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Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31z6mz/an_appeal_to_end_use_of_the_word_hoarding_around/
An appeal to end use of the word "hoarding" around here (self.Bitcoin)
отправлено an hour ago автор tsontar

"Hoarding" is correctly applied to animals who collect food (or perhaps dragons who collect gold) driven by instinct. It's also correctly applied to humans who have a psychological disorder which causes them to collect junk.

I deeply dislike the use of the pejorative term "hoarding" to refer to people collecting and saving bitcoin as it implies it is some sort of irrational behavior or complusivity disorder.

If you collect money with the intent to spend it later on, the right word is "saving."

Savers. Not hoarders.

aaronvoisine 4 очка 50 minutes ago*
Just call it hoarding... hoarding is what gives bitcoin or any other monetary commodity it's value. If you want to help bitcoin succeed, the best thing you can do to help is hoard it. By hoarding money, you also help society by not consuming scarce economic resources that you would if you were spending. Hoarding money is how you "give back" to society, by leaving more goods and services for others to consume. Those greedy spenders are the ones who consume and raise costs for everyone else. Billionaires who give away their fortunes are some of the worst offenders in this respect. Hoarders are heroes.

tsontar [S] 3 очка a minute ago
��Just call it ~~hoarding~~ saving... ~~hoarding~~ saving is what gives bitcoin or any other monetary commodity it's value. If you want to help bitcoin succeed, the best thing you can do to help is ~~hoard~~ save it. By ~~hoarding~~ saving money, you help society by not consuming scarce economic resources that you would if you were spending. ~~Hoarding~~ Saving money is how you "give back" to society.

FTFY

aaronvoisine 2 очка 44 minutes ago*
Calling it hoarding shocks the listener and causes them to pay attention and think about underlying principle. "Hoarding" is the strongest pejorative that economic illiterates can use against you, so embrace it and reveal it as the emotionally manipulative tool that it is.

aaronvoisine is the creator of the breadwallet ios bitcoin wallet

# ? Apr 9, 2015 11:10

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# ? May 30, 2024 16:35

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

aaronvoisine 4 очка 50 minutes ago*
Just call it hoarding... hoarding is what gives bitcoin or any other monetary commodity it's value. If you want to help bitcoin succeed, the best thing you can do to help is hoard it. By hoarding money, you also help society by not consuming scarce economic resources that you would if you were spending. Hoarding money is how you "give back" to society, by leaving more goods and services for others to consume. Those greedy spenders are the ones who consume and raise costs for everyone else. Billionaires who give away their fortunes are some of the worst offenders in this respect. Hoarders are heroes.

aaronvoisine is the creator of the breadwallet ios bitcoin wallet

holy poo poo

# ? Apr 9, 2015 11:13

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK: Sep 11, 2008; Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola
-Cheap Trick; Nap Ghost

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

link pls

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3706449&pagenumber=3&perpage=40#post443006361

3rd post in this chain has the post fyi

# ? Apr 9, 2015 11:52

A Pinball Wizard: Mar 23, 2005; I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands; College Slice

quote:

[S]uppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. [...] Let us begin by stating the conditions under which we would expect to observe increased fervor following the disconfirmation of a belief. There are five such conditions.

1. A belief must be held with deep conviction and it must have some relevance to action, that is, to what the believer does or how he behaves.

2. The person holding the belief must have committed himself to it; that is, for the sake of his belief, he must have taken some important action that is difficult to undo. In general, the more important such actions are, and the more difficult they are to undo, the greater is the individual�s commitment to the belief.

3. The belief must be sufficiently specific and sufficiently concerned with the real world so that events may unequivocally refute the belief.

4. Such undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur and must be recognized by the individual holding the belief.

The first two of these conditions specify the circumstances that will make the belief resistant to change. The third and fourth conditions together, on the other hand, point to factors that would exert powerful pressure on a believer to discard his belief. It is, of course, possible that an individual, even though deeply convinced of a belief, may discard it in the face of unequivocal disconfirmation. We must, therefore, state a fifth condition specifying the circumstances under which the belief will be discarded and those under which it will be maintained with new fervor.

5. The individual believer must have social support. It is unlikely that one isolated believer could withstand the kind of dis-confirming evidence we have specified. If, however, the believer is a member of a group of convinced persons who can support one another, we would expect the belief to be maintained and the believers to attempt to proselyte or to persuade nonmembers that the belief is correct.

