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The really long bans (the ones until 9999 and 30xx) are iirc for a guy who lobbed death threats at a judge or something and a ring of professional thieves.
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Here's to hoping we get a Pete Rose of Magic: The Gathering out of this PT.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:49
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Zoness posted:The really long bans (the ones until 9999 and 30xx) are iirc for a guy who lobbed death threats at a judge or something and a ring of professional thieves. The guy with the 8000 year ban until 9999 is apparently a store owner who was given the ultimate punishment for breaking street date on a box of Gatecrash. 
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Apr 10, 2015 22:49
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Didn't the guy who threatened to sexually assault Helene Bergeot also get a lifetime ban?
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Apr 10, 2015 22:51
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pakman posted:Here's to hoping we get a Pete Rose of Magic: The Gathering out of this PT. is Tomoharu Saito not close enough? how about Mike Long?
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Apr 10, 2015 22:52
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Zoness posted:The really long bans (the ones until 9999 and 30xx) are iirc for a guy who lobbed death threats at a judge or something and a ring of professional thieves. ocean's 11/11
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Apr 10, 2015 22:53
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/suspended-dci-memberships I would love to hear the story behind this guy: Clearly Excellent 2102400657 2012-10-03 2099-01-01 
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Apr 10, 2015 22:54
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Zoness posted:is Tomoharu Saito not close enough? how about Mike Long? Oh mike long. Isn't he doing money making scams now?
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Apr 10, 2015 22:55
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Angry Grimace posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/content/suspended-dci-memberships Some of those are tournament fraud i.e. fake players used to run fake tournaments to get event promos. Bob Maher Jr actually got in trouble (read: was banned for a while) for something like that when local events would influence someone's dci rating and matter for tiebreaks or quals or something.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:56
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If my meta is full of mouth breathing net deckers like me should I bring GR aggro, esper control, bant heroic, ? I'm expecting a lot of GR aggro. My lists are fully built. I'm going to recommend to my son that he brings Abzan control over mono red
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Apr 10, 2015 23:01
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notbrant posted:If my meta is full of mouth breathing net deckers like me should I bring GR aggro, esper control, bant heroic, ? Depending on the list, GR Aggro dies to Abzan, Control, and G/W Devotion in my experience (I too have a bizarrely G/R aggro-filled meta).
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Apr 10, 2015 23:03
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Barry Shitpeas posted:It was the look-in in round Welp, that sucked.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:10
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I've heard of a similar situation where a LGS had an employee who wanted to go to a GP halfway across the country that nobody else in the area was interested in. They scheduled a GPT during a weekend where there was a PTQ going on nearby, and did not publicize it beyond the minimum required by Wizards. They had about 10 friends show up, pay the $5 entry fee, played a few rounds, and they ended up splitting the prize pool giving the employee the byes. The judge was a L1 who also worked for the store.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:12
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I'm watching the Chapin call thing now, I just go to the infraction and yeah, he clearly put the card with his hand without revealing it, it doesn't matter if it wasn't picked up. Now, an argument could be made (and I think that's what Patrick should have done (or did later? Still watching it) ) that it was clear that it wasn't shuffled in the hand or anything, but it's very flimsy. Yep, looks like that's what the judge is explaining. "You put it in your hand, it clearly implies that."
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Apr 10, 2015 23:20
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So on non-cheating related topics, am I the only one to find draft really boring to watch, or at least the games we're getting on stream right now?
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Apr 10, 2015 23:25
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Fiend Computer posted:So on non-cheating related topics, am I the only one to find draft really boring to watch, or at least the games we're getting on stream right now? No, draft creatures and spells are all really low impact and boring
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Apr 10, 2015 23:28
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Fiend Computer posted:So on non-cheating related topics, am I the only one to find draft really boring to watch, or at least the games we're getting on stream right now? Its about equally as fun to watch, in my estimation.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:31
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Was chat working for the PT stream earlier or was it turned off? Too busy to watch it live so I'm watching the replay. And gently caress even at source quality it looks like jittery poo poo.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:33
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Bugsy posted:Was chat working for the PT stream earlier or was it turned off? Too busy to watch it live so I'm watching the replay. They turned it off a while back, I think a couple of GPs ago.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:34
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I'd rather draft than watch draft, yeah.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:35
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Fiend Computer posted:So on non-cheating related topics, am I the only one to find draft really boring to watch, or at least the games we're getting on stream right now? The thing that makes limited video coverage less compelling to me is they only show you the games. I really like draft videos the way strategy sites do them, because you get to see the entire draft and deckbuilding portion and then see that deck through all its matches. The logistics aren't quite there to do that with a paper draft and it suffers for it in my opinion.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:37
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Angry Grimace posted:Even repeat offenders of straight up cheating don't get lifetime bans, which leads me to believe you'd have to put your opponent in the hospital or something to draw one.
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Apr 10, 2015 23:54
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You know you're on a fragile streak of luck when you win a constructed game on a mull to 3 despite your opponent Thoughtseizing you twice in the first two turns (joke's on him, all I have is land and a useless Stubborn Denial).
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Apr 11, 2015 00:21
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Well good for Chapin not bitching let alone acknowledging the incident on Twitter. If I was him I'd have been pretty annoyed that the cameras were still on me and the audience got to watch the incident. That's still the thing that gets me about it, not that mistakes were made and rules lawyering was done in a high stakes situation; the fact that Wizards didn't have the intelligence to cut away to a Deck Tech and not televise the whole thing.
