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BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

So I've been trying to jump ship from my current company the last few weeks. I havent gone full bore job search yet just kind of casually applying to jobs that have an easy application process and let me just upload my resume. Also only looking at jobs that would be a step-up for me money and responsibility wise. Got an interview at a place and seemed to impress them. Came in for a second interview and met the president and went way over my scheduled time, was there almost 3 hours touring the place and just bullshitting with everyone. They asked me for a list of references last week. I provided them with them expecting them to just call the people I had listed. Instead they sent out this questionnaire via email:

quote:

I would like to know your impression of xxxxxx?

What was your position in relation to the candidate?

If manager, how would you describe your management style?

What were the responsibilities of the position the candidate had while working at your company?

We are hiring for the Position of Systems/Network Administrator. Do you think the candidate is qualified to handle these responsibilities?

What qualities or personal characteristics cause you to feel this way?

Is this person a team player or did they excel working alone?

What was the candidates attendance record? Were they dependable and on-time?

How did the candidate perform in regards to project management? Systems management? Organizational skills? Communications skills with users?

What areas of development were communicated to the candidate and how did they respond?

What are the candidates three strongest qualities?

Why did the candidate leave their position with your company?

Would you rehire this candidate?

Is there any additional information about this candidate that you would like share?

Thank you for your time in regards to my request for information on our job search candidate.

Sincerely,
xxxxxxxxx

Is it just me or is this crazy? I'm worried that for legal reasons a lot of my references wont even reply? One person did and forwarded me their glowing responses but still kind of makes me a worry that I might not be dealing with as professional of an organization as I thought.

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icehewk
Jul 7, 2003

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
That's crazy and the majority of it should have been sussed out during the interview process, not when contacting references.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I would say it's crazy. Legal doesn't let most places do anything other than confirm or deny that the person was employed there for the period stated.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
There's donuts in the breakroom!

Because I brought them in!

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

BaseballPCHiker posted:

So I've been trying to jump ship from my current company the last few weeks. I havent gone full bore job search yet just kind of casually applying to jobs that have an easy application process and let me just upload my resume. Also only looking at jobs that would be a step-up for me money and responsibility wise. Got an interview at a place and seemed to impress them. Came in for a second interview and met the president and went way over my scheduled time, was there almost 3 hours touring the place and just bullshitting with everyone. They asked me for a list of references last week. I provided them with them expecting them to just call the people I had listed. Instead they sent out this questionnaire via email:


Is it just me or is this crazy? I'm worried that for legal reasons a lot of my references wont even reply? One person did and forwarded me their glowing responses but still kind of makes me a worry that I might not be dealing with as professional of an organization as I thought.

I'd probably just keep looking

Japanese Dating Sim
Nov 12, 2003

hehe
Lipstick Apathy
I'm surprised to find that I'm thoroughly enjoying learning basic IPv4 subnetting with Keith Barker's CBT Nuggets course, and it's going easy.

Had a hard time getting used to the way he sounds like he's always about to laugh at something, but now it's kind of endearing?

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




If there is one thing that inspires mirthful and jovial warmth in me, it's IPv4 subnetting.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

Japanese Dating Sim posted:

I'm surprised to find that I'm thoroughly enjoying learning basic IPv4 subnetting with Keith Barker's CBT Nuggets course, and it's going easy.

Had a hard time getting used to the way he sounds like he's always about to laugh at something, but now it's kind of endearing?

That's just the stockholm syndrome setting in.

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
My company is looking into a virtual data room to work with vendors and clients. Basically, we need a secure separate space where people can collaborate on Word docs and web pages securely and in real time. Webex is out - they want to be able to have multiple people in one document. We already use Google Apps but they don't like the Google Docs interface and functionality for some Excel and Word features that don't jive well.

We have a quote from Firmex but they want $4500 for six months of 1 gig's space. That's way too much.

Our requirements:

- Up to 15 users tops
- Around 1gb of space
- Ability to allow access only from certain IPs/IP ranges
- Web app preferable, separate program/application is acceptable
- The lower the cost, the better

Anyone have any recommendations/cautions? We're iffy on Box simply because it's the biggest out there, and to the best of my knowledge doesn't have the ability to limit IP range access.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Are there websites that aren't porn or animal videos or somethin?