Festinger, Leon; Riecken, Henry W.; Schachter, Stanley (2013-04-01). When Prophecy Fails (Kindle Locations 21-37). Start Publishing LLC. Kindle Edition.

no really, they're a cult

(also everyone read this book, if for no other reason than the extensive documentation of the UFO cult some middle aged housewife started in her backyard in south dakota)

# ? Apr 9, 2015 11:54

Ayn Randi: Mar 12, 2009; Grimey Drawer

A Pinball Wizard posted:

no really, they're a cult

(also everyone read this book, if for no other reason than the extensive documentation of the UFO cult some middle aged housewife started in her backyard in south dakota)

Reverend Sun Myung To-The-Moon

# ? Apr 9, 2015 12:16

Deacon of Delicious: Aug 20, 2007; I bet the twist ending is Dracula's dick-babies

AlbieQuirky posted:

sucks to your assmar_{k karpeles}

Ayn Randi posted:

Reverend Sun Myung To-The-Moon

ehehehe

# ? Apr 9, 2015 12:19

Penguissimo: Apr 7, 2007

ayn rand hand job posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3706449&pagenumber=3&perpage=40#post443006361

3rd post in this chain has the post fyi

the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a claw hammer is a good guy with a claw hammer

# ? Apr 9, 2015 12:29

Greyhawk: May 30, 2001

Penguissimo posted:

the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a claw hammer is a good guy with a claw hammer

# ? Apr 9, 2015 12:48

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

aaronvoisine is the creator of the breadwallet ios bitcoin wallet

spread the buttercoin on my breadwallet

# ? Apr 9, 2015 13:04

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Greyhawk posted:

why was he licking a hammer, anyway? :confused:

# ? Apr 9, 2015 13:06

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

prefect posted:

why was he licking a hammer, anyway?

Nice out of context post. I hope you got your daily dose of trolling out.
By the way the post above is not by me (Andreas) but by a troll. It is me in the photo though. I got donations which I gave to charity to make fun of the "naked photos for bitcoin" and Milley Cyrus memes a few months back. People donated to make the photo go away. It was a big success. I used my pasty middle-aged silliness for charity. Enjoy

except it looks more like an unsolicited reply to someone selling naked naked lady photos for tips https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/397468038154297344

# ? Apr 9, 2015 13:14

InShaneee: Aug 11, 2006; Cleanse them. Cleanse the world of their ignorance and sin. Bathe them in the crimson of ... am I on speakerphone?; Fun Shoe

to promote feminism

no, seriously, that was his reason

# ? Apr 9, 2015 13:15

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Magrov posted:

if my math is correct, the blockchain would bloat to over 50 terrabytes and take almost two years to process

# ? Apr 9, 2015 13:44

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Splicer posted:

if my math is correct, the blockchain would bloat to over 50 terrabytes and take almost two years to process

blockchain going up in size

# ? Apr 9, 2015 13:52

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Can't post for 5 hours!

Splicer posted:

if my math is correct, the blockchain would bloat to over 50 terrabytes and take almost two years to process

Sounds like bitcoin disk space is going to the moon!

# ? Apr 9, 2015 14:19

Magrov: Mar 27, 2010; I'm completely lost and have no idea what's going on. I'll be at my bunker.

If you need any diplomatic or mineral stuff just call me. If you plan to nuke India please give me a 5 minute warning to close the windows!

Also Iapetus sucks!

quote:

[�]Raystonn 3 points 1 day ago

That entirely depends on the person making the purchase for you. If they commit a crime making the purchase, you will be the only person that can be tracked. You are essentially making yourself the first line of contact for anything the purchaser does wrong. Until such time as Purse.io works with Amazon to indemnify the recipient of the goods from one of their wishlists and ensure the police are never called, I will stay away.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2po40d/since_my_house_is_being_searched_right_now_small/
http://btcfeed.net/news/need-stay-away-purse-io/

quote:

[�]PurseIO 13 points 1 day ago

Even in our wildest imaginations, we did not see this as a possibility. We responded with a $10,000 guarantee, covered all costs, and made numerous changes (Purse Instant pilot included).

Purse is arguably the largest legal Bitcoin marketplace. We sell more products on a monthly basis than Overstock sells in bitcoin. It's not because we are the best marketers, it's because we have the best prices, provide access to the largest inventory of products, and most importantly, provide the only way to liquidate Amazon gift card balances using Bitcoin.

As such, we hope this community views this incident as a small hiccup in a long journey to drive mainstream Bitcoin adoption.

purseio is shocked to know that carders are using their service.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:04

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Ghostlight posted:

How is truly, truly amazing.

Amazingly likeable.

Magrov posted:

purseio is shocked to know that carders are using their service.

