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Bushido Brown posted:"I was the first in my class." Ogmius815 posted:See this is what I mean. This isn't even advice it's just a poo poo post. 
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Soothing Vapors posted:I thought you and I were forever We are. Don't tell AR.
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Apr 11, 2015 05:37
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I'll never understand why these little turds get so uppity about being poked fun at. Like, if I walked into a room full of accountants and said, "I'm thinking about becoming an accountant" and they were all like, "Actually, its not what you think it is, lol don't do it" my reaction is like anything except, "gently caress YOU GUYS I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU."
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Apr 11, 2015 05:40
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blarzgh posted:I'll never understand why these little turds get so uppity about being poked fun at. Like, if I walked into a room full of accountants and said, "I'm thinking about becoming an accountant" and they were all like, "Actually, its not what you think it is, lol don't do it" my reaction is like anything except, "gently caress YOU GUYS I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU." also, why they don't go to one of the dozens of other places on the internet where their fellow idiot 0Ls will wrap them up them in a tender, loving embrace and coo gentle reassurances into their ears about how going to the People's College of Law or whatever is a brilliant plan the advice and support you want is out there, tiny 0L! go and find it!
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Apr 11, 2015 05:49
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Kids these days. poo poo.
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Apr 11, 2015 05:54
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Being a lawyer is fun, it's awesome having everyone hate you. My life has become a daily routine of thinking "I'm so hosed how the the gently caress am I going to get through today" as soon as I wake up, then pretending that I'm going to go to the office early to do some poo poo but actually just rush to scoop up my files before I book it to court, then somehow getting through the morning without getting everyone sent to jail forever, then a mad scramble for half an hour as I try to eat lunch and make jail phone calls at the same time, thinking "I'm so hosed how the gently caress am I going to get through this afternoon", somehow getting through the afternoon calendar without getting everyone sent to jail forever, then writing motions and arguing with tomorrow's prosecutor over the phone, then pretending I'm going to do some poo poo like prepare all of my change of plea forms now instead of on Sunday night but actually just zone out for a while before saying gently caress it I'm going home, then finally I get to feel ok about myself for about twenty minutes before I start thinking "I'm so hosed how the gently caress am I going to make it through tomorrow" until I fall asleep. Edit: At the end of the day though, this is the best job I've ever had. Tokelau All Star fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 06:11
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blarzgh posted:The reason what we tell you and what you believe seem so disparate is because you have chosen to believe that practicing law is something that it is not. You're not going to feel "like a lawyer" or be treated "like a lawyer" when you finally pass the bar. Our lives and social status are the same had we chosen any 50 other professions; the primary difference is that we spend all day working with hyper-aggressive, type-A personalities, and/or people who make the kinds of decisions that wind up needing lawyers to fix them. So what is the right reason, by your estimation, to get into practicing law? Honestly I don't give a gently caress about all of that lawyer mystique crap. It's simply something that I'm reasonably sure that I'll be pretty good at and I have an ability to suffer gracefully through bureaucracies and should be able to help some other people out along the way. That's it. There is a specific scholarship program that I am interested in that should have the funding and the prestige I would need to reasonably pull off a career in public service law. Otherwise I'll probably go balls deep into this social work crap. I took a shot at the LSAT and did well enough to get into regional-tier schools so I am looking into it. Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I wanna say that's the third av AR has bought you. I'm going to end up in one or the other. I could likely get into a Tier 1 PhD program, especially after getting a Masters degree. Maybe that's my answer. I could be a mediocre lawyer or an excellent ivory tower academic liberal nutjob. I think it's going to depend entirely on if I get that scholarship or not. Soothing Vapors posted:also, why they don't go to one of the dozens of other places on the internet where their fellow idiot 0Ls will wrap them up them in a tender, loving embrace and coo gentle reassurances into their ears about how going to the People's College of Law or whatever is a brilliant plan Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 06:11
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My job is unironically awesome and the only lawyers I talk to we pay so they are nice to me. Plus I get a pension, civil service, union, living wage and 5.2 weeks of vacation. Also, MCLE exempt. I am stupidly lucky and fell into this by a combination of luck, working for free, working a hard, thankless job, and some light nepotism. Don't go to lawschool, I'm still not sure how I did it. I do work for the evil empire though. In star wars, I get killed on the death star. Edit: I post here for two reasons, to taunt lawyers and tell 0Ls that I'm 1 of 100 from a good law school and for 120k, that is poo poo odds. Also, i sold out so hard I won't list my employer on facebook. Edit2: or move to guam and be happy but underpaid, but I suspect they're not hiring anyone stupid enough to go the lawschool after 2009 or so. nm fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 06:20
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nm posted:My job is unironically awesome and the only lawyers I talk to we pay so they are nice to me.
