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AnonSpore posted:Didn't someone basically write Lord of the Rings over, just changing the names and poo poo a little to avoid copyright issues? Terry Brooks?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Dennis McKiernan? That's the one. Were they any good?
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Apr 5, 2015 05:47
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Data Graham posted:Terry Brooks? Bingo. Maybe instead of doing TWOW, GRRM will write a sequel to the Silmarillion instead. We could be treated to scenes of Dunedain making GBS threads in the wild and long passages featuring Elrond eating various stews and pies. Could be good.
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Apr 5, 2015 05:47
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Terry brooks poo poo wasn't TOO similar, it was just his first book really.
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Apr 5, 2015 06:20
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AnonSpore posted:That's the one. Were they any good? Never read them, but his "Once Upon a Winter's Night" was decent. Not great, but decent.
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Apr 5, 2015 06:34
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SHISHKABOB posted:Terry brooks poo poo wasn't TOO similar, it was just his first book really. Sword of Shannara was definitely LotR with the numbers filed off, down to
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AnonSpore posted:That's the one. Were they any good? I've been trying to remember the name of that author a LOT recently, because the whole thing is just so blatantly ripped off from LotR. I read the omnibus once, at the age of maybe 14, and even thick as I often am about getting books on anything more than the most surface level, even at 14... I realised it was an obvious rip-off of LotR before getting about 1/4 of the way through. THe not-Moria sequence with the not-Balrog is the most obvious bit. Seriously, just read the wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Tower They're poo poo.
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Apr 5, 2015 09:20
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thespaceinvader posted:I've been trying to remember the name of that author a LOT recently, because the whole thing is just so blatantly ripped off from LotR. I read the omnibus once, at the age of maybe 14, and even thick as I often am about getting books on anything more than the most surface level, even at 14... I realised it was an obvious rip-off of LotR before getting about 1/4 of the way through. THe not-Moria sequence with the not-Balrog is the most obvious bit. quote:An unnaturally long and bitter winter has fallen over all of Mithgar That's about one letter away (Mithgard ~ Midgard) from literally being 'middle earth'.
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Apr 5, 2015 12:09
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Data Graham posted:Book series being taken over by others after the original author's death sometimes kindasorta work, usually don't, and almost never retain the same feel. Ruth Plumly Thompson amirite? Same with Eoin Colfer with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Don't know how well Sanderson pulled off Wheel of Time, there's not usually that many complaints.
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Apr 5, 2015 12:33
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Ape Gone Insane posted:Same with Eoin Colfer with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Don't know how well Sanderson pulled off Wheel of Time, there's not usually that many complaints. For the latter there were complaints, but the stuff they thought was written by Sanderson was actually written by Jordan and vice versa.
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Apr 5, 2015 15:08
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Data Graham posted:Book series being taken over by others after the original author's death sometimes kindasorta work, usually don't, and almost never retain the same feel. Ruth Plumly Thompson amirite? Dune. Someone needs to stop Kevin J Anderson from writing any more bad books.
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Apr 5, 2015 19:35
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Dune is especially ridiculous - the KJA/Brian Herbert books outnumber the original Frank Herbert ones 2:1.
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Prolonged Priapism posted:Dune is especially ridiculous - the KJA/Brian Herbert books outnumber the original Frank Herbert ones 2:1. With more on the way. And all of them are terrible.
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i81icu812 posted:With more on the way. And all of them are terrible. What the gently caress is left to write?!?!? On the topic of unlicensed Tolkien sequels, I've been slowly learning Russian so I can finally read this because I hear it's pretty awesome and better than The Last Ringbearer: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Ring_of_Darkness Prolonged Priapism posted:Origin stories for the Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild, and mentat schools, set thousands of years before the events of Dune. Each occupying a full novel. Also apparently some more in-quels that take place between the events of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune? There needs to be a verb for this kind of obsessive expansion on background details. Wookiepeeding? But...but they already covered all that ground during the loving horrible original titan series. They're just going to go back and re-write their existing trashy fanfiction? How does Herbert sleep at night? 
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Origin stories for the Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild, and mentat schools, set thousands of years before the events of Dune. Each occupying a full novel. Also apparently some more in-quels that take place between the events of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune? There needs to be a verb for this kind of obsessive expansion on background details. Wookiepeeding?