There are sites that are both. Does that help?

Sacred Cow
Aug 13, 2007

mayodreams posted:

While not common, my company has restriction on side work that is grounds for instant termination. They aren't very upfront about it either.

I would make sure that they know that you have a new full time position and that you most likely can't respond during business hours. I would determine some sort of SLA so they know that can't call you with a high priority issue and demand you drop what you are doing to address it.

I just went through my employee handbook and sure enough I have to disclose if I hold a second job working for any government agency. Its contract work but either way that doesn't surprise me. I've already told the company that wants me to work as casual I would be off hours only and my primary job takes absolute priority. If it doesn't work out it wont be devastating or anything. Its not like I don't already have plenty to do with work, school and 2 kids.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I wouldn't do it.

It's a black hole that you'll have trouble escaping from. The issue is, how do you define your free time? You get home from a stressful day of real job and they have some sort of emergency that they want you for. Now you have to juggle between feeling guilty for leaving them hanging or adding to your stress level by not having time to unwind. Are they going to pay you under the table? If not, you'll have the whole bullshit of working out a 1099 when tax season rolls around. If you aren't making enough from there for it to be taxable, then it's not worth your time and effort.

If it's a employer that you have a good relationship with, I can see giving a helping hand for a period of time to maintain relationships. But absolutely have an end date confirmed ahead of time when you will no longer be providing support. Otherwise, they just have incentive not to replace your position if you can keep them limping along.

There's no such thing as 'casual' work if you are providing any sort of support that's critical to keeping a business running.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

bull3964 posted:

If you aren't making enough from there for it to be taxable, then it's not worth your time and effort.
All 1099 income is taxable. The company that hired you is not required to send you a form 1099 if they paid you less than $600 in a calendar year. You are still required to claim it as income and file it appropriately.

meanieface
Mar 27, 2012

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Methanar posted:

That's just the stockholm syndrome setting in.

Working in IT 3.0: Enjoy work? That's just the stockholm syndrome setting in.

Sacred Cow
Aug 13, 2007

bull3964 posted:

I wouldn't do it.

It's a black hole that you'll have trouble escaping from. The issue is, how do you define your free time? You get home from a stressful day of real job and they have some sort of emergency that they want you for. Now you have to juggle between feeling guilty for leaving them hanging or adding to your stress level by not having time to unwind.

This is pretty much what my wife just asked. The extra money would be nice because :shepspends:daycare for 2 kids:shepspends:
Its not worth it if I never get to spend time with them.

Fiendish Dr. Wu
Nov 11, 2010

You done fucked up now!

Sacred Cow posted:

This is pretty much what my wife just asked. The extra money would be nice because :shepspends:daycare for 2 kids:shepspends:
Its not worth it if I never get to spend time with them.

Family can wait, servers/storage/network cannot

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Interview scheduled for next Thursday. I am so loving ready to :yotj:, it's not even funny. I'm going crazy sitting here.

meanieface
Mar 27, 2012

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Sacred Cow posted:

This is pretty much what my wife just asked. The extra money would be nice because :shepspends:daycare for 2 kids:shepspends:
Its not worth it if I never get to spend time with them.

I hear ya. I have less than two years before #2 is of school age, and her tuition will be >10k a year. :shepspends:

(Yep, this is why I'm driving a beater and don't buy myself nice things hardly ever--kid's education is more costly than my college, and college had scholarships.)

I've already had the conversation with my five year old about money, and how it's exchanged for goods and services. After she realized all the different things we use money for, and that we have a Budget [and why], she's super serious about making sure I'm taking care of work. The "can you just stay home and play today" conversations have ended, which is a little :smithcloud: ... I am glad she understands vacation time and appreciates the time we spend together.