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Apr 11, 2015 06:30
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Tokelau All Star posted:Being a lawyer is fun, it's awesome having everyone hate you. nm posted:My job is unironically awesome and the only lawyers I talk to we pay so they are nice to me. Plus I get a pension, civil service, union, living wage and 5.2 weeks of vacation. Also, MCLE exempt.
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Apr 11, 2015 06:47
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Well, despite crap-shot odds I'm pretty sure I can make it work. Nice talking to you thread.
Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 06:58
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Ogmius815 posted:See this is what I mean. This isn't even advice it's just a poo poo post. It makes the claims of "it's just tough love man" seem pretty hollow. Law school grades are actually really difficult to predict. Basically, you work your rear end off and hope for the best. There's no huge secret out there to reveal. Take practice tests/past exams if they are available? Study lots? You could still end up in the bottom half of your class. I know people who did. Anecdote: For my corporations exam, I sort of lost momentum and studied a lot less than I should have. I spent a lot of time working with someone who was super-prepared and really loved the class. The night before, I kept asking them questions that they knew all the answers to in the hope of preparing myself a bit better. I got an A, they got a B-. This isn't an attempt at bragging; I know I did not deserve that grade. The point is that it's a loving crapshoot.
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Apr 11, 2015 07:06
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One thing I can say about law school exams: If you can't read, think, and write responsively really, really quickly for three hours in a row without losing your place or slowing down, you will be awful at law school and get bad grades even though you might make an exceptional lawyer. Then you might never get a chance to prove yourself at a real firm, and then you might end up paying back a $200k degree with non-law work and/or lovely contract work, having never realized your "potential."
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Apr 11, 2015 07:09
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I missed nearly an entire semester's worth of law classes due to depression, got my poo poo together enough to walk into an exam with a borrowed outline that I'd received the night before, and got the best grade in the class. There were a lot of smart people in that room who worked harder than me all year and deserved that grade. Vox Nihili is right about it being a crapshoot, and I'd strongly recommend against anyone making bets that they'll rank highly in their class.
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Apr 11, 2015 07:16
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Ogmius815 posted:So just assume that I can't possibly be talked down by you or anyone in this thread. What's the best way to ensure you end up at the top of your class and get a job? Read this thread. Arcturas' posts are particularly good. I'm not particularly useful for your questions because I picked a law school in the days before yearly USNWR rankings, the www and laptops*, and went to law school knowing I had a guaranteed job so long as I could pass the bar in two tries. Things have changed, and I'll defer to those who have done it/ are doing it more recently for what it's like now. There is a bit of a hazing process in this thread; if you can't handle it, you probably can't handle law school, studying for the bar, finding a job or being a lawyer either. Did you take the Dec. LSAT? How'd you do? *My Kaypro II didn't count e: nvm joat mon fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 07:17
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nm posted:Edit2: or move to guam and be happy but underpaid, but I suspect they're not hiring anyone stupid enough to go the lawschool after 2009 or so. Nah it's open to all comers with an apparent preference for the network of one Thomas M. Cooley. The pay scale is not too bad at present but wait until the government runs out of accounting tricks to cover its obligations in a few years. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 07:21
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joat mon posted:Read this thread. Arcturas' post are particularly good. I'm not particularly useful for your questions because I picked a law school in the days before yearly USNWR rankings, the www and laptops*, and went to law school knowing I had a guaranteed job so long as I could pass the bar in two tries. Things have changed, and I'll defer to those who have done it/ are doing it more recently for what it's like now. I just find the hazing irritating. I don't really believe it because I refuse to believe SV gives even passable head. Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 07:23
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Apr 11, 2015 07:29
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Seriously, if someone can't handle a bunch of faceless idiots being mean over the internet there's no way in hell that person is going to handle a judge/senior attorney/angry client (or all at the same time) yelling at them in real life.