"Our business model is literally triangle fraud separated from money laundering by only a pinky swear and na�vet� only matched in 80's family movies, how could we ever predict that people would use our service to monetize stolen financials and launder the funds"

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 9, 2015

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:10

killhamster: Apr 15, 2004; SCAMMER
Hero Member

FAUXTON posted:

It's truly amazing how many people just don't think committing bank fraud is committing bank fraud.

i got a job working for a bank years ago and my very first call was some idiot kiting checks and not understanding why this was a bad thing

he wasn't even using two accounts he was just writing bad checks to himself from the same account and depositing them hoping money would just happen

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:37

surebet: Jan 10, 2013; ａｖａｔａｒ
ｓｐｅｃｉａｌｉｓｔ

since this thread has teached me to fear mongodb, what would be in fact proper dbs to run financial stuff on? i've got an itch to code something for fun but the last thing i made outside of excel land was my magic the gathering fan page in 1997

python + sqllite a decce combo?

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:53

Boxturret: Oct 3, 2013; Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

surebet posted:

since this thread has teached me to fear mongodb, what would be in fact proper dbs to run financial stuff on? i've got an itch to code something for fun but the last thing i made outside of excel land was my magic the gathering fan page in 1997

python + sqllite a decce combo?

...magic the gathering...? online..?

# ? Apr 9, 2015 15:55

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

surebet posted:

since this thread has teached me to fear mongodb, what would be in fact proper dbs to run financial stuff on? i've got an itch to code something for fun but the last thing i made outside of excel land was my magic the gathering fan page in 1997

python + sqllite a decce combo?

whatever passes ACID testing but if you really care about it you'll invest in lots of hardware checks/redundancy too

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:14

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Can't post for 5 hours!

surebet posted:

since this thread has teached me to fear mongodb, what would be in fact proper dbs to run financial stuff on? i've got an itch to code something for fun but the last thing i made outside of excel land was my magic the gathering fan page in 1997

python + sqllite a decce combo?

FYI "financial stuff" is not a sufficient enough description of your technical requirements to get any kind of meaningful recommendation.

I like redis though, its neat.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:20

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

shouldn't "financial stuff" and "for fun" be mutually exclusive

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:21

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Can't post for 5 hours!

haveblue posted:

shouldn't "financial stuff" and "for fun" be mutually exclusive

I have to give a presentation for the company today about a 23 year old ASCII protocol that is used for exchanging security order and trade data between bank servers to a nontechnical audience.

The boss keeps saying how everyone is looking forward to it and I'm like "OK please stop lying to me I am not that dumb"

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:32

k-zed: Dec 1, 2008; Fallen Rib

mrmcd posted:

I have to give a presentation for the company today about a 23 year old ASCII protocol that is used for exchanging security order and trade data between bank servers to a nontechnical audience.

FIX?

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:38

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

surebet posted:

for fun i checked out the prices of my pill on silk road and while one of them was slightly cheaper if directly imported from india (assuming it was even what it purported to be, which i somewhat doubt) the rest of the payload was massively more expensive.

then again,

the one you're already taking is probably imported from india, with exactly as little auditing/compliance/control as silk road. counterfeiting is rampant

this is less an endorsement of libertarian social experiments and more an indictment of pharmacy supply chains in north america

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:43

ryde: Sep 9, 2011; God I love young girls

Choice of database depends on a lot of things. If you only want to make a toy exchange, SQLite is fine, as long as you are aware that real numbers are stored as floating point. Its a double, so your choices are to take the result and immediately convert it into an actual arbitrary-precision data structure (Decimal in Python) and then round it to the precision you're working with, or to just use integers entirely by storing and working with everything at the lowest level of precision (i.e., work with 110 cents rather than 1.10 dollars).

But you're going to have a bad time with SQLite if you need availability or high concurrency.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:48

flyboi: Oct 13, 2005; agg stop posting; College Slice

surebet posted:

since this thread has teached me to fear mongodb, what would be in fact proper dbs to run financial stuff on? i've got an itch to code something for fun but the last thing i made outside of excel land was my magic the gathering fan page in 1997

python + sqllite a decce combo?

it all depends on what your actual use case is and how you're using the data

a lot of people dick-suck postgres now because it has built-in json overblown bullshit but it's made to put nosql (mongodb) type functioning into a relational database and inefficiently done because it's not what relational databases are for. postgres also scales like poo poo so when you hit a wall you'll be rebuilding your stack quite a few times to fix performance issues that weren't present before. there's also some nonsense javascript engine which allows you to replay a .psql file for reporting purposes but it's bootleg and poo poo.

mysql is easy set it + forget it but also allows for someone to royally gently caress up implementation with its ease-of-use. reporting sucks on it.