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Apr 6, 2015 02:23
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Rime posted:What the gently caress is left to write?!?!? That sir, is some serious dedication and I tip my hat to you. While I have never heard of this story I have free time on my hands and plan to investigate - it looks promising.
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Apr 6, 2015 03:20
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You haven't read Tolkien until you've read it in the original Russian. 
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Thunder Moose posted:That sir, is some serious dedication and I tip my hat to you. While I have never heard of this story I have free time on my hands and plan to investigate - it looks promising. Hopefully this isn't just "And then everything from those books were bad and stupid and racist, surprise!" But I may be biased by the OTHER Russian fanfic.
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computer parts posted:For the latter there were complaints, but the stuff they thought was written by Sanderson was actually written by Jordan and vice versa. Considering how horrible Jordan got after book 6 this is one of the few occasions where almost anyone else could do a better job. I'm pretty sure that if he hadn't died we would be getting ever longer books in perpetuity with less and less plot thread resolution in each successive edition.
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Murgos posted:Considering how horrible Jordan got after book 6 this is one of the few occasions where almost anyone else could do a better job. And instead of plot resolution there would have been barely legal spanking from cover to cover.
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Apr 6, 2015 12:29
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I wonder if any of those novels are as crazy as some of the video game spinoffs, like Gandalf's B-team of FF-X reskins fighting The Eye on top of Barad-Dur.
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Apparently Ring of Darkness was just a personal hobby-project for the author (who also did an undercover Russian translation of LOTR?) that he decided to publish later. Which is hilariously close to how LOTR was written, really. I honestly can't blame the guy. I mean he smuggled his own copies of Two Towers and Return of The King into the Soviet Union; he obviously isn't trying to make a weird hate-piece like that other unofficial sequel. Actually, there's a really good look at how Soviet/Russian book fandom works here. Apparently there's a strong translation scene and, uh, LARPs. SirPhoebos posted:I wonder if any of those novels are as crazy as some of the video game spinoffs, like Gandalf's B-team of FF-X reskins fighting The Eye on top of Barad-Dur. What I've seen so far makes Ring of Darkness sound like solid East-European Gray Fantasy. So like The Witcher or Night Watch with more alcoholic dwarves. There's probably some crazy Russian fanfic if you look far enough.
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Rime posted:But...but they already covered all that ground during the loving horrible original titan series. They're just going to go back and re-write their existing trashy fanfiction? How does Herbert sleep at night? On a big pile of money. Russian TV did an adaptation of The Hobbit way back in 1985. I have no idea the complete fidelity because I can't speak Russian, but, it's, uh... produced within budget, certainly, and they do leave a great deal out (no Battle of the Five Armies, for example). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m0l3Yr1B50
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Rime posted:What the gently caress is left to write?!?!? See by letting KJA dictahike* out a book a year and slapping the DUNE name on the cover the whole extended Herbert clan gets a paycheck. One day they may even get that blockbuster movie adaptation paycheck and life the good life. To be honest, after listening to Brian talk and reading about the odd family dynamics in Dreamer of Dune, getting mad at Brian kinda feels like kicking a puppy. Brian is NOT a good interview: https://vimeo.com/34545393. After 10s of the video, hearing him say that he 'does not fly' is completely unsurprising. From Dreamer of Dune, Frank had a complicated relationship with his kids, Brian turned into an alcoholic and had a shotgun wedding in college. Second son Bruce was gay, which caused a rift with Frank. After Dune is successful and Frank stops bouncing from job to job, his wife is diagnosed with cancer. And then Frank dies of cancer two years after his wife does, leaving Dune 7 unwritten. And then Brian and Kevin embark on their prequel writing and miraculously find a horde of notes and Dune 7 outline that Frank didn't send off to the Fullerton Archive with the rest of his papers. You really have to admire Christopher Tolkien and the way the Tolkien estate has been handled. It's bizarre seeing fairly similar series going in opposite directions. *Seriously, KJA claims to write all his books by dictation while hiking. It explain so much.
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Haha, fairly similar series?
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i81icu812 posted:To be honest, after listening to Brian talk and reading about the odd family dynamics in Dreamer of Dune, getting mad at Brian kinda feels like kicking a puppy. Brian is NOT a good interview: https://vimeo.com/34545393. After 10s of the video, hearing him say that he 'does not fly' is completely unsurprising. Man, the way he says "Frank Herbert" right in the beginning there when talking about the world of the novels... 
