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Trabisnikof posted:I'm against the state giving her a special deal because she's the wife of a cop and because there are people who are more in need than she is who won't get help because they didn't marry a cop. I'm in favor of helping both families of cops and families of not-cops, and until not-cops are helped in equal measure I will tolerate the families of cops being helped as they represent what I believe all families should receive.  white knighting a pregnant woman
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paranoid randroid posted:You should see his grouping down at the bible range. 7.62 centimeter... full leather dustjacket. Y'all there's an entire thread dedicated to cops / criminal justice and this case has been posted about there at great length you can take your slapfight thataway.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:26
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whitey delenda est posted:How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs? Exorcisms? Maybe if someone brings a Bible in Obama's presence before the Secret Service tackles them Obama will melt like the guy from Indian Jones?
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Apr 9, 2015 23:27
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Radbot posted:The only way [I] score ... is by literally removing [agency] from a [woman] to make it ... what [I] want... I hope things turn out okay for the baby, sins of the father and all that jazz.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:27
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm saying that she's only getting help because she married someone in a position of authority. That's hosed up and anti-democratic (even if its common).
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Apr 9, 2015 23:27
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:I hope things turn out okay for the baby, sins of the father and all that jazz. It will, because of Medicaid. Thank goodness for that, huh? Again, the argument isn't helping a woman or not - it's about keeping her on private insurance or letting her use public insurance. Apparently public insurance is literally nothing to some people!
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Apr 9, 2015 23:28
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm saying that she's only getting help because she married someone in a position of authority. That's hosed up and anti-democratic (even if its common). If we had universal healthcare like a civilized country, this wouldn't even be an issue and you wouldn't be making a fool of yourself.
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whitey delenda est posted:How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs? You hold it up and it magically justifies whatever random bullshit you're saying/doing.
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Radbot posted:It will, because of Medicaid. Thank goodness for that, huh? Cancel your health insurance and figure out a new system of insurance and doctors in one month. Oh and be 8 loving months pregnant while doing so.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:30
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I want this pregnant woman to lose her current medical insurance due to the actions of a man. I am a progressive and a feminist
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Radbot posted:It will, because of Medicaid. Thank goodness for that, huh? It's better than nothing, but as someone who's been on both a Cadillac public worker plan and state Medicaid, there's a pretty big difference in flexibility, ease of use and face time with physicians. That little tyke will need all the help he can get, what with his lack of a proper, non-murderous father figure.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I want this pregnant woman to lose her current medical insurance due to the actions of a man. I am a progressive and a feminist The only ethical thing to do is make sure she is treated as poorly as many others. We must treat everyone equally poorly or else the rain god will not bless us with Full Communism Now Radbot posted:It will, because of Medicaid. Thank goodness for that, huh? You still have no idea if she qualifies for medicare or not. It's convenient for your argument to assume that she is, and the last time I pointed this out you accused me of being uncaring towards the poor and challenged me to prove my sincerity.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I want this pregnant woman to lose her current medical insurance due to the actions of a man. I am a progressive and a feminist Actually the 19th Amendment like Obamacare has been a massive mistake.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Cancel your health insurance and figure out a new system of insurance and doctors in one month. Oh and be 8 loving months pregnant while doing so. Or you know, pay your premiums out of pocket. However the impacts of criminals' actions on their families is a tragedy sadly too often repeated. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 23:35
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Popular Thug Drink posted:You still have no idea if she qualifies for medicare or not. It's convenient for your argument to assume that she is, and the last time I pointed this out you accused me of being uncaring towards the poor and challenged me to prove my sincerity. Nope. I pointed out that either she a) has health insurance through her employer, b) was not employed (and will thus be covered under Medicaid as their household income is now zero dollars), or c) eligible for subsidized insurance at the absolute minimum. Either the subsidized insurance or Medicaid would cover any birth related expenses. The question is why you think those options, which even non-murderer's families would face, are somehow worse in this situation. I agree that it's crap that it's so inconvenient to transfer doctors or insurance, though that's not really germane to this discussion.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:36
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:It's better than nothing, but as someone who's been on both a Cadillac public worker plan and state Medicaid, there's a pretty big difference in flexibility, ease of use and face time with physicians. That little tyke will need all the help he can get, what with his lack of a proper, non-murderous father figure. The kid would probably be better off being raised by people who don't require an oppressive police state for their personal comfort.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:42
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Are all the preggos dead yet?