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Apr 11, 2015 07:50
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Vox Nihili posted:One thing I can say about law school exams: If you can't read, think, and write responsively really, really quickly for three hours in a row without losing your place or slowing down, you will be awful at law school and get bad grades even though you might make an exceptional lawyer. Then you might never get a chance to prove yourself at a real firm, and then you might end up paying back a $200k degree with non-law work and/or lovely contract work, having never realized your "potential." I think a lot of overachievers think they are going to go to law school, kick rear end, take names, be in the top 10% like they always were and get paid bucks to save pandas and poo poo. If you go to a good law school, your school is full of those assholes. Oh and the valedictorian as gonna be the dude who gets drunk every weekend and appears to do no work. You will be ranked around 50%, which for the record sucks, even at a highly ranked law school. [b] yronic heroism posted:The pay scale is not too bad at present but wait until the government runs out of accounting tricks to cover its obligations in a few years.
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Apr 11, 2015 08:12
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One more fact about law school exams: they are your chance to start the dick-sucking process early. Learn the professor's political positions (they generally make them quite clear) and regurgitate them on either explicit policy questions or questions that could be interpreted to include policy implications and you will generally do better (no guarantee; there is never a guarantee). Alternatively, don't go to law school and you won't have to pay $50k a year to pretend to think an out-of-touch geezer has lifted the veil from your eyes rather than bloviated about the judges he knew and how much money he made and how HIS SPECIAL WAY OF DOING THINGS should guide your life rather than the consensus of all the other experts.
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Apr 11, 2015 08:15
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Vox Nihili posted:One more fact about law school exams: they are your chance to start the dick-sucking process early. Learn the professor's political positions (they generally make them quite clear) and regurgitate them on either explicit policy questions or questions that could be interpreted to include policy implications and you will generally do better (no guarantee; there is never a guarantee). See, I thought I had that for con law and then the fucker asked about some topic he'd never hinted at his political views. If he'd asked about gay marriage, I'd have gotten a solid A, gotten a 2L summer at a firm instead of government, and been a miserable private attorney. Thank you annoying preachy law school professor!
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Apr 11, 2015 08:16
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I wanna say that's the third av AR has bought you. For the record, I designed ghost lawyer. I did not purchase it. As for this one? Pleading the fifth or some poo poo. blarzgh posted:Edit: I'm the Bear Elf IT'S A DWARF, YOU rear end in a top hat. ActusRhesus fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 11:25
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As for our new crop of bright eyed, bushy tailed young would-be lawyers, OK, fine, you want "real advice?" You've actually gotten quite a bit of it. Especially Arcturas's posts. HOWEVER, maybe this wasn't squishy and affirming enough for your millennial sensibilities, so I'll try to add my own tidbits here. Nevermind. It's all tl;dr. Take home point: some of getting hired is your ability. More of it is sheer dumb luck...and spending 100,000s of thousands of dollars on something that will turn on whether you can be luckier than your peers is not a wise investment. Just go to the casino unless you really and truly WANT to be a lawyer. Second point: People keep asking "how can I get good grades?" Again...there is no strategy for this. Invariably, the "gunners" will lose out to some unassuming nerd with a PhD in applied math looking to go into patent law who is just "smarter" than everyone else. Following him will be a handful of super diligent people whose hard work pays off, and an equal number of people who just coast on natural ability. Everyone goes into lawschool thinking they are the smartest most bestest...but you're now in a room where everyone was the smartest most bestest and all of them are competing for a steadily shrinking supply of jobs. All that being said, I can tell you guys really are smart, and have thought all this through. Go to law school! ActusRhesus fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Apr 11, 2015 13:10
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Seriously though, don't go to law school. It's also a service profession. When the money from finance, construction/manufacturing, or the patent system collapses, big law money dries up. When that happens, all those big law folks move to mid law, mid law moves to small law, etc. Or they move to the government. Folks at the bottom get pushed down or out. It happened in 2008. It's never really stopped.
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Apr 11, 2015 14:20
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Anyone wan to she the postal service?LingcodKilla posted:Tons of people have laptops and play league on Wifi but the the barracks on NAS dont have coaxial like half the buildings on Corry Station do.