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SHISHKABOB posted:Haha, fairly similar series? Both authors had one major genera-defining literary success, an epic spanning multiple books, received to great acclaim in the 60's. Both die with a few years of each other and their estates falls to sons. One son curates the The Silmarillion, The Children of Húrin, Unfinished Tales, etc. The other cedes creative control to Kevin J Anderson to churn out a book a year and leaves his father's notes moldering in an university archive.
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i81icu812 posted:Both authors had one major genera-defining literary success, an epic spanning multiple books, received to great acclaim in the 60's. Both die with a few years of each other and their estates falls to sons. One son curates the The Silmarillion, The Children of Húrin, Unfinished Tales, etc. The other cedes creative control to Kevin J Anderson to churn out a book a year and leaves his father's notes moldering in an university archive. Oh ok yeah, in those ways they are similar.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:On a big pile of money. I suddenly wish that Aleksandr Ptushko had had a chance to make a Hobbit and/or LOTR film.
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SirPhoebos posted:I suddenly wish that Aleksandr Ptushko had had a chance to make a Hobbit and/or LOTR film. For comparison the Finnish Hobbits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koj0V7G46fs (it's about LotR)
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It may have been discussed but what're the tangible differences between the Arkenstone and the Silmarils? I guess the former is just a really nice gem versus the stones that hold the original light of the world, but it seems somewhat implicit that the Arkenstone is somehow related or at least maybe Tolkien had the inspiration from one in the other?
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100YrsofAttitude posted:It may have been discussed but what're the tangible differences between the Arkenstone and the Silmarils? I guess the former is just a really nice gem versus the stones that hold the original light of the world, but it seems somewhat implicit that the Arkenstone is somehow related or at least maybe Tolkien had the inspiration from one in the other? The Arkenstone was explicitly cut (like the way we grind diamonds for jewelry) whereas the Silmarils couldn't be cut or shaped without undoing them entirely. Mortals/evil things holding the Silmarils also get burned because of their holiness which is not a feature of the Arkenstone.
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Hogge Wild posted:For comparison the Finnish Hobbits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koj0V7G46fs (it's about LotR) Oh. My. God. This is LotR meets Hercules/Xena  EDIT: Is Boromir holding a katana?? 
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Apr 9, 2015 21:50
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SirPhoebos posted:EDIT: Is Boromir holding a katana?? Hell yes! 
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100YrsofAttitude posted:It may have been discussed but what're the tangible differences between the Arkenstone and the Silmarils? I guess the former is just a really nice gem versus the stones that hold the original light of the world, but it seems somewhat implicit that the Arkenstone is somehow related or at least maybe Tolkien had the inspiration from one in the other?
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Nessus posted:You may also be getting a bit influenced by the Arkenstone's appearance in the Hobbit films. I gather it did not have an inner radiance - or at least not an explicit one like the Silmarils - in the original text. (Not that it was not an impressive jewel of course.) I was actually just re-reading the Hobbit, and it does seem to have some kind of inner light. Bilbo can see it in the pitch black of the dwarves' hall, and when he approaches it (with only a torch for light), it has a white inner glow. Dunno what that means about its origin or anything like that, though.
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Hogge Wild posted:For comparison the Finnish Hobbits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koj0V7G46fs (it's about LotR) Show, don't tell.
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Athaboros posted:I was actually just re-reading the Hobbit, and it does seem to have some kind of inner light. Bilbo can see it in the pitch black of the dwarves' hall, and when he approaches it (with only a torch for light), it has a white inner glow. Dunno what that means about its origin or anything like that, though. The Arkenstone is an example of Dwarven "magic"- their subtle understanding of the material world, which they use to make the mithril coats and the toys for Bilbo's birthday party and so on. Though they are less learned than Feanor or the golden age of the Noldor (or arguably the height of Moria depending on how we interpret Gimli's song), they nevertheless have some ability to bring out the inner light of gems.
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Thanks for the answers. I'd like to think that the 60's movement of graffitiing 'Frodo Lives' wasn't any of the things Wikipedia describes but rather one of the first major attempts to spoil a book for people.
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