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Apr 9, 2015 23:43
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whitey delenda est posted:How does one "use" a bible? Like... to prop up a wobbly table leg, or maybe to kill bugs? As justification for using your gun. Its right there on the shirt. You'd know that, though, if it was taught in school.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:43
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You forgot d. The mayor personally or the union is covering her COBRA premium
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Apr 9, 2015 23:44
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Radbot posted:I agree that it's crap that it's so inconvenient to transfer doctors or insurance, though that's not really germane to this discussion. The inconvenience of transferring doctors or insurance isn't germane to a 'discussion' about having a pregnant woman transfer doctors and/or insurance?
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Radbot posted:Nope. I pointed out that either she a) has health insurance through her employer, b) was not employed (and will thus be covered under Medicaid as their household income is now zero dollars), or c) eligible for subsidized insurance at the absolute minimum. Either the subsidized insurance or Medicaid would cover any birth related expenses. The question is why you think those options, which even non-murderer's families would face, are somehow worse in this situation. I'm a little amazed that someone could be this flamboyantly liberal and ignore the working poor so hard.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:I'm a little amazed that someone could be this flamboyantly liberal and ignore the working poor so hard. I dunno that's like liberalism 101.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:45
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hobbesmaster posted:You forgot d. The mayor personally or the union is covering her COBRA premium That'd be good to hear. Got a link? I hope the city is providing free mental health services to the victim's family.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I dunno that's like liberalism 101. It's fine, we'll teach them how to code by holding a Code-a-thon. Once that baby puts out its first app it'll be smooth sailing.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:48
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I hope everyone contributing to this derail loses their health insurance.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:50
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I must confess that I care more about how a government governs its state as a whole rather than how it treats any single person. By giving 'charity' to select individuals to cover bad circumstances that they as lawmakers are largely responsible for, it allows a government to ignore the structural problems of its policies. Sorry that I'm concerned about government accountability and am firmly against entrenched double-standards, I guess. That said I believe it is repugnant and regressive to think that a state should be allowed, nay, encouraged to assist whoever the hell it feels like assisting on a person-to-person basis.
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JT Jag posted:I must confess that I care more about how a government governs its state as a whole rather than how it treats any single person. By giving 'charity' to select individuals to cover bad circumstances that they as lawmakers are largely responsible for, it allows a government to ignore the structural problems of its policies. concern yourself about the cop shooting an unarmed man in the back 8 times and not with revoking health insurance from a woman at 8 months pregnant you moron
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How is this even a thing in this thread I used to think Amergin was annoying, but this really just proves you deserve him
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joeburz posted:concern yourself about the cop shooting an unarmed man in the back 8 times and not with revoking health insurance from a woman at 8 months pregnant you moron
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Looks like Rick Santorum's PAC is going to launch it's own network TV crime drama based around ISIS haxing teh gibson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ExyzEhJ_8Q Patriot Voices: Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest [Coming this Fall on ABC]
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Popular Thug Drink posted:I'm a little amazed that someone could be this flamboyantly liberal and ignore the working poor so hard. Hahah what makes you think I'm a flamboyant liberal? And weak troll aside - I'd be interested to hear how that argument ignores the working poor - which this family is not apart of, based on SC police officer income data and SC census data.
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Holy poo poo I honestly thought the city not kicking an 8 months pregnant woman off of her health insurance was an unequivocal Good Thing that everyone could be happy about. Instead there's six pages of arguing as if she's getting free healthcare for life and the baby is getting a free ride to college. What the gently caress is wrong with some of you people?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Holy poo poo I honestly thought the city not kicking an 8 months pregnant woman off of her health insurance was an unequivocal Good Thing that everyone could be happy about. Instead there's six pages of arguing as if she's getting free healthcare for life and the baby is getting a free ride to college.
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Joementum posted:Looks like Rick Santorum's PAC is going to launch it's own network TV crime drama based around ISIS haxing teh gibson. I thought you were being serious for like ten seconds, that is what the current state of US politics has done to me.
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this could all have been prevented if schools had a mandatory life skills course that taught people how to provide their own maternity care
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Dubstep Jesus posted:this could all have been prevented if schools had a mandatory life skills course that taught people how to provide their own maternity care The cop father definitely could have benefited from a life skills course on not murdering minorities.
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