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In N3, apparently so. I definitely remember an example in the book. Though I can't recall exactly how it works, or if it's a F2F or normal (I think normal, since it can't actually cancel the smoke, just allow you to dodge-move to get out of it).
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Yea, I halfway remember something about an example of dodging smoke, but I sure as heck can't find anything in the rules. Also, is Shinobu Kitsune doing an intuative nanopulser attack from inside smoke as god awful as it seems? She rolls on her WIP 14 and they have a -12 from smoke and TO to shoot back, and if they dodge it is opposed by her WIP 14 roll. I assume if she does it from TO that she also combat camos them too, for a total of -15 to stay at the -12 cap if they are in +3 range band for shooting, and put a -3 on the dodge.
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Apr 12, 2015 06:52
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That'll be a FtF Phys roll -3, but it doesn't cancel the shot.
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Apr 12, 2015 07:01
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In a smoke related question, how does smoke and link teams work? If a link team moves, and a model shoots in ARO against a model that isn't the link leader, and then the link leader throws smoke, are they two normal rolls that don't affect each other, or does throwing smoke being a 'special dodge' mean it somehow counts under dodges applying to the entire link team and not just the link leader?
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Apr 12, 2015 07:27
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I really want Hazmat A1 Specialist, but not the fitly xenos that it comes with. Any goons have ideas? Ebay is always selling the entire pack.
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Apr 12, 2015 07:35
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I think there is a guy on the main forums called Chokonit that has an entire business of splitting up boxes and selling the minis individually and has a long track record of being legit.
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Apr 12, 2015 07:54
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I proxied Teucer today, he seems to suffer from the same problem as Atalanta - Significantly dearer than an Agema Marksman but without a noticeable rise in effectiveness. I kept feeling he'd be a much better package with Marksmanship 1 or 2, not X.
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Apr 12, 2015 08:05
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Cyclomatic posted:I think there is a guy on the main forums called Chokonit that has an entire business of splitting up boxes and selling the minis individually and has a long track record of being legit. I bought some daturazi from this guy. Definatly legit.
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Apr 12, 2015 08:44
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Cyclomatic posted:In a smoke related question, how does smoke and link teams work? Two normal rolls.
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Apr 12, 2015 09:14
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WAR FOOT posted:I proxied Teucer today, he seems to suffer from the same problem as Atalanta - Significantly dearer than an Agema Marksman but without a noticeable rise in effectiveness. Reading Tam's breakdown of Atalanta's costing I suspect that CB overestimates the offensive power of snipers which players tend to use more as a defensive area-denial tool, and thus effects that are basically active-turn-only (MMX and Spotbot) and not very great for snipers are getting hugely overcosted. I wonder what kind of platform could make use out of MMX. My silly suggestion is probably Shotgun + High BS, because if you have BS14 + 6 shotgun + 6 MMX, you have a 35% chance to crit and a very good chance of beating AROs even if it's 1 die versus 1 die. If you're facing a BS11 trooper at +3 Combi range while in cover, you're impossible to beat without a crit if you roll higher than a 4 (they need a 10 to cancel).
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Apr 12, 2015 10:33
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Cyclomatic posted:I think there is a guy on the main forums called Chokonit that has an entire business of splitting up boxes and selling the minis individually and has a long track record of being legit. I've bought quite a few minis from Cho over the years. His communication hasn't always been perfect, but the minis have always gotten to me.
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Apr 12, 2015 15:00
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Yeah Cho is decent, you'll get your stock even if he does forget to mention he's dispatched it.
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Apr 12, 2015 15:36
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Im going to participate in an escalation league. How is this for a trollish 120 pt list? PanOceania - Untitled Roster (120/300 | 1.5/6)Group #1 | 6 Models |  6  0  0  Fusiliers Observer+Repeater | Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater, Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (12) Fusiliers Paramedic | MediKit, Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (12) Fusiliers Combi | Combi Rifle, Pistol / Knife (10) Croc Men Observer+Repeater | Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater, Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines, Pistol / Knife (32) Hexas, Strategic Security Division Spitfire | Spitfire, Pistol / Electric Pulse (1.5 | 30) Akalis E/Mitter | Combi Rifle, E/Mitter, Pistol / E/M CCW (24) Open in MayaNetI might downgrade the FO fusi to a regular one for a not quite obvious LT. DJ Dizzy fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Apr 12, 2015 16:09
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What's the troll? looks a bit standard PanO to me (but order starved).
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Apr 12, 2015 16:10
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3 fusis on the table and nothing else against new players.
