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Effectronica posted:Not omniscient in the sense of absolute perfect knowledge, yes. Only omniscient in the sense of knowing the possible actions we can take and the probabilities we have of taking them. God as Kwisatz Haderach. That's interesting. Sounds rather limiting, and puts god more in the role of massively powerful alien rather than god of all things.
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Disinterested posted:A lot of people wish society would extol more positive values (rather than negative 'you're free to do whatever you want' values) but that doesn't mean they want someone to put the genie back in the bottle re: the sexual revolution or that they want God in any way to be involved. Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics, amongst other things is looking for an alternative. People who read old books and find themselves pining for times where things made more sense. Many people find our current state of "sexual revolution" to be repulsive, and it will always be so. You don't understand how natural it is to be prudish, how much of an active media campaign is necessary to make people go out and embarrass themselves by saying "sex is totally ok, dudes!" The level of degradation people just accept now is absolutely humiliating for our species. As for God, of course people desire God. They desire not only God, but Jesus Christ. Your view that people are just going to stop desiring these things is itself fanciful. The greatest shock for some of you is going to be when some successive generation rebels against their parents by refusing all of their vulgar sexual "liberations". Even the far left has taken to a very anti-sex attitude. Right now, there are huge swaths of people on the Internet, even young people, talking about exactly what I'm talking about. It is natural for them to feel that way in our society, which is essentially dystopian.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics, amongst other things is looking for an alternative. People who read old books and find themselves pining for times where things made more sense. God, I'm looking forward to the right-wing Catholic future where sex is criminalized and we reproduce via test tubes.
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Apr 10, 2015 17:42
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Effectronica posted:God, I'm looking forward to the right-wing Catholic future where sex is criminalized and we reproduce via test tubes. And everything we think, do, or say will be in the pill we took today...
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Apr 10, 2015 17:44
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Kyrie, if there was a Catholic version of ISIS, would you join it?
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Apr 10, 2015 17:45
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics Curious to sneak that one in. Almost as if you don't actually have a moral compass and have to go appealing to gown-wearing pederasts for it.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics, amongst other things is looking for an alternative. People who read old books and find themselves pining for times where things made more sense. Actually there are not many of these people in Western societies and you are engaged in wishful thinking. Or would be, if you weren't a troll. But guess what - either way, the society you want both never existed and even if it did, is never coming back.
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Effectronica posted:God, I'm looking forward to the right-wing Catholic future where sex is criminalized and we reproduce via test tubes.  Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics, amongst other things is looking for an alternative. People who read old books and find themselves pining for times where things made more sense.  Man, you have a very dark and disgusting view on what humanity should be.
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SedanChair posted:Curious to sneak that one in. Almost as if you don't actually have a moral compass and have to go appealing to gown-wearing pederasts for it.
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Effectronica posted:Not omniscient in the sense of absolute perfect knowledge, yes. Only omniscient in the sense of knowing the possible actions we can take and the probabilities we have of taking them. Not the orthodox Christian position.
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Disinterested posted:Not the orthodox Christian position. And far removed from the teaching of Christ.
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Disinterested posted:Not the orthodox Christian position. Sure, but the orthodox position is paradoxical, and it's either ignored and society runs healthily, or it's accepted and people fall into despair and psychosomatic disorders. This at least offers a reconciliation which allows people to have responsibility for their own actions.
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Effectronica posted:it's accepted and people fall into despair and psychosomatic disorders. Errrrrrrr
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Apr 10, 2015 18:00
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics, amongst other things is looking for an alternative. People who read old books and find themselves pining for times where things made more sense. Not only do I not desire Jesus I desire Satan and also pussy and maybe dick if I'm being totally honest with myself
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Effectronica posted:Sure, but the orthodox position is paradoxical, and it's either ignored and society runs healthily, or it's accepted and people fall into despair and psychosomatic disorders. This at least offers a reconciliation which allows people to have responsibility for their own actions. If we want to change the basic definition of god as defined by the OP there is a MUCH more simple solution, isn't there?
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Disinterested posted:Errrrrrrr Look up the prevalence of invalidism among middle-class women in the 19th-century USA, where the idea of predestination reached its apex. The most effective cure was giving them a sense of power over their own lives, and many of them expressed their dissatisfaction in religious terms. Or you could look at the disintegration of society during the Black Death, or the aftermath of the Lisbon earthquake, etc. Bel Shazar posted:If we want to change the basic definition of god as defined by the OP there is a MUCH more simple solution, isn't there? Again, this is a means to reconcile "omniscience" with "free will", instead of discarding either. Ideally, you would discard omniscience, since it is nonessential to the actual meaning of Jesus's message.