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Apr 11, 2015 00:44
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Serperoth posted:I'm watching the Chapin call thing now, I just go to the infraction and yeah, he clearly put the card with his hand without revealing it, it doesn't matter if it wasn't picked up. Now, an argument could be made (and I think that's what Patrick should have done (or did later? Still watching it) ) that it was clear that it wasn't shuffled in the hand or anything, but it's very flimsy. It's understandable that he'd be frustrated because of the lack of picking up the cards or shuffling them together. I was a bit surprised that he seemed to be feigning ignorance of the hard-and-fast rule that "it's only gay if the cards touch". That's just about the only tournament rule I know by heart, once the sleeves touch it's in your hand and treated like a drawn card.
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Apr 11, 2015 00:49
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Bugsy posted:Was chat working for the PT stream earlier or was it turned off? Too busy to watch it live so I'm watching the replay. I just caught the stream for a second on mobile. Chat was active.
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Apr 11, 2015 00:52
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Gridlocked posted:Well good for Chapin not bitching let alone acknowledging the incident on Twitter. If I was him I'd have been pretty annoyed that the cameras were still on me and the audience got to watch the incident. We might hear what he has to say about it on his podcast in a week or two.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:It's understandable that he'd be frustrated because of the lack of picking up the cards or shuffling them together. I was a bit surprised that he seemed to be feigning ignorance of the hard-and-fast rule that "it's only gay if the cards touch". That's just about the only tournament rule I know by heart, once the sleeves touch it's in your hand and treated like a drawn card. He did pick up the cards though, they were literally in his hand when the judge steps in
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Apr 11, 2015 00:56
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Barry Shitpeas posted:He did pick up the cards though, they were literally in his hand when the judge steps in I thought that was after his opponent had said like "Um, any plans to reveal?" and he revealed, then picked up. I might have that all totally wrong. edit: nope you're right. he picked them up entirely. MiddleEastBeast fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I thought that was after his opponent had said like "Um, any plans to reveal?" and he revealed, then picked up. I might have that all totally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEfotvoQwU4 Happens at 57:45. He picks up the hand for a second before anyone says anything to him.
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Apr 11, 2015 01:04
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Back, and to the left.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I thought that was after his opponent had said like "Um, any plans to reveal?" and he revealed, then picked up. I might have that all totally wrong. Yeah I just rewatched it. Chapin fiddles with is Ugin and confirms it is on 10 loyalty. Chapin then moves a dice with 1 face up onto his Ajani and says "Looking at the top 4." Chapin draws one at a time and they are angled so the camera can see them revealing a Tasigur, two basic Plains and a Temple of Malady. Chapin moves the Tasigur down partially touching his hand which is laying face down on the table, shuffles the 3 lands and puts them on the bottom of his deck. Chapin grabs his hand and the Tasigur he put face down on partially on his hand and pulls them towards him; as he does so his oppoent clearly says "He has to reveal" and the judge less clearly says "Wait". Chapin replies "Yeah sorry" and flips the card face up; the judge says "Ahhh" and he offers to reveal his whole hand claiming his oppoent already knows the other 2 cards he has. The judge states that as the card was not distinct from Chapins hand and that he picked up all 3 cards at once it is considered a game rule violation for not revealing and thus is a Game Loss, however he also states he is aware that Chapin will appeal and is happy to fetch the head judge immediately; the rest follows. E: his oppoent cuts in while the judge is explaining the ruling and states that he did not already know the other cards in Chapins hand. So yeah it was a mistake on Pats behalf not to flip the card up or reveal it before he put it down, and I am sure at say FNM it wouldn't have been such a big deal; but in this case it is fairly clear the card touched his hand and was being put into his hand without revealing it and the judge was being very astute with the ruling. Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Was it a justifiable call in the sense that "the rules must be upheld at all times to the letter regardless of.. *adjusts monocle and farts a rulebook*!!!" Yes. Is it the kind of rule-mongering that makes tournament magic seem lovely and annoying instead of fun? Yes.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Was it a justifiable call in the sense that "the rules must be upheld at all times to the letter regardless of.. *adjusts monocle and farts a rulebook*!!!" Yes. Is it the kind of rule-mongering that makes tournament magic seem lovely and annoying instead of fun? Yes. Oh I agree, though honestly I don't think the table judge was particularly excited or thrilled that he had to reflex hand out a ruling; in fact I think he was likely doing so because being the last feature match, on turns with everyone watching he was making sure he didn't screw up. And as I said in a LGS FNM match it would have been "Oh it was this one" "Yeah I saw saw you put it down, all good" in this case he had to do it by the book. Really it was one of those "for want of a nail" situations. Had his oppoent spoken up faster it may have been ok, had Pat left the card to the side, had he twirled it around as he put it down; really just a series of unfortunate events in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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When do the PT decklists usually go up? I heard something about a G/W aggro deck from Shuhei on the rebroadcast.
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They release them at the end of the Swiss rounds tomorrow.
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JerryLee posted:Didn't the guy who threatened to sexually assault Helene Bergeot also get a lifetime ban? Yeah. Also this is going back but Chapin didn't sell crack, it was ecstasy. A large portion of the PT at the time were really into the Detroit rave scene. MTG pro history rules.
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How's Strength from the Fallen guy doing? I forgot what his name was.
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The Lord of Hats posted:How's Strength from the Fallen guy doing? I forgot what his name was. 7-1 I think. He's a Lawyer too, apparently.
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It looks like another player got DQ'd at the Pro Tour too. Stephen Speck presented a 53 card deck, and a 22 card sideboard. Tom Martell tweeted "I was shocked to learn that the guy who had 5+ turn 1 Amulet kills at GP Vancouver was DQ'd today for palming his starting 7. Shocked!"
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