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Apr 12, 2015 16:12
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yea bit order starved then.  Give it a go mate, I'm just not seeing it outside of new players going wtf
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Apr 12, 2015 16:14
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DJ Dizzy posted:I might downgrade the FO fusi to a regular one for a not quite obvious LT. Seriously though, IIRC the first stage of an escalation league doesn't use LTs? Also, why not a BS Akal?
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Apr 12, 2015 16:22
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osirisisdead posted:That'll be a FtF Phys roll -3, but it doesn't cancel the shot. The third Fusilier does not have LoF to the Shaolin but, being affected by the Area of Effect, he can react with a Dodge in ARO. He declares Dodge so that, if he passes his Roll, he can move outside the Template. In this situation, the Fusilier must make a Normal PH-3 Roll to Dodge. its a normal roll at PH-3, not a FtF
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Apr 12, 2015 16:45
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DJ Dizzy posted:3 fusis on the table and nothing else against new players. Sounds like a great way to be order starved. I'd dump one of the TO models for extra orders. Being without a visor might also get you into trouble. e: Here's what I'd rather run:  PanOceania────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1   6  0  0 NISSE HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) CROC MAN Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (30) AKAL COMMANDO Combi Rifle / Pistol, E/M CCW. (22) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)1.5 SWC | 116 Points Open with Army 5 Spend the extra 4 points on making stuff FOs or whatever. Doesn't really matter early in an escalation league. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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Cyclomatic posted:Yea, I halfway remember something about an example of dodging smoke, but I sure as heck can't find anything in the rules. you can't Surprise Shot (what you are calling combat camo) and Intuitive Attack at the same time. Your opponent's best bet is to dodge, which would be a FtF roll at PH-3 since they don't have LoF to you. The Kitsune is great at being a massive threat to any multi-wound models, and being super sneaky, but its like a 1/3 chance to deal a wound, and a 2/3 chance nothing happens with the nanopulser. Remember its a tiny template with terrible damage, vs. your MA level 5 25CC (so like 28 if you want, AKA you crit on a 12 or higher with a monofilament CCW). Laphroaig fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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You have convinced me of my errors. Corbeau posted:Sounds like a great way to be order starved. I'd dump one of the TO models for extra orders. Being without a visor might also get you into trouble. Imma change up the nisse HMG for the nisse sniper, because that's what I have.
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DJ Dizzy posted:You have convinced me of my errors. I think the nisse sniper is better in this situation anyway
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Laphroaig posted:you can't Surprise Shot (what you are calling combat camo) and Intuitive Attack at the same time. Your opponent's best bet is to dodge, which would be a FtF roll at PH-3 since they don't have LoF to you. Yea, it isn't the reason you put her on the board, but it isn't a half bad thing she can do if the stars align. Another tool in a toolbox of tools you are taking anyways is always good. Had a game yesterday where there was a bunched up link team where throwing smoke and then spending an order or two nanopulsering them would have been a good idea if I'd thought of it. The real reason she is in my list is to get smoke in JSA. The secondary reason is because if I really need to kill one model she can get it done. The third reason is because if I'm willing to spend the orders she can murder stuff dead with high reliability and low risk. I've been having enough luck going on murder sprees lately that I was putting together some advice for my friend on how to deal with her, and that included going over what she can actually do. Which lead to the nanopulser + smoke observation. The nanopulser always seemed mostly suicidal, or suicidal by Shinobu Kitsune standards. The pulser + smoke combo is OKish (or great if they'll let you pulser an entire link team), and is very low risk for her. I've been having enough fun with her that I want to see if I can figure out a JSA list that spams enough warm bodies that she can have a second dedicated group with an order pool just for her. When she has the orders it is just Solid Snake levels of awesome. Yesterday I put her in hidden deployment on a roof near an objective in a murderous fire line. I wanted the smoke for the fire lane, and as a bonus I could camp out where I expected them to approach the objective using the building. Sure enough Margot and Duroc come creeping in from the board edge and get in position to smoke the objective next turn. Kitsune comes out of hidden and tosses a smoke grenade on the edge of the roof and then crawls over. She then jumps down slices Margot in half and then slices Duroc in half, climbs back up and goes prone. Removing the MRRF's only source of smoke. It cost a lot of orders, but I'd gotten fairly lucky with my linked missile launcher in AROs the pervious turn (nothing like winning a sniper duel with missiles) so I was a bit up and could afford them.