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Apr 11, 2015 14:23
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Ogmius815 posted:I just find the hazing irritating. I don't really believe it because I refuse to believe SV gives even passable head. Look you little poo poo, I'm fine with you calling me a cyberbully, dismissing my amazing insights, and calling me unfunny. But don't you dare come into this thread, in front of my colleagues, and imply that my dicksucking skills are anything less than exceptional. I have a professional reputation to maintain and I won't have it tarnished by the likes of you
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Apr 11, 2015 14:33
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I started solo, firm now has 3 attorneys. My legal assistant is going to law school in September and I'm debating replacing her with an attorney. Think about that. For 5k more a year than I pay my legal assistant, I can hire an attorney who will be my assistant. Go to law school, get paid nothing but make me money!
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Apr 11, 2015 15:02
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Soothing Vapors posted:Look you little poo poo, I'm fine with you calling me a cyberbully, dismissing my amazing insights, and calling me unfunny. But don't you dare come into this thread, in front of my colleagues, and imply that my dicksucking skills are anything less than exceptional. I have a professional reputation to maintain and I won't have it tarnished by the likes of you He's like a Taint Wizard.
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Apr 11, 2015 15:14
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osirisisdead posted:TLDR If you want to help poor people, law school is like the worst place to start.
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Apr 11, 2015 15:17
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Roger_Mudd posted:I started solo, firm now has 3 attorneys. My legal assistant is going to law school in September and I'm debating replacing her with an attorney. Ok, so this week one of my PI cases I partnered with on another attorney paid out. That attorney has recently hired an associate. And as I go to pick up the check, I talk with the paralegal I worked with about how the associate's working out. She says well, and I say that I'm kind of jealous. Then she said, "Don't be. He has to do all the poo poo work the partner doesn't want to do." She looked at the check she was handing me. "And that's a good chunk of his salary." Lol. Keep in mind I made loving nothing my first two years as a solo. But yaaay PI work!
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Apr 11, 2015 16:27
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Hey I missed all the posts from the jerk but in my county we had a family law judge who also had a MSW, but he lost re-election last November so even the guy who is the best case scenario logical conclusion of a JD/MSW is out of a job. No jobs, die alone, etc.
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Apr 11, 2015 17:21
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Re: writing some things you don't agree with equating to fellatio for favors: loving seriously? That's part and parcel of any interaction with an academic mentor. It's not about acting like they are the font of all that is good and holy, it's about proving that you actually paid attention to their lectures instead of sitting there staring vacantly and daydreaming about that stripper you want to gently caress. In some of my undergraduate classes, I would explicitly cite their class lectures in the papers I handed them. Once I figured out I *could* do silly poo poo like that, life got a hell of a lot easier.
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Apr 11, 2015 17:36
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blarzgh posted:If you want to help poor people, law school is like the worst place to start. Take all the money you would spend on tuition and give it to a poor person, and you will do more good than you likely would were you to go to law school
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Apr 11, 2015 17:36
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Ogmius815 posted:I just find the hazing irritating. Also, what the hell, I'll earnestly respond to the flame: There are many people who are smarter than you. Full stop. There are people at more prestigious institutions who paid less for their degrees than the recent string of 0L posters. They pretty unanimously, and with rare exception, tell people that they should not go to law school. I'm a current student at a decent school (T14; not HYS—only HYS can really be called "good") with a so-so aid package (more than 1/3 of COA covered by scholarships). I got decent grades and have a job lined up after graduation. Despite that, I don't think I'd recommend that people attend law school if they had circumstances identical to mine. I don't cry myself to sleep at night or anything, and I'm still naïve enough to think "hey, I might enjoy this!" But, I often think "wow, there would have been so many ways to go about this that would be better." We'll see what I think once I start working. And yes, this is an area where you can troll people almost unendingly and get earnest responses. People will respond to absurd propositions (like that Cornell with 15k in aid is clearly worth attending) and people will get angry if you don't listen to the basic advice of "please don't go to law school." They don't do that because they're bitter or because they're too stupid to recognize that you're trolling. They respond because they've seen people ruin their lives by going to law school. But please, keep rolling with the funny jokes.
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Apr 11, 2015 17:37
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Take all the money you would spend on tuition and give it to a poor person, and you will do more good than you likely would were you to go to law school lol
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Apr 11, 2015 17:38
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osirisisdead posted:Re: writing some things you don't agree with equating to fellatio for favors: For example, my favorite part of this flame is that someone with a 157 LSAT score would somehow think they're in any way intelligent/that someone would want to read the words they type. Funny jokes. Glad you joined the thread.
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Apr 11, 2015 17:41
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Sick burn, bro. You should go get a hi-five for it.
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He's not wrong though.
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