Fenrisulfr
Oct 14, 2012

meanieface posted:

I hear ya. I have less than two years before #2 is of school age, and her tuition will be >10k a year. :shepspends:

:psyduck: I'm pretty sure my entire K-12 education didn't cost my parents 10K. What kind of dystopian hell do you live in?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Fenrisulfr posted:

:psyduck: I'm pretty sure my entire K-12 education didn't cost my parents 10K. What kind of dystopian hell do you live in?

"Honey, the McCarson family down the street enrolled their daughter into $expensivePrivateSchool. If we don't get Aiden into $evenMoreExpensivePrivateSchool, he'll never succeed in life!"

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

God, I'd rather just move somewhere with better public schools.

Zaepho
Oct 31, 2013

Fenrisulfr posted:

:psyduck: I'm pretty sure my entire K-12 education didn't cost my parents 10K. What kind of dystopian hell do you live in?

He's talking about Day Care before the kiddo is in K-12 education. That poo poo is outrageously expensive.

Sacred Cow
Aug 13, 2007

Fenrisulfr posted:

:psyduck: I'm pretty sure my entire K-12 education didn't cost my parents 10K. What kind of dystopian hell do you live in?

NoVA

Non-basement daycare runs >$10k a year for a 3 year old. Good luck finding something that takes your kid all day if you're a 2 income family for less then that.

Sacred Cow fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 9, 2015

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Daycare for my 2 kids runs about 1K a month, and that's a great price. High end private school runs 18K to 23K per kid per year.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Sacred Cow posted:

NoVA

Non-basement daycare runs >$10k a year for a 3 year old. Good luck finding something that takes your kid all day if you're a 2 income family for less then that.

Which is weird considering that so many federal agencies and even private firms offer daycare. But I guess the population density is high enough to drive prices up.

e: And also people like my former coworker who referred to daycare as "school" and was always talking about the quality of his son's "Pre-K academic career."

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

skipdogg posted:

Daycare for my 2 kids runs about 1K a month, and that's a great price. High end private school runs 18K to 23K per kid per year.

If you pay 12k for daycare care, then that means realistically 15k of your base salary goes into it. Then when you consider that in AMERICA couples with two working spouses pay a lot more taxes than couples with one working spouse, sometimes if the other spouse doesn't work, you only end up losing a lot less income than you think. I know it's not for everyone, but when we had a kid my wife quit her job, She was making 40k/year, and with out her added taxes, cutting out one car, and all the other expenses her going to work entailed we ended up only taking home like 10k less. If we had our kid in daycare, we'd have pretty much broken even. Of course we had to dial our life style back, switch to one car, move into a slightly cheaper place, but really financially it was a wash.

That said all of our friends both still work and sort of treat us like charity cases. It's kind of funny. I've bounced through a few jobs since then and I make a bit more, but I think really not having a stranger raise your kids is worth the simpler lifestyle.

Super-NintendoUser fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Apr 9, 2015

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

^^^ What this guy said

Yeah daycare is expensive as gently caress. I'm not even in a high cost of living area and it's about $50/day to send our 1 year old to someone's house. And that's a really good deal. My wife works part-time so we only use daycare 2-3 days a week, but if we were doing it full-time we'd easily break $10k per year. Before we found this woman, we'd been looking at places that charged $100/day :homebrew:. At that price point it literally didn't make sense for my wife to work at all, we'd have been losing a lot of money.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Apr 9, 2015

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





I'm in the wrong industry

Sacred Cow
Aug 13, 2007

psydude posted:

Which is weird considering that so many federal agencies and even private firms offer daycare. But I guess the population density is high enough to drive prices up.

e: And also people like my former coworker who referred to daycare as "school" and was always talking about the quality of his son's "Pre-K academic career."

I've always worked for small contractors for government contracts. They don't get the same perks. The job I just left had a daycare on premise and could probably get in on the government subsidy but with how volatile the IT market can be for contractors I'd rather keep my kids in one place so they can develop a healthy relationship with the other kids and caretakers.