mssql is great because it has a ton of baked-in replication features and great reporting for analyitics as well as tying into other applications such as excel to use pivot tables for financial reporting off tons of data to gather crap. it's expensive as poo poo though.

lol oracle

nosql in general is complete trash for financial and should never be used as that's not what it's intended for. inherently the nature of nosql means it cannot maintain acid compliance however for a vast (not financial) majority of use cases it's fine. it's great for perf data, event data, "big data" cataloging, etc where data doesn't need to be 100% consistent from the transaction but at some point be consistent across the farm.

the problem with applying nosql mechanics to rdb engines is they aren't built for it. let's take how json is parsed in pgsql for example. let's say we have a json store of the following:

code:

{
  "array": [
    1,
    2,
    3
  ],
  "boolean": true,
  "null": null,
  "number": 123,
  "object": {
    "a": "b",
    "c": "d",
    "e": "f"
  },
  "string": "Hello World"
}

in pgsql this would be stored in a row like so:

code:

id | data
1 | {"array":[1,2,3],"boolean":true,"null":null,"number":123,"object":{"a":"b","c":"d","e":"f"},"string":"Hello World"}

pgsql lets you build indices two ways - btree or "generic" however they're backwards in how they function and extremely inefficient with scale. btree basically stores category: value while generic stores an index based off an operation and indexes in general average 20-30% of total table size per index

the problem is once you hit an index let's say we want to find the value of boolean from our json where an index was built based off number and our query compares to various cases within object. postgres will first run the operand off number on a generic index (most efficient since we built a query based off of it), concat the rows' data to scan through each part of the json object until it finds the desired value of object to return the boolean value from the rows. yes, you could build an index off number and c for example but if you think bigger picture this isn't going to scale unless you really loving love indexes and don't give a drat about disk usage as you need to build an index now off each instance of number and value within object.

so sure, you got acid inside of rdb using nosql but it's inefficient and will be garbage. i hope you love slony.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:48

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

killhamster posted:

i got a job working for a bank years ago and my very first call was some idiot kiting checks and not understanding why this was a bad thing

he wasn't even using two accounts he was just writing bad checks to himself from the same account and depositing them hoping money would just happen

And that man was satoshi nakamoto

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:49

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Can't post for 5 hours!

k-zed posted:

FIX?

Yes.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:52

mod saas: May 4, 2004; Grimey Drawer

killhamster posted:

i got a job working for a bank years ago and my very first call was some idiot kiting checks and not understanding why this was a bad thing

he wasn't even using two accounts he was just writing bad checks to himself from the same account and depositing them hoping money would just happen

how is monny formed

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:54

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

how account get balence

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:54

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

there was a mother in ar

# ? Apr 9, 2015 16:59

Skarp: Sep 27, 2013

SELECT * FROM wallets w, users u WHERE w.balance > 0 AND u.password = 'password123'

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:01

k-zed: Dec 1, 2008; Fallen Rib

mrmcd posted:

Yes.

please go into extreme detail about how different implementors deal with ambiguities like when two endpoints request gapfills simultaneously after login. also about which exchange allows zero-padding float fields and which don't. your audience will love you

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:03

Bobby Digital: Sep 4, 2009

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

отправлено an hour ago автор tsontar

bitcoin...is some sort of irrational behavior or complusivity disorder.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:10

flyboi: Oct 13, 2005; agg stop posting; College Slice

k-zed posted:

please go into extreme detail about how different implementors deal with ambiguities like when two endpoints request gapfills simultaneously after login. also about which exchange allows zero-padding float fields and which don't. your audience will love you

SELECT FOR/WITH LOCK/UPDATE :confused:

good loving luck in nosql

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:11

theflyingexecutive: Apr 22, 2007

Tokamak posted:

my rental has free electricity

its my god given right to keep my bedroom at 50 degrees all summer, libertarianism bitch.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:15

mrmcd: Feb 22, 2003; Can't post for 5 hours!

k-zed posted:

please go into extreme detail about how different implementors deal with ambiguities like when two endpoints request gapfills simultaneously after login. also about which exchange allows zero-padding float fields and which don't. your audience will love you

#1: Usually one or more sides will crap themselves and start screaming, then one ops guy calls the other and says "hey let's reset sequence numbers"

#2: Man you don't even know half the horrible horrible sins I've committed on FIX.

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:16

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# ? May 30, 2024 16:35

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Skarp posted:

SELECT * FROM wallets w, users u WHERE w.balance > 0 AND u.password = 'password123'

Sorry, but the passwords are salted so u.password = 'password123salt'

# ? Apr 9, 2015 17:25

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