ensure Bruce would live. But the chance to see a Bruce again is tempting to him too. It's also funny how Convergence has two different Thomas Wayne as Batman running around.
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RED HOOD/ARSENAL (Written by Scott Lobdell with Art by Denis Medri)
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Teenage Fansub posted:Why the hell didn't GL's team change at all for June? A lot of teams for the titles that are keeping on didn't change.
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