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Laphroaig posted:The third Fusilier does not have LoF to the Shaolin but, being Where is that quote located? p35 »»Troopers affected by a Template Weapon or Equipment can declare Dodge as their second Short Skill or ARO, even if they do not have LoF to the attacker. Dodging an Attack with a Template Weapon usually involves passing a PH Roll. »»However, that Roll becomes a PH-3 Roll in these cases: »»If the trooper affected by the Template Weapon does not have LoF to the attacker. p38 The trooper who declared the Attack compares this Roll against each enemy trooper affected by the Template individually. Each enemy trooper affected by the template resolves his Face to Face Roll with the Template user independent of each other; the Face to Face Roll of one affected enemy trooper does not affect the Face to Face Rolls of the others (See the example below). In order to Dodge an Attack with an Impact Template Weapon, the main target or any other affected trooper can make a Face to Face Roll with their PH (or PH-3 in the cases mentioned under Effects) against the attacker’s Attack Roll. Against an Attack with a Template Weapon that required a Roll to hit—whether it was an Impact Template Weapon or an Intuitive Attack—, each affected enemy may make a separate Face to Face Roll against the attacker.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Pretty sure it's zone of control. It's ghost:servant that has no range limit. Where does its say this? I cant find it anywhere, I've searched Human Sphere and the wiki.
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p 151 in Human Sphere The Remote must be always inside the Zone of Control of its Controller. The Synchronized Remote always disconnects automatically when is out of the Zone of Control, or if the Controller falls Unconscious or Dead. A disconnected Remote stands still and cannot receive Orders or perform AROs. An Immobilized (IMM) Marker must be placed beside the base of a disconnected Remote. The Remote connects automatically, without spending any Order or Short Skill, at the end of the Order in which it is once again inside the Zone of Control of its Controller, or at the end of an Order in which the Controller comes back from the Unconscious state.
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LumberingTroll posted:Where does its say this? I cant find it anywhere, I've searched Human Sphere and the wiki. G:Synchronized quote:The Remote must be always inside the Zone of Control of its Controller. The Synchronized Remote always disconnects automatically when is out of the Zone of Control, or if the Controller falls Unconscious or Dead.
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Well drat guess I didnt look hard enough...
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osirisisdead posted:Where is that quote located? smoke is not an attack with a template weapon, its a special dodge. its a direct quote from the rules for smoke.
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What is the page number? It's not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you.
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osirisisdead posted:What is the page number? It's not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you. the index with the page number of the smoke rules is on page 243, the smoke rules are on page 111, and go gently caress yourself you lazy rear end in a top hat
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Yeah, I'm the lazy rear end in a top hat, who has cited three page numbers just on this page of the thread, in this exchange. I'll make sure to think of you the next time I jerk off, you loving dipshit. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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And thus osirisisdead and Laphroaig had a baby. So, how does ariadna deal wtih achilles. I was playing beginner games and my buddy brought achilles, it was awesome (it was not awesome). Im going to do the switch over to Ariadna and I don't know how to handle ODD or any type of camo.
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Best counter I know to ODD, hands down, is flamers. Achilles can dodge it very well as a reaction, but so what? Keep him dodging, the second he wants to come at you he is going to lose his ODD.
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Flamethrowers and Chain Rifles give zero shits. Not only will the FT take away Achilles' ODD, but when he inevitably kills you in return he'll Frenzy and lose cover.
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Exmond posted:And thus osirisisdead and Laphroaig had a baby. As other poster have said flamethrowers and Chain Rifles and getting to to frenzy so he can't benefit from cover. Don't forget about your mercenary hacker options either, Achilles is heavy infantry and can be hacked getting him immobilized will get you at least one attack order off on him at normal rolls.
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The usual response is to suicide Chasseurs at the problem, but with the template dodging changes I'm not so sure how effective this is anymore. Granted if he's not dodging, he's losing his ODD so it's still a decent-ish plan IMO. I don't play Ariadna at all though so take that advice with a grain a salt, all of my forces have access to MSVs.
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A Briscard link may be a decent option too if you know you'll be playing against rear end.
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Berserk highlanders also work, since they've got a 14 PH, and an AP CCW. Plus you've got chain rifles too, but I think since he can just dodge at PH-3 its not as good as sacrificing highlanders to him. Edit: Read page 100 for the Berserk rule, its the same as N2, but some posters threaten to rape you with their mind in this thread if you don't quote chapter and verse 
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Laphroaig posted:Berserk highlanders also work, since they've got a 14 PH, and an AP CCW. Plus you've got chain rifles too, but I think since he can just dodge at PH-3 its not as good as sacrificing highlanders to him. Edit: Read page 100 for the Berserk rule, its the same as N2, but some posters threaten to rape you with their mind in this thread if you don't quote chapter and verse You offered, baby. 
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