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Or you could discard free will since we, you know, don't have it. Or discard both.
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Excuse me I freely chose to like dick
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Who What Now posted:Or you could discard free will since we, you know, don't have it. Or discard both. You won't excuse your posting that easily, guy. ----------------
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gently caress! My perfect plan, foiled again! 
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Kyrie eleison posted:Yes, they would. Modern culture is disgusting and hedonistic, and anyone who values justice and righteousness and aesthetics, amongst other things is looking for an alternative. People who read old books and find themselves pining for times where things made more sense. We aren't really very hedonistic or sexually liberated, Ancient Rome still wins at both of those. Sexual repression is more of a modern idea really, and what you'd call liberation nowadays is merely a rather tame relaxation of some of the hangups introduced in the past oh, maybe 500 years or so? Do tell also what you consider humiliating degradation because I can't actually think of anything commonly accepted which would fit into that category. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Kyrie sure is gonna show that Myrna Minkoff how wrong she is about sex and geometry.
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OwlFancier posted:We aren't really very hedonistic or sexually liberated, Ancient Rome still wins at both of those. Sexual repression is more of a modern idea really, and what you'd call liberation nowadays is merely a rather tame relaxation of some of the hangups introduced in the past oh, maybe 500 years or so?
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OwlFancier posted:We aren't really very hedonistic or sexually liberated, Ancient Rome still wins at both of those. Sexual repression is more of a modern idea really, and what you'd call liberation nowadays is merely a rather tame relaxation of some of the hangups introduced in the past oh, maybe 500 years or so? Ancient Rome wasn't sexually liberated in the least. What they had there was a corruption of sexuality that was a norm in their disgusting masochistic and homophobic culture.
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Well they certainly weren't very equitable in their sex habits but they were much less prudish about the whole thing, and I rather doubt kyrie is especially interested in what the female half of society gets out of sex anyway. Also get the feeling that he would be A-OK with the weird ideas about homosexuality also.
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Nessus posted:Kyrie, if there was a Catholic version of ISIS, would you join it? God that's hot
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Effectronica posted:God, I'm looking forward to the right-wing Catholic future where sex is criminalized and we reproduce via test tubes. 
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PerpetualSelf posted:Ancient Rome wasn't sexually liberated in the least. What they had there was a corruption of sexuality that was a norm in their disgusting masochistic and homophobic culture. But they also genocided the Jews, so there's proof that no one is all bad.
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OwlFancier posted:Well they certainly weren't very equitable in their sex habits but they were much less prudish about the whole thing, and I rather doubt kyrie is especially interested in what the female half of society gets out of sex anyway. Also get the feeling that he would be A-OK with the weird ideas about homosexuality also. No the Romans were super prudish about all sorts of things, just not a few specific things that people are prudish about now. "The Romans weren't prudish at all" is dumb Victorian-era thinking.
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Ancient Romans were a deeply conservative people, with a very complex and to us seemingly contradictory philosophy of propriety of action determined solely by the actions of men. Women exist usually to only be ancillary to men, in all but a few fields. When you read stories of parties and orgies and crass descriptions of loving it usually isn't because its presenting an alien, more open free love but using them as devices that are supposed to appear scandalous to the intended Roman audience. In a way that's why Christianity proved to be so popular. It wasn't some hoodwink imposed on the people but tapped into a wellspring of traditional Roman conceptions obsessed with virtue and chastity in behavior.
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Kyrie eleison posted:God that's hot Blasphemy!
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VitalSigns posted:But they also genocided the Jews, so there's proof that no one is all bad. Um that is a bad thing I do not desire the genocide of anyone.
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PerpetualSelf posted:Um that is a bad thing I do not desire the genocide of anyone. But you said earlier in the thread that Jews should be throwing themselves in front of Israeli rockets to prove they're "one of the good ones" so I'm not sure how you reconcile that with not desiring genocide.
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Effectronica posted:God, I'm looking forward to the right-wing Catholic future where sex is criminalized and we reproduce via test tubes. Actually, the Catholic Church is against IVF. 
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GyroNinja posted:Actually, the Catholic Church is against IVF. Not according to: 
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While acknowledging that the Cyber pope is a good man my Church was never able to accept his reforms.
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did mary magdalene have big titties? i have a need to learn this
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Pastor Perineum posted:did mary magdalene have big titties? i have a need to learn this Xenosaga says yes.
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Pastor Perineum posted:did mary magdalene have big titties? i have a need to learn this do you mean according to the official timeline or the alternate Da Vinci Code canon
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