Also :lol: at people pretending your kid is doing anything other then finger-painting and throwing toys at each other before grade school.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
My brother's wife took a 'demotion' and reduction in pay to work from home 9 out of 10 days a week and it turned out to be a net gain due to not paying for loving daycare

Sacred Cow
Aug 13, 2007
We had the "single income" talk before but her career is very important to her and we still come out on top if she continues to work. I'd rather make cuts in our spending then make her give up on her career.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
Even in the Great Northeast Megalopolis, religious people also have a lot more low-cost options for early childcare.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Yeah the long-term effect on career growth and the sacrifice of future earnings is probably worth taking into consideration if either parent wants to drop out of the workforce for a few years.

meanieface
Mar 27, 2012

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

KillHour posted:

"Honey, the McCarson family down the street enrolled their daughter into $expensivePrivateSchool. If we don't get Aiden into $evenMoreExpensivePrivateSchool, he'll never succeed in life!"

It's a school for gifted children. They have a 1:5 teacher:student ratio. I realize I'm throwing money at the place, and I'm okay with that. It's also why I can't/won't take a job that would require us to move--it'd be hard to find another place like this for my kid. She's the reason I went back to school and got a degree, so I could get a better paying job.

Mr. Meanieface is a SAHD until munchkin #2 is 3 1/2, when she'll be old enough to go to school.

Shout-out to all the other goons who live in states where preschool is actually more expensive than college tuition.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
:cripes:

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

SIR FAT JONY IVES posted:

If you pay 12k for daycare care, then that means realistically 15k of your base salary goes into it. Then when you consider that in AMERICA couples with two working spouses pay a lot more taxes than couples with one working spouse, sometimes if the other spouse doesn't work, you only end up losing a lot less income than you think. I know it's not for everyone, but when we had a kid my wife quit her job, She was making 40k/year, and with out her added taxes, cutting out one car, and all the other expenses her going to work entailed we ended up only taking home like 10k less. If we had our kid in daycare, we'd have pretty much broken even. Of course we had to dial our life style back, switch to one car, move into a slightly cheaper place, but really financially it was a wash.

That said all of our friends both still work and sort of treat us like charity cases. It's kind of funny. I've bounced through a few jobs since then and I make a bit more, but I think really not having a stranger raise your kids is worth the simpler lifestyle.

Our tax burden is a joke with all the deductions and credits these days. I paid less than 6% of my AGI in Federal Income Tax last year. If you look at total gross, it's almost under 5%.

Financially and personally it's worth it for both of us to work. Sure in certain scenarios it might make sense for a spouse to stay home and raise the kid, but our scenario it didn't.

I know you probably didn't mean anything by it, but the whole 'have a stranger raise your kid' comment is total bullshit. My kids attend a wonderful daycare/pre-school ran by a nice old lady that's been doing it over 40 years. The staff there is great and there is very low turnover, many of them have worked there 10 years or more. She's basically family at this point. The enrichment my kids have had as a result of going to daycare has been nothing but a positive thing in their lives.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


meanieface posted:

It's a school for gifted children. They have a 1:5 teacher:student ratio. I realize I'm throwing money at the place, and I'm okay with that. It's also why I can't/won't take a job that would require us to move--it'd be hard to find another place like this for my kid. She's the reason I went back to school and got a degree, so I could get a better paying job.

Mr. Meanieface is a SAHD until munchkin #2 is 3 1/2, when she'll be old enough to go to school.

Shout-out to all the other goons who live in states where preschool is actually more expensive than college tuition.

You're a loving moron and your kid is going to flunk out of college. HTH.

Edit: She will also have self esteem issues and either be completely codependant or be majorly rebellious and probably a teenage mom. Again, you're a loving moron.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

My tax burden is retardedly high. I should probably start having kids and buying multiple properties or something.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





KillHour posted:

You're a loving moron and your kid is going to flunk out of college. HTH.

Edit: She will also have self esteem issues and either be completely codependant or be majorly rebellious and probably a teenage mom. Again, you're a loving moron.

A girl I briefly dated went to one of the premiere private schools in the country until the last year of high school in which she had to go to public. Whoops that public high school doesn't look so hot on college applications to the best schools.

Lol to anyone that sends their kids to private school unless it's one that more or less guarantees your entry into an Ivy League

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MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
"I just want the best for my kids" is a brilliant bit of implied "I guess you don't love your kids as much as I